PS3 Graphics capability more powerful than high end PC video cards?

[Charper2013]

Are you retarded or something? Of course a console is far simpler to use. You can just pop the disc in and hit start. With a PC you have to have the correct drivers etc and if your rig isnt up to scratch, the game runs like shite!

Ive done the whole PC gaming thing and it was/is great. But, I got fed up with all the upgrading BS.

You dont like console, big f*cking deal, but some do, so respect their views like they may do yours!

You make a very good point.

 

[digibucc]

Interesting. Its strange, because I still find the 360's graphics to be nicer than the PS3's (as I own both) ... but if the developers are now getting to grips with the CELL, maybe the PS3 will start to outperform the 360.

not really strange at all - you hinted the answer yourself. the only reason any 360 games look any better than any ps3 games , is if the devs don't want to bother with coding for cell. they are making games with a piece of hardware that wasn't even supposed to be in the ps3 , becasue it's "too hard" for them to code the cell processor.

 

[assaulter_99]

Ive done the whole PC gaming thing and it was/is great. But, I got fed up with all the upgrading BS.

You dont like console, big f*cking deal, but some do, so respect their views like they may do yours!

Don't want to be a d*ck but upgrading ain't a big deal if you can settle for mid range gaming. Any system, if you take the right decisions, can handle up for a couple of years. I know a fair amount of gamers that are still gaming with a 8800 (even I, with a 9800) and it still can handle games well. By the time the 8800 will bite the dust with games, another console will be on its way. So your argument is skewed. You don't have to rush and buy all the expensive stuff imho. But like you said, everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[HookeyStreet]

not really strange at all - you hinted the answer yourself. the only reason any 360 games look any better than any ps3 games , is if the devs don't want to bother with coding for cell. they are making games with a piece of hardware that wasn't even supposed to be in the ps3 , becasue it's "too hard" for them to code the cell processor.

Fucked up situation really. I personally, favouring the 360, would LOVE to see the devs unlock the full potential of the PS3's CELL.

But then again, the devs still reckon that the 360's potential hasnt been maxxed out yet.....but like most things, its probably BS

 

[MRCL]

Here is a link (that is in another language ) that compares a few games between Xbox 360 and PS3. Just to take a look.....

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=1589&pk=13209

That "other language" is German The video comparing Dirt2 on PC and XBox 360 mainly says that the PC features much better lighting. At night races, on the PC, every light source throws its light physically correct on the scenery, which itself reflects correct etc. In the 360 version, most of the light sources are just bright dots. Also, thanks to DX11, the PC version has more depth effect.

In the video MW2 PC vs. Console:
PS3 and 360 version are pretty similar; the 360 has a tad bit better lighting.
But they both are outperformed by the PC easily.

 

[TVman]

Are you retarded or something? Of course a console is far simpler to use. You can just pop the disc in and hit start. With a PC you have to have the correct drivers etc and if your rig isnt up to scratch, the game runs like shite!

Ive done the whole PC gaming thing and it was/is great. But, I got fed up with all the upgrading BS.

You dont like console, big f*cking deal, but some do, so respect their views like they may do yours!



Really, I run MW2 on my 42" 1080p LCD TV using my 360 (and PS3) and both look really nice.......but tbh, its been a while since Ive played games on a good gaming PC.....so I dont have anything to compare it to lol

hey there will be no insulting here in TPU:shadedshu if you cant seem to understand simpel sarcasm then that is not a green light for insulting:shadedshu

 

[HookeyStreet]

Don't want to be a d*ck but upgrading ain't a big deal if you can settle for mid range gaming. Any system, if you take the right decisions, can handle up for a couple of years. I know a fair amount of gamers that are still gaming with a 8800 (even I, with a 9800) and it still can handle games well. By the time the 8800 will bite the dust with games, another console will be on its way. So your argument is skewed. You don't have to rush and buy all the expensive stuff imho. But like you said, everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

I totally agree. But Im a sucker and always wanted to me able to MAX every game out lol.....thats why Crysis killed PC gaming for me

I just think that consoles are the smart choice for those guys that cant build/upgrade a PC themselves.....because a console is a no-brainer really lol

hey there will be no insulting here in TPU:shadedshu if you cant seem to understand simpel sarcasm then that is not a green light for insulting:shadedshu

Sorry dude, I thought you were having a pop at me Reading through your post I can see your joking....my bad!

