Apple Displaces Microsoft as Biggest Technology Company

[1Kurgan1]

have seen good Mac labs, and good PC labs. I have seen bad mac labs, and bad PC labs. I have seen good cars wrecked, I have seen bad cars wrecked.

All platforms, os x, linux, windows, are equally capable, and have strengths and weaknesses of their own. It all comes down to the driver(USER), their preference, skill, and usability style. Someone skilled in XX operating system/hardware platform can make a network, game, or program run effectively. Especially quoting a platform that has recently been ported, and is still immature, yet making very very quick and progressive strides to being equal and/or superior in ways.

I've only managed to see one bring the average IQ of post contribution from hate drop to an average of three though. Please keep arguments justified, and information based as a whole. Blind bashing really gets old.

I've seen a man pop his eyeball 12mm out of its socket, then reseat it. That doesn't mean every man can do that. If you think all the OS's are equal, you sir are crazy. They just aren't yes, they each have their own uses. But for your average user, OS X just isn't a desired setup, infact, I really can't think of many things it is better at, and I don't even want to hear for graphic design purposes, because thats what I am going to college for, and I prefer to use the Adobe Suite on my PC.

Most in here are saying what they feel, and I don't see any of it being wrong. We aren't a small group of people in the same area with this opinion, I see people in here from the US to Australia, all with the basic same feeling on the Mac strategy. I would say the feeling is pretty global, unless your a Machead, then of coarse you are better than us, I apologize and bow before you and your superior IQ as you have already stated, I am sorry master.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I've seen a man pop his eyeball 12mm out of its socket, then reseat it. That doesn't mean every man can do that. If you think all the OS's are equal, you sir are crazy. They just aren't yes, they each have their own uses. But for your average user, OS X just isn't a desired setup, infact, I really can't think of many things it is better at, and I don't even want to hear for graphic design purposes, because thats what I am going to college for, and I prefer to use the Adobe Suite on my PC.

Most in here are saying what they feel, and I don't see any of it being wrong. We aren't a small group of people in the same area with this opinion, I see people in here from the US to Australia, all with the basic same feeling on the Mac strategy. I would say the feeling is pretty global, unless your a Machead, then of coarse you are better than us, I apologize and bow before you and your superior IQ as you have already stated, I am sorry master.

I was speaking in terms of the average post quality. 90% of posts turn into a "DIE APPLE DIE YOU SUCK" blind hatred, when infact, its one of the most successful businesses in history. They contribute no content to the thread.

I'm also curious how you see OS X as not being a desired setup for the average user. Enthusiasts are not the average user. they are a minority of users. Being a power user of OS X, Windows and Linux, I dont really see what it ISNT good at. The only pro-windows argument in existence is games, hardware diversity. Photoshop is essentially identical, and Autocad is in Beta for OS X. OS X provides a more reliable, consistent user experience. You prefering Photoshop on PC Vs Mac is a personal preference. I prefer using Photoshop on my macbook pro, because when I'm multi-tasking, and navigating for files, it's significantly faster for me. Again, 100% preference. The technical difference is nonexistant when Job A gets done all the same.

The public, is what i would consider the "average user", and seeing as apple has gone from being essentially worthless at $50/share to over microsofts net worth, IMO, the public has spoken.

 

[EaGle1337]

The whole macs are the only computer used in the design industry is a complete lie. I've been in the industry and pcs were used just as much. Now about ipods, I personally think they are garbage same goes with itunes. I've had 4 ipods none have lasted over a year, and the lets plug it into another computer and #$%^ it synced. My sans clip+ and sony e340 have gone through pletny of abuse such as it being dropped, falling into water, and both are still working perfectly. Compare that to my ipods which never were dropped, and never had a water splash.

 

[Champ]

proof that overpriced hardware sells if you slap a nice badge on it.

My friend works at best buy and he sells so many of their $1300 and up laptops:shadedshu.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

The whole macs are the only computer used in the design industry is a complete lie. I've been in the industry and pcs were used just as much. Now about ipods, I personally think they are garbage same goes with itunes. I've had 4 ipods none have lasted over a year, and the lets plug it into another computer and #$%^ it synced. My sans clip+ and sony e340 have gone through pletny of abuse such as it being dropped, falling into water, and both are still working perfectly. Compare that to my ipods which never were dropped, and never had a water splash.

