Assassins Creed 2 only supports DX9

[Goodman]

“To be honest, if PC wasn’t pirated to hell and back, there’d probably be a PC version coming out the same day as the other two,” he said, talking of the voice-controlled RTS."

“But at the moment, if you release the PC version, essentially what you’re doing is letting people have a free version that they rip off instead of a purchased version. Piracy’s basically killing PC.”

“Yeah, at the time of release,” he said. “You know, the level of piracy that you get with the PC just cannibalizes the others, because people just steal that version.”

What a stupid thing to say...
Yeah! like no console get hack...
The more console there is out there the more console will get hack with pirated games & so on , same as PC...

 

[EastCoasthandle]

It does more than show I disagree, it shows that I'm right and so is the developer, and you are wrong...

The methods used to show that you disagree (strawman, ad hominem, etc) does not necessitate that you are right .

“To be honest, if PC wasn’t pirated to hell and back, there’d probably be a PC version coming out the same day as the other two,” he said, talking of the voice-controlled RTS."

“But at the moment, if you release the PC version, essentially what you’re doing is letting people have a free version that they rip off instead of a purchased version. Piracy’s basically killing PC.”

“Yeah, at the time of release,” he said. “You know, the level of piracy that you get with the PC just cannibalizes the others, because people just steal that version.”


This pisses me off. I love how they lump in all PC gamers into the same mold. Using that excuse as to why they are treating the PC community will get no sympathy from PC users. I doubt a game like Bad Company 2 will be pirated to hell and back on PC. You'll get pirates that will dl the Single Player, but it'll still pretty well on PC.

There are a few inconsistencies making it peculiar to say the least.

 

[newtekie1]

What a stupid thing to say...
Yeah! like no console get hack...
The more console there is out there the more console will get hack with pirated games & so on same as PC...

That depends on the console. In general though, it is much harder to pirate on consoles than on PCs. Consoles usually require a hardware modification to handle pirated games, while PCs do not. And in the case of the PS3, I don't believe there is even a way to play pirated games yet.

The PC game developers are kind of between a rock and hard place, it is no wonder fewer and fewer game developers want to release games on the PC. If they use strict anti-piracy techniques, then they are reamed by the gamer community for it, if they use less strict techniques, the game is usually pirated within minutes of release and game sales suffer greatly.

The methods used to show that you disagree (strawman, ad hominem, etc) does not necessitate that you are right .

No, the fact that I'm right shows that I'm right. Even your edited original post is still wrong. They are catering to DX9 gamers, which is 41.56% of the market(be it hardware or software limitations, that is the number). That is a huge number of gamers to ignore by focussing on a DX10 renderng path and dropping DX9. Now if the other 48% with DX10/11 GPUs with Vista/Win7 have to suffer with slightly worse graphics because they have to play the game in DX9, I say too bad, it isn't something to make a big deal out of.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

The methods used to show that you disagree (strawman, ad hominem, etc) does not necessitate that you are right .

No, the fact that I'm right shows that I'm right.

Now you are arguing just to argue

In any case I find no justified reason not to support APIs other then just DX9. When they were able to do so in the 1st game. To me it's a step backwards regardless of their time restrict claims.

 

[D007]

I'll be happy as long as i can enable AA.
DX9 and DX10 offer to little difference for me to care anyway.

Long as it doesn't pull a bioshock 2 on me, I'm happy.
AC 1 was pretty, but EXTREMELY repetitious.
I hope 2 works on that.

Maybe they did it because DX10 is already obsolete? lol..
Hello dx11.
and in 2 more months after dx11.
let's all welcome dx 11.1..lol..

 

[Goodman]

-->newtekei1

Google it you'll see the PS3 as bean hack...

Everything can be hack it's only a matter of time & nothing is 100% safe never will be...

That is why i'll never shop on line

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Google it you'll see the PS3 as bean hack...

Everything can be hack it's only a matter of time & nothing is 100% safe never will be...

People should know by now that console games get hacked or simply made available well in advance of the release date. It's been proven with games like MW2 when it was posted on youtube (before it was pulled).

 

[newtekie1]

Now you are arguing just to argue

In any case I find no justified reason not to support APIs other then just DX9. When they were able to do so in the 1st game. To me it's a step backwards regardless of their time restrict claims.

If you find no justified reason, then you didn't read the article, or have no concept of budget(both time and money wise).