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Are you retarded or something? (...)

Here's some education:

To call something or someone "stupid" is pretty much okay because "stupid" usually defines a controlled word choice, decision or action. Retarded shouldn't be used like the word stupid because "retarded" in it's proper use means mentally challenged. That's when someone is born incapable of understanding like the "rest of us". You should refrain from calling anyone "retarded", especially in public because many people know or take care of someone who didn't choose to be mentally challenged.

Regarding the article, I call it a bunch of BS. We'd figure all the "OMFG Cell is a Supercomputer" rumours would have died by now..
I've seen Uncharted 2 in a 1080p LCD and it's not smoothier than any game at 4xSSAA I can have with my HD5870.
Nonetheless, although console lovers may say it's the best looking game ever (it's not, it's well under the 2.5-year-old Crysis) the game is still crippled when it comes to geometry, texture resolution and lighting quality.
Everyone keeps mentioning the train level as a benchmark for graphics quality but I say "meh.. 1st Crysis level on enthusiast beats this for 5 years".

 

[3volvedcombat]

The reason why people like consoles, is the gaming aspect, there is no need of learning about a whole computers inner workings and haveing to potentually overclock the computer that you would be barly learning to build, then realize that final cost are going to soar to 500-1000 dollars, then in the end the PC dosnt have all the console games, and support.


So people buy the consoles for, easy, quick, buitifal gaming, that flooded with all there freinds on the block, and you dont have to turn into a rocket engineer to get to your gaming 50-32" plasma experience.


I decided to do the PC gaming build instead of another 360 because it was a new hobby for me, and back then when there were 8000 series cards and the best looking game in the world was crysis, i wanted to play that game and be that cool gamer....

Now there isnt really any BETTER LOOKING games coming out other in dx11 games starting to arrise and just for note**

Anybody wanting to trade there dx11 card or cards for my GTX 260's could pm me man .

 

[HookeyStreet]

Here's some education:

I did mean 'stupid', not as in proper mental retardation. But I shouldnt have said it tbh.

 

[digibucc]

so the word "retarded" is basically never ever to be used, under any circumstances?... it's obviously wrong and derogatory to call anyone, mentally challenged or not, a "retard".

but the word can't be associated to anything else, either? I just think it is odd that there are constructed words... things that we made up that we are not allowed to utter, because they upset some people.

I have all the respect in the world for people who take care of the mentally challenged, and have them in their family as I do. But tbh, to disallow the use of the word entirely because it offends some people, while at the same time saying "stupid" is ok.. (there are people who are stupid, and can't help it) is retarded.

sorry for off-topic, this seriously gets to me though.

 

[Animalpak]

Ohh sure can kick the ass of a 5970 yeah yeah ! Ati graphics card owners humiliated ...

... stop please to read spammers

 

[kurosagi01]

You know i find the whole upgrading thing sucks aswell but here i am with a 2 year old CPU and motherboard still kicking in games at high settings just by changing graphics card every year or 2 and i still find every game running perfectly.

is it just me or 360 and PS3 don't use V-sync for their games?? i saw a lot of image tearing or something on Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 on the PS3 and rainbow six vegas on the 360.
I mean come on if the games are capped at 30 FPS or something like that they should at least put V-sync on the console so theres no image tearing or something on the games.

 

[Animalpak]

You know i find the whole upgrading thing sucks aswell but here i am with a 2 year old CPU and motherboard still kicking in games at high settings just by changing graphics card every year or 2 and i still find every game running perfectly.

is it just me or 360 and PS3 don't use V-sync for their games?? i saw a lot of image tearing or something on Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 on the PS3 and rainbow six vegas on the 360.
I mean come on if the games are capped at 30 FPS or something like that they should at least put V-sync on the console so theres no image tearing or something on the games.

Well then I wonder why ATI and Nvidia will squeeze their balls to do blistering performance graphics cards and then all the games are developed with great disappointment only for the filthy consoles ???? WHY ????

Alan wake cancelled and who knows how many other beautiful games follow...

 

[johnnyfiive]

Although like they said most developers aren't even attempting this kind of stuff. I have compared visually my PS3 to my computer.
It was just quite recently Dirt 2 vs Dirt 2.
While there wasn't a huge difference there was a difference. IMO computer was much cleaner looking and ran much smother. As far as AA I had AA turned up to the max on my Computer.....that is when it really took of in visual comparison!