This is your experience, but Ive had nothing but excellent luck with my ipods. Infact, my friend ran over his iphone twice with his car on accident, but since otter boxes are totally awesome, it doesnt even have a scratch. My iPhone lasted 2.5 years(which got upgraded before failure), my 3gs is going on a year, my ipod touch is still in tip top shape, and its a rev 1. My iPod shuffle is going on 4 years now.

Durability is all in the user. Ive noticed people treat elecronics extremely different from person to person. I've had sony/iriver/samsung stuff that fell apart when I looked at is funny too. Especially when it comes to phones.

Protect your devices well, and durability is a nonissue. My 3GS is still in as new condition, because it not only has a screen protector, but went from its original box directly into my Otter box. It is the definition of Pristine. It has been through 15-20 military field exercises, gone to the range with me, and has always been in my pocket.

 

[OneCool]

Theres room for 2



I wonder how much Linux made last year
They deserve it more than MS or Apple!


Ubuntu creators should be billionaires by now!!!

 

[kid41212003]

I can't believe Photoshop works better/faster on a laptop with no-whatsoever GPU support.

 

[3volvedcombat]

This Is so funny to hear the most terrible kill apple rants in the world. Apple got up there purely due to there ipods and iphones, and ipad. I have not seen anything in the market perform as well as they do, have support like apple provides for those segments, and be so easy to use.

Ipad- which most people say is a joke, is slowly for my opinion sense im using one turning into one beast of hardware. Its so dam smooth, and before you know it there are going to be apps, cracks, hacks, and more stuff to come thatll take a ipad into even deeper awesome territory.

Frankly there laptops-desktops-netbooks suck, well there perfect, but overpriced, over slimmed, and over simplified.

There Mp3 and phone/pad market is decimating though, these things are beast to me and i love my iphone for just how dependable and easy it should be to use. Yeh there are other phones, but my iphone is still alive, has still has support, and my freinds previous "badass" touch screen phones and black berry'es have died, broke, and lost support.

Pretty obvious..

but PC ALL the way!, and people that mention stuff like starbucks, skinny jeans, and relating them to apple are basicly num nuts missing out on life. I mean your trying not to be shallow, but in all actuality being Supremely SHALLOW hahhahahah.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I can't believe Photoshop works better/faster on a laptop with no-whatsoever GPU support.

Photoshop has GPU support on mac and windows. they are on equal footing support wise.

look at the steam to mac thing... every game they ported is many years old, yet still runs like crap and looks far worse than PC.

ORLY?

Mac HL2 vs PC HL2.

9600GT Vs Radeon 5850, 1440x900, default mac settings, and whatever I had set up last time I played HL2 on my PC as.

Direct X is overrated.

 

[Cheeseball]

I can't believe Photoshop works better/faster on a laptop with no-whatsoever GPU support.

Photoshop/Premiere works well on a Mac because most Macs nowadays have NVIDIA video cards. CS4 uses OpenGL 3.2 and CS5 utilizes CUDA for acceleration and video processing.

 

[kid41212003]

Look again, the only consumer card (not workstation) that Photoshop support is GTX285.

I was quoting Dippy, 'cause he said Photoshop worked faster on his Macbook Pro which has a 9600GT or something.

 

[Cheeseball]

No, Photoshop supports any NVIDIA card that can run OpenGL 3.2 applications and/or CUDA, which includes the 9600GT/9600M GT.

 

[department76]

apple can thank gaypods, and the wide-spread industry adoption of said gaypods, for their existence today.


:shadedshu

 

[wolf]

ORLY?

Mac HL2 vs PC HL2.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/414/macvspchl2.jpg




9600GT Vs Radeon 5850, 1440x900, default mac settings, and whatever I had set up last time I played HL2 on my PC as.

Ya Rly, I reckon the PC side looks better, and consequently probably plays at a higher FPS which for any true PC gamer (and TPU member alike) is desirable.