Budgets aside, I actually like what they've done. I'd much rather see one nicely optimized rendering patch, even if it is the older DX9, instead of three very poorly optimized rendering paths just so the game can say it is DX10/11 which is saddly all to often the case these days...especially with console ports...

Google it you'll see the PS3 as bean hack...

Everything can be hack it's only a matter of time & nothing is 100% safe never will be...

That is why i'll never shop on line

Yes, a week or two ago, finally. Of course there has been nothing useful from it yet, and they are still a long ways off from being at the point where the hack can be used for piracy.

 

[Black Panther]

AC2 will ..... support DX9 only.

*falls flat on face*

Downgrading graphics?

AC had been DX10 (and had no issues at all in running @ DX10... so... ) why retrograde to DX9?
And there I was wishfully thinking AC2 was to be DX11... :shadedshu

 

[EastCoasthandle]

If you find no justified reason, then you didn't read the article, or have no concept of budget(both time and money wise).

Budgets aside, I actually like what they've done. I'd much rather see one nicely optimized rendering patch, even if it is the older DX9, instead of three very poorly optimized rendering paths just so the game can say it is DX10/11 which is saddly all to often the case these days...especially with console ports...

Again another strawman's arguement. . This is down right halarious and I am throughly entertained, thanks!

*falls flat on face*

Downgrading graphics?

AC had been DX10 (and had no issues at all in running @ DX10... so... ) why retrograde to DX9?
And there I was wishfully thinking AC2 was to be DX11... :shadedshu

My thoughts exactly. It makes no sense for them to only use DX9 when the previous game included DX10/DX10.1. But wait, their 40% claims were in the high 70% when AC was released with DX10/1DX10.1 support, whoopsie! LOL

 

[TRIPTEX_CAN]

I stopped played Ubisoft games a long time ago. Their games aren't even worth the bandwidth.

 

[newtekie1]

Again another strawman's arguement. . This is down right halarious and I am throughly entertained, thanks!


My thoughts exactly. It makes no sense for them to only use DX9 when the previous game used DX10/DX10.1.

*sigh*

First, it is straw man, two words...

Second, my arguments are not straw man based, as to be straw man based, I would have to be basing them on a misrepresentation of your argument, which I am not. I'm basing them on your argument specifically. Your arguments directly stated that you believe they are "ignoring a much larger of percentage of gamers who do have a video card capable of more then just DX9".

Third, it actually does make sense from a business and developer standpoint, as I've already explained. And while I would have certainly liked to see DX10 implemented in the game, if it comes at the overall cost of poor optimizations in both DX10 and DX9, I don't care for it. When the decision basically comes down to having DX10 and DX9, but the game runs like shit in both(Crysis style) or having only DX9 with a game that still looks very good and runs very well...I'll take DX9 only.

 

[assaulter_99]

Again another strawman's arguement. . This is down right halarious and I am throughly entertained, thanks!


My thoughts exactly. It makes no sense for them to only use DX9 when the previous game included DX10/DX10.1. But wait, their 40% claims were in the high 70% when AC was released with DX10/1DX10.1 support, whoopsie! LOL

*sigh*

First, it is straw man, two words...

Second, my arguments are not straw man based, as to be straw man based, I would have to be basing them on a misrepresentation of your argument, which I am not. I'm basing them on your argument specifically. Your arguments directly stated that you believe they are "ignoring a much larger of percentage of gamers who do have a video card capable of more then just DX9".

Third, it actually does make sense from a business and developer standpoint, as I've already explained. And while I would have certainly liked to see DX10 implemented in the game, if it comes at the overall cost of poor optimizations in both DX10 and DX9, I don't care for it.

Its getting funny seeing you two get a go at each other!

 

[EastCoasthandle]

*sigh*

First, it is straw man, two words...

Second, my arguments are not straw man based, as to be straw man based, I would have to be basing them on a misrepresentation of your argument, which I am not. I'm basing them on your argument specifically. Your arguments directly stated that you believe they are "ignoring a much larger of percentage of gamers who do have a video card capable of more then just DX9".

Third, it actually does make sense from a business and developer standpoint, as I've already explained. And while I would have certainly liked to see DX10 implemented in the game, if it comes at the overall cost of poor optimizations in both DX10 and DX9, I don't care for it. When the decision basically comes down to having DX10 and DX9, but the game runs like shit in both(Crysis style) or having only DX9 with a game that still looks very good and runs very well...I'll take DX9 only.