That is just my opinion ..... there is nothing scientific behind it..... it's just what I noticed..... although.... it's good to hear that my PS3 has room to grow and it might be valid for a couple more years.
But if the PS3 is not used to it's capabilities imagine what PS4 will be like

Just so I'm sure on this, you ran Dirt 2 on the PS3 at 1080p right? I just recently got a 52" Sharp Aquos 120Hz LED TV and the value of my PS3 has improved about 200% lol. Blu-Rays look ridiculous, games looks fantastic, every looks absolutely awesome!

 

[Dark_Webster]

Simple.

Do a game for the PS3's RSX with much work. It results on great graphics.

Do a game only for the ATi's RV870 core with much work. It results on OMGWTFBBQ graphics.

Consoles only have one config, PC's have billions of them.

 

[HookeyStreet]

so the word "retarded" is basically never ever to be used, under any circumstances?... it's obviously wrong and derogatory to call anyone, mentally challenged or not, a "retard".

but the word can't be associated to anything else, either? I just think it is odd that there are constructed words... things that we made up that we are not allowed to utter, because they upset some people.

I have all the respect in the world for people who take care of the mentally challenged, and have them in their family as I do. But tbh, to disallow the use of the word entirely because it offends some people, while at the same time saying "stupid" is ok.. (there are people who are stupid, and can't help it) is retarded.

sorry for off-topic, this seriously gets to me though.

The word retard can be used to define someone that has an IQ score under 70.....I didnt mean to say it in a way that would mock people with real retardation (which is very sad)

 

[Solaris17]

Here's some education:



Regarding the article, I call it a bunch of BS. We'd figure all the "OMFG Cell is a Supercomputer" rumours would have died by now..
I've seen Uncharted 2 in a 1080p LCD and it's not smoothier than any game at 4xSSAA I can have with my HD5870.
Nonetheless, although console lovers may say it's the best looking game ever (it's not, it's well under the 2.5-year-old Crysis) the game is still crippled when it comes to geometry, texture resolution and lighting quality.
Everyone keeps mentioning the train level as a benchmark for graphics quality but I say "meh.. 1st Crysis level on enthusiast beats this for 5 years".

they settled it before this post. look 2 posts up. a day late a dollar short and totally unnecessary.

so the word "retarded" is basically never ever to be used, under any circumstances?... it's obviously wrong and derogatory to call anyone, mentally challenged or not, a "retard".

but the word can't be associated to anything else, either? I just think it is odd that there are constructed words... things that we made up that we are not allowed to utter, because they upset some people.

I have all the respect in the world for people who take care of the mentally challenged, and have them in their family as I do. But tbh, to disallow the use of the word entirely because it offends some people, while at the same time saying "stupid" is ok.. (there are people who are stupid, and can't help it) is retarded.

sorry for off-topic, this seriously gets to me though.

actually interesting fact. Did you know that the word retard is still an official used medical term?

 

[KainXS]

You know i find the whole upgrading thing sucks aswell but here i am with a 2 year old CPU and motherboard still kicking in games at high settings just by changing graphics card every year or 2 and i still find every game running perfectly.

is it just me or 360 and PS3 don't use V-sync for their games?? i saw a lot of image tearing or something on Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 on the PS3 and rainbow six vegas on the 360.
I mean come on if the games are capped at 30 FPS or something like that they should at least put V-sync on the console so theres no image tearing or something on the games.

I gotta agree with you, if you know what your doing then you can game on 1 rig for a long time, I have been using my budget pc whenever my main pc was down, its an old GS oced and a E2140 oced and at 1680x1050 its been able to max every game I have thrown at it except crysis and a few others even if some only do get like 38fps in a few titles.

It comes down to how simple you want it I guess, and consoles will always be simpler than pc's

 

[kurosagi01]

Has anyone else apart from animalpak read what i said??

What makes the PS3 and 360 graphics so "fantastic" if it can't even use V-sync to avoid image tearing?? the games are capped at a specific FPS so why not use V-sync to make the graphics even more better since not lot of graphics card on PC that can actually use V-sync and keep a steady FPS.