I personally Own an iphone and have used mac's many times while studying (especially video/sound editing) and I can tell you for sure, these mac's don't do anything a PC can't do. More than that I bet a PC for the same cost outright would do it better.

It really annoys me that mac is trying to sell a lifestyle, but on the same token that marketing works for them, and they have hordes of mac-loving fruits who don't miss a single opportunity to rub its perceived superiority over you.

 

[Cheeseball]

apple can thank gaypods, and the wide-spread industry adoption of said gaypods, for their existence today.


:shadedshu

LOL, someone's being bitter and shallow.

 

[1Kurgan1]

I was speaking in terms of the average post quality. 90% of posts turn into a "DIE APPLE DIE YOU SUCK" blind hatred, when infact, its one of the most successful businesses in history. They contribute no content to the thread.

I'm also curious how you see OS X as not being a desired setup for the average user. Enthusiasts are not the average user. they are a minority of users. Being a power user of OS X, Windows and Linux, I dont really see what it ISNT good at. The only pro-windows argument in existence is games, hardware diversity. Photoshop is essentially identical, and Autocad is in Beta for OS X. OS X provides a more reliable, consistent user experience. You prefering Photoshop on PC Vs Mac is a personal preference. I prefer using Photoshop on my macbook pro, because when I'm multi-tasking, and navigating for files, it's significantly faster for me. Again, 100% preference. The technical difference is nonexistant when Job A gets done all the same.

The public, is what i would consider the "average user", and seeing as apple has gone from being essentially worthless at $50/share to over microsofts net worth, IMO, the public has spoken.

I'm not sure where your 90% came from, was the point of my post. I haven't really seen anyone typing in all capitals and posting 1 sentence responses, but saying that people are would make it seem more juvenile and help your case, but thats not whats happening here. Most people in here have agreed that the iphone is a good tool, but beyond that prices are too high, and compatibility is too low to warrant buying them, if thats not a valid argument, I'm not sure what is.

The average users need compatibility, for software, which can include games, even my parents in their late 40s play a few games on their basic computer, and the last thing they want to worry about is software compatibility issues, they want to plug something in and have it work. So that only argument in existence, is a massive one, better hardware support, better software support, thats basically what a computer is. I know Photoshop and the rest of the Adobe Suite is identical, thats what I was saying, I simply prefer it on PC, because my PC crushes any Mac that you can buy, and for much less. I'm not sure what you mean by a more reliable experience either, because, I rarely have any issues with my PC ever, and I've gone long periods without sweeping for viruses. But the Macs I use it school, always seem to have many issues, and many of my classmates who bought laptops have also sent them in for some repairs, I know that Apple and Mac users like to make them sound like they are bullet proof, but like any other hardware and software out there, they can break and have issues. In the end Job A doesn't get done, because of that technical difference, or the worry of something not being compatible. I buy something I want it to work.

The shares might be higher, but Apple sells many things, Microsoft simply sells software, I already said I'm not fond of M$, the PC market beyond M$ is massive, don't look at just the software side. I might if your going to count in the amount that the iphone, and iPod have helped out their stocks, then you might as well toss in every single company like Dells stocks into it, and all the software that is able to be boughten for Windows. It's not a very good comparison to compare a company with many facets to a company with one.

 

[Mussels]

Photoshop has GPU support on mac and windows. they are on equal footing support wise.





ORLY?

Mac HL2 vs PC HL2.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/414/macvspchl2.jpg




9600GT Vs Radeon 5850, 1440x900, default mac settings, and whatever I had set up last time I played HL2 on my PC as.

Direct X is overrated.

you should see the portal ones then. i'll find them. Half my steam list just updated with the updates listing "fixed performance issues for mac version"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3726/quick-look-mac-os-x-portal-performance

it seems that the issues i saw when it first came out HAVE been fixed. performance is still lower, however (even on the same PC)

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Ya Rly, I reckon the PC side looks better, and consequently probably plays at a higher FPS which for any true PC gamer (and TPU member alike) is desirable.

Really? Whats different in that screenshot? Did you even bother looking at it? Everyone I sent it to, couldnt spot any differences.