Actually it is a strawman's argument as you are suggesting/posting claims I've not made or implied inwhich you've argued. Which is why for the most part I've ignored you on it. Although that frustrated you (do to your "I'm right responses) it's clear that I do not have to argue with you about it either. Now that you insist on derailing the thread with such a trival matter your are borderline trolling.

As you can see I'm not the only one in this thread who has a negative perception of their decision(s) with this game. Because of that entitlement doesn't make you right because you disagree. There, I hope that clears things up for you
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Really, where have I suggested/posted claims that you haven't made?

This is simply an attempt to get me to entertain your strawman's argument and nothing more. If you are unsure of anything I've posted you are free to re-review them.
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Back at the ranch, it doesn't make any kind of sense that this game doesn't include API other then DX9. If Steam's survey showed that XP users were in the high 60% range when AC was release including DX10/DX10.1 it becomes specious and nonsensical to care about it when it's at 40%. Which clearly shows a decline.

 

[newtekie1]

Actually it is a strawman's argument as you are suggesting/posting claims I've not made and argued them. Which is why for the most part I've ignored you on it. Although that frustrated you (do to your "I'm right responses) it's clear that I do not have to argue with you about it either. Now that you insist on derailing the thread with such a trival matter your are borderline trolling.

As you can see I'm not the only one in this thread who has a negative perception of their decision(s) with this game.

Really, where have I suggested/posted claims that you haven't made?

 

[EastCoasthandle]

They are claiming that IQ is better. Where are the PC screen shots? I want to see this.

 

[D007]

lol.. I have to say it does seem true.
we end up with a lot of poorly optimized games that run in mutliple dx modes.
crysis for example would be a nice one I believe.

The thing I think they don't like to admit is that dx10 and 10.1 were both apparently flawed and required a new version.
Making dx10 games at this point would make things much more difficult having to cater to 9 and 11.
not to mention in a year or 2, people might buy these dx10 games and find they have a new card that supports dx11 but not dx10?
Maybe even a new operating system by then at this rate as well.
maybe it'll be no longer supported? lol..
hell if I know, but I doubt nothing.

Maybe dx10 is just badly written and optimized and required scrapping.
I don't doubt it at all, with all of the new graphical advancements.
their moving to fast to keep up with their own hardware.

 

[MK4512]

-->newtekei1

Google it you'll see the PS3 as bean hack...

Everything can be hack it's only a matter of time & nothing is 100% safe never will be...

That is why i'll never shop on line

I'm assuming you're alluding to Geohot's PS3 hack. That hack required alot of hardware, and alot of work. At this time, he still can't run programs on it, only bypass the PS3's security code (this does NOT mean that he is anywhere close to running backups on it, and he has no plans to) in time, this might mean that we will be able to run homebrew, but I think it will be awhile before we can run (legal) backups.

Ontopic: No DX10? Boo!

 

[zithe]

Obviously delaying it doesn't do jack for preventing piracy as PC torrents are available before it's released on any platform.

 

[js01]

Assasins's Creed 2 DRM reviewed, it looks like you'll get kicked from your game if your connection is lost during a game including your progress.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235290&site=pcg

 

[Polarman]

Draconian DRM measures from Ubisoft are overkill.

Here's how PC Gamer described its test:

The game first starts the Ubisoft Game Launcher, which checks for updates. If you try to launch the game when you're not online, you hit an error message right away. So I tried a different test: start the game while online, play a little, then unplug my net cable. This is the same as what happens if your net connection drops momentarily, your router is rebooted, or the game loses its connection to Ubisoft's 'Master servers'. The game stopped, and I was dumped back to a menu screen - all my progress since it last autosaved was lost.

Ubisoft can say goodbye to PC based fan in the future.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

WOW
So this is an online single player game only :shadedshu. I wonder if they plan on streaming adverts since you have to maintain an internet connection.

 

[js01]

I think a rental on my Xbox is now in order, I was trying to hold out for the PC version but I'm not going to deal with that stuff.

 

[a_ump]

meh, i don't see the big deal with it only being dx9. I mean CoD:MW2(all i have to reference from xp) is dx9 and its graphics look really good imo. Obviously not the best but it definitely looks just as good as some dx10 titles out there. I personally think dx10 is a waste as no dev seems to have used it to its potential and only half ass it. drop dx10 imo, dx9 for now and dx11 only in the future since it's supposed to only require 1 render path but support 9-11 dx anyways.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I would have been impressed if they did a DX9 and DX11 version of this game.