 

[theonedub]

wanna know why,

modern warfare 2 on 360 and ps3 are rendered by both consoles at 1024x600 meaning the game is upscaled to 720p on a 720p tv and if you have a tv which dosen't upscale well it will look like shit, and even if you had a good one it would still be noticeable, I haven't even tried to play that game at 1080p yet though. . . . . but I know on my 360 the game plays choppy at times. even at 1024x600.

This is all sorts of wrong. The consoles do the scaling and will output a 720p, 1080i, 1080P picture depending on the settings. The TV is not responsible for upscaling the picture from the rendering resolution (I believe the PS3 does it in software, the 360 has a dedicated scaler chip).

 

[3volvedcombat]

For what i see it matters in tast.

The actual resolution consoles play there games at very very low resolution, and the Frames per seconds on the low resolution games can hit below 30 sometimes in some titles. Some people dont mind having low FPS in there console games and i know everybody in my school(neighborhood) dosnt relize the full smoothness of 100+ fps in a game like us PC gamers do, or if there getting low frames or not.


If i remember right a 360 plays there titles at 760 X 4## or something of that sort and the ps3 does about the same to. Its amazing how a low resolution video game from a 360 or ps3 could look so smooth on a TV.

But play a game over 100 or at 80-100 fps makes the particals razor smooth, you cant notice any framing, and for the fps shooter fanatic, its great if you make tight turns to do headshots.

When it comes to gaming in a fps shooter mouses win over controllers, and ive had the argument with 10 prestiged cod4 mw2 veterns over and over, but i know in the end, my skills would litteraly flat out confuse someone in seconds. Im pretty good with my hand to mouse cordination if you know what i mean .

 

[Fourstaff]

I don't like consoles. It slows down the development on the visual front, giving us only shitty looking games with low optimisation levels because it is easy to earn money through consoles.

 

[KainXS]

This is all sorts of wrong. The consoles do the scaling and will output a 720p, 1080i, 1080P picture depending on the settings. The TV is not responsible for upscaling the picture from the rendering resolution (I believe the PS3 does it in software, the 360 has a dedicated scaler chip).

your right lol the 360 upscales rendered video in by the xenos itself

the ps3 i don't know about.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

so the word "retarded" is basically never ever to be used, under any circumstances?... it's obviously wrong and derogatory to call anyone, mentally challenged or not, a "retard".

but the word can't be associated to anything else, either? I just think it is odd that there are constructed words... things that we made up that we are not allowed to utter, because they upset some people.

I have all the respect in the world for people who take care of the mentally challenged, and have them in their family as I do. But tbh, to disallow the use of the word entirely because it offends some people, while at the same time saying "stupid" is ok.. (there are people who are stupid, and can't help it) is retarded.

sorry for off-topic, this seriously gets to me though.

"Mentally Retarded" is the medical term, "Mentally Challenged" is not.
Calling someone "stupid" means he was distracted, or wasn't thinking right, or just wasn't thinking the way you wanted to.
Being stupid is temporary, it's a "choice". Generally speaking, the person stops being stupid if she corrects her mistakes.

Being retarded isn't a choice, it's a medical condition, usually a limitation without a cure.
Therefore, it's wrong to insult someone as being retarded, the same way no one ever insults a paraplaegic for not being able to walk.

The problem is that someone somewhere started to use "retarded" as "stupid", and other ignorant people started doing the same.

It's not that you should stop using retarded to call someone stupid, it's just that no one should have ever started doing that. Therefore, it should be corrected.
Don't see it as social censorship but rather as social development.

Just so I'm sure on this, you ran Dirt 2 on the PS3 at 1080p right? I just recently got a 52" Sharp Aquos 120Hz LED TV and the value of my PS3 has improved about 200% lol. Blu-Rays look ridiculous, games looks fantastic, every looks absolutely awesome!

Almost all 1080p supported games are actually rendered at 720p and then upscaled through post-processing.
If people sit 20 feet away from the TV, they won't notice it. But if you play the same game in a 24" LCD monitor 2 feet away from it, there's a huge difference between upscaled 720p and actual 1080p (which all PC games can do, of course).

they settled it before this post. look 2 posts up. a day late a dollar short and totally unnecessary.

I was referring to the erroneous use of the word "retarded". I never had no interest at all in their quarrel. Had you read my post, you'd understand it.