And Frankly, I dont care if I get 250 FPS on my desktop, and 120 on my laptop(It is a $400 GPU Vs a 9600GT M afterall. No duh its gonna be slower.). It doesn't make a difference. The thing is, i play games for the entertainment value. not to gasp and pleasure myself to FRAPS showing 200 instead of 100. If that floats your boat, then more power to you.

and the last thing they want to worry about is software compatibility issues, they want to plug something in and have it work. So that only argument in existence, is a massive one, better hardware support, better software support, thats basically what a computer is

Thank you, for describing exactly what OS X does.

I bought a USB Creative X-fi Go. I spent 10 minutes installing the driver on my Thinkpad x100e. Being a creative product I was honestly worried about the driver even working out of the box.
However, I plugged it into my macbook pro, OS X saw it instantly. I selected it for my audio device, and it worked wonderfully.

It doesn't even have support from creative for OS X.

Better hardware/software compatibility? I really hope you were making a joke, otherwise you're just blind. Have you seen the mess that Ati, Nvidia, and creative have run into with Vista?

Apple's overall support for random hardware is completely unmatched. they just dont have stuff for internal PCI cards and such, because its not necessary. If it's USB or firewire, theres a 99% chance OS X recognizes it easier and faster than windows.

 

[Tartaros]

and they have hordes of mac-loving fruits who don't miss a single opportunity to rub its perceived superiority over you.

This is the real problem about apple. I like the things apple do, but for god's sake, if I don't want an apple thing then don't come whining about in apple is better, Steve Jobs is going to save you from hell and those sort of things. We know how you praise your lord Jobs but

Please. Seriously.

 

[Triprift]

It all goes down to opinion For me i use Itunes and it work flawlessly with both my Ipod classic and my 3gs Iphone. But if you guys have other stuff thats works better for you then power to yous i say.

 

[Mussels]

It all goes down to opinion For me i use Itunes and it work flawlessly with both my Ipod classic and my 3gs Iphone. But if you guys have other stuff thats works better for you then power to yous i say.

well as an example, i quite often run into people who had to format their PC or sent their PC/mac back for repair and it came formatted, and without itunes intact they couldnt remove their music off their ipod and back onto the PC. apple refused to help them.

it took 'illegal' third party software to succesfully get the music back.


apple stuff 'just works' - until it stops.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

This is the real problem about apple. I like the things apple do, but for god's sake, if I don't want an apple thing then don't come whining about in apple is better, Steve Jobs is going to save you from hell and those sort of things. We know how you praise your lord Jobs but

Please. Seriously.

This concept does work the other way around. Noone cares how much anyone Hates apple, Microsoft, or linux.

Apple surpassing Microsoft in market value, is a pretty historic event, though.

well as an example, i quite often run into people who had to format their PC or sent their PC/mac back for repair and it came formatted, and without itunes intact they couldnt remove their music off their ipod and back onto the PC. apple refused to help them.

it took 'illegal' third party software to succesfully get the music back.


apple stuff 'just works' - until it stops.

This is why iTunes pesters you to make a backup, after purchasing music. Apparently they either didn't purchase their music, or they destroyed their CD's.

Pick an option, and realize who's wrong.

 

[Hockster]

apple stuff 'just works' - until it stops.

 

[DannibusX]

I bought an iPod when they first came out, and I've had to buy new iPods as they come available. There were no better options when I first got it. If I had to do it again, I'd buy a Zune.

That being said, every iPod I have owned is a quality product and functions flawlessly. iTunes is a bummer, but it does what it needs to and I haven't had too many issues. I found ways to get my music off of my iPod when I had to reformat before, but my music is still chained to iTunes.

Everyone has their own tastes, and Apple does make good products, they're just too expensive for me. I've never used a Mac, but it comes down to cost for me. Probably the same reason I use AMD exclusively for my PC's. I get great performance for less cost, it's a win-win. Intel makes awesome CPU's but I can't afford them.

Beside, isn't Apple primarily a hardware company? Microsoft is traditionally software, except for the Xbox and Zune. At any rate, both companies are success stories, and Apple is Microsoft's only major competition, so it's good that they do good.

 

[Wile E]

Being around Macs I have seen a lot of them go down, and commonly, they don't have magical hardware, I know Mac users like to think so though. I know the OS is different, I personally dislike it, but if someone likes it, I just tell them to buy a PC and put OS X onto it. they will save a lot and get much better performance.

I do dislike Mac users, and the reason I dislike Apple is because they are trying to sell an image and a lifestyle, not a product. They are selling "be different", "don't conform". And some idiots gobble that up and think they are special. I put their smugness on level with Prius owners and Scientologists, both of which are in smaller numbers and not seen publicly displaying how much cooler they are than everyone else is, nearly as often.



You don't lie to me! The iphone I don't judge much over, the choices are limited in that market and the iphone was the first, it has a nice foothold, but is still a bit expensive. It's mostly computer, or wait, they don't like to be called computer users, they use something thats completely not a computer...

We've gone over this a million times here. Yes, the laptops are overpriced for what amounts to an aluminum case. The iPods are overpriced, when you can get similar features for much less from other brands, but their base Mac Pros, Mac Minis, iMacs and iPhone all offer a good value for the hardware they contain.

Mac Pro is self explanatory. Buy a similarlly setup dual cpu workstation froma different OEM, and the prices are pretty damn close. Apple will rape you in factory upgrades tho.

iMac, IPS screens in a decently powerful all-in-one. Worth the money to IPS fans.

Mac Mini, no mini PC of the same size has as much power for the price. There are cheaper ones of the same size, but they are Atom powered. Or there are bigger ones with the same power and price.

For iMac and Mini, when you account for the formfactor (which is a feature), they are good deals.

iPhone 3GS 16GB go for $199. That's not bad for a multi-media centric smart phone with capacitive touch screen. Although Android phones are finally making some good inroads here. I think an Android phone might be the next type of phone I grab.

I've seen a man pop his eyeball 12mm out of its socket, then reseat it. That doesn't mean every man can do that. If you think all the OS's are equal, you sir are crazy. They just aren't yes, they each have their own uses. But for your average user, OS X just isn't a desired setup, infact, I really can't think of many things it is better at, and I don't even want to hear for graphic design purposes, because thats what I am going to college for, and I prefer to use the Adobe Suite on my PC.

Most in here are saying what they feel, and I don't see any of it being wrong. We aren't a small group of people in the same area with this opinion, I see people in here from the US to Australia, all with the basic same feeling on the Mac strategy. I would say the feeling is pretty global, unless your a Machead, then of coarse you are better than us, I apologize and bow before you and your superior IQ as you have already stated, I am sorry master.

I prefer OS X for 24/7 usage. The Mrs's iMac isn't fast enough for my tastes tho, and I can't OC a Mac, so I'm going Hackintosh. Btw, aside from some games, you can pretty much do the same things on both Windows and OS X. So OS X is missing games, but Windows is missing some out of box features that OS X has. It's afair trade, all 3 major OS choices are about equal in terms of pros and cons for me, so it primarily comes down to interface preferences for me.

I bought an iPod when they first came out, and I've had to buy new iPods as they come available. There were no better options when I first got it. If I had to do it again, I'd buy a Zune.

That being said, every iPod I have owned is a quality product and functions flawlessly. iTunes is a bummer, but it does what it needs to and I haven't had too many issues. I found ways to get my music off of my iPod when I had to reformat before, but my music is still chained to iTunes.

Everyone has their own tastes, and Apple does make good products, they're just too expensive for me. I've never used a Mac, but it comes down to cost for me. Probably the same reason I use AMD exclusively for my PC's. I get great performance for less cost, it's a win-win. Intel makes awesome CPU's but I can't afford them.

Beside, isn't Apple primarily a hardware company? Microsoft is traditionally software, except for the Xbox and Zune. At any rate, both companies are success stories, and Apple is Microsoft's only major competition, so it's good that they do good.

If you think iTunes is bad, take the Zune software for a spin. No, no, don't buy a Zune either. Go Cowon or Archos, imo.