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when a 5870 cant play at full settings with over 30fps then something is fishy in here, like crysis.


either Nvidia or ATI paid them to make it demanding on purpose to sell their cards or they didnt optimize it based on lazyness or other factors.

and this is the reason why i never paid for any games because you never know how the game will play.

we shouldnt just tak whatever they give. we are not sheeps.

we should email them, fax them and complain. instead of just upgrade. its what they want.
 

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nvidia paid since it uses physx
 

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unfortunately these days greedy developers take bribes from ATI and Nvidia in order to artificially make their games demanding.

Crytek comes to mind. shame on them. i will never pay for their games.
 

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Or the graphics are that good it lags on a 5870. Simple as. Also if you have physX enabled without a physx card it runs like crap.
 
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I think you guys are way off base. Why write a game that doesn't run a large number of PC's out there? It doesn't make economic sense to make your audience smaller than it has to be, even if a video card company is contributing cash to you. Besides, the amount of money that Nvidia pays developers to include the PhysX is really not substantial at all. It's just sloppy programming or not enough time testing on older hardware at lower settings. There's no conspiracy at work here. Relax.
 

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There is conspiracy.

Metro 2033 isnt graphically that good to be that demanding.

I dont like Nvidia or ATI. they are profiterring gluttons which outsmart us for their own good.

I wish death to Nvidia and ATI. I hope they go out of business soon.
 

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There is conspiracy.

Metro 2033 isnt graphically that good to be that demanding.

I dont like Nvidia or ATI. they are profiterring gluttons which outsmart us for their own good.

I wish death to Nvidia and ATI. I hope they go out of business soon.

Enjoy your S3 Chrome 540 GTX then. There is no conspiracy. The game has kickass graphics, some of the best I've seen. 2033 uses some pretty advanced ambient occlusion by the looks of it which is a massive drain on GPU resources.
 

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this game is just bulking up some of the effects that are most demanding for what overall only equates to a slight visual gain.
 

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There is conspiracy.

Metro 2033 isnt graphically that good to be that demanding.

I dont like Nvidia or ATI. they are profiterring gluttons which outsmart us for their own good.

I wish death to Nvidia and ATI. I hope they go out of business soon.

I bet you wish people would rape their women and eat their babies, too. :laugh: :slap: Are you a moon landing denyer by any chance? (Yes, they did land on it).
 

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Now. what is the system your even running it as? this is the second thread that you've talked about games being "crap" due graphics.. There's more to a system then just the card it self.
 

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Enjoy your S3 Chrome 540 GTX then. There is no conspiracy. The game has kickass graphics, some of the best I've seen. 2033 uses some pretty advanced ambient occlusion by the looks of it which is a massive drain on GPU resources.

Yeah, even in DX9 it looks pretty sweet. The one thing that bugs me about the game more than any thing is the lack of control over the graphic options.

physX enabled with out a card for it will lag the f ing crap out of it when there is explosions. Other wise i think the game runs really nice but like Fallout 3 more with it having more to do about outside.
 

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qubit : actually yeah i dont believe that US ever landed on the moon. and yes it IS conspiracy, and a very obvious one.

just look at their lame videos, its obvious that its made in a studio. LOL

their landing on moon conspiracy is just as bad and lame as them fighting with terrorism.

anyway, if Crytek decided to make Crysis 2 as unoptimized as the first one just because nvidia or ati paid them to, then they will face the piracy once again.

i hope they learnt their lesson.

Developers should make games for low end and medium video cards. not high end.
 
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About the game; it isn't that great to be honest and Crysis wasn't either....you can have all the eye candy in the world but if the game play sucks then the game is useless in all honesty.
 

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aCid888: what? I didnt say that!!!

dont accuse me of something that i didnt say.

u are giving the false information.
 
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As you wish.

Please show me where he posted that he called himself an idiot. You bring the moderators attention into a thread where you call others names? :confused:

Let's keep this conversation on topic (moon landing and terrorism? c'mon :slap:), not resort to name calling and be civil. Failure to comply with the forum guidelines will result with infractions.
 
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bebbee, what is your full system spec i.e. motherboard, CPU, and ram :)
 

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The game looks damn good, one of the best I've seen.

Also, it is not baddly optimized, and neither was Crysis. Just like Crysis, Metro2033 is one of the first games of a new generation, that actually uses next generation DX features.

Crysis was one of the first games to actually use DX10 features to a great extent in the game, and it showed by having pretty much the best graphics for its time, and it also really pushed graphics hardware.

Metro2033 is the same. It is one of the first games to use DX11 features, particularly tessellation, which is very GPU intensive, and has a massive performance hit.

Now, being the first use really use the latest DX versions, both games were not as optimized as they could have been. There is a pretty major learning curve when a new DX comes out. It is sort of like when consoles come out. The developers can use all the features right away, but over time they learn how to implement those features better, giving better graphics and better performance. If you take a game at the begining of a consoles life cycle, and compare it to a game released at the end, graphicly the games look like they are totally different generations. The same goes with DX versions.

Yeah, even in DX9 it looks pretty sweet. The one thing that bugs me about the game more than any thing is the lack of control over the graphic options.

physX enabled with out a card for it will lag the f ing crap out of it when there is explosions. Other wise i think the game runs really nice but like Fallout 3 more with it having more to do about outside.

Disabling the "Advanced PhysX" option, removes the hardware accelerated PhysX that runs on the GPU and only enabled the PhysX that runs on the CPU. This is the case with ATi and nVidia cards.

qubit : actually yeah i dont believe that US ever landed on the moon. and yes it IS conspiracy, and a very obvious one.

just look at their lame videos, its obvious that its made in a studio. LOL

their landing on moon conspiracy is just as bad and lame as them fighting with terrorism.

anyway, if Crytek decided to make Crysis 2 as unoptimized as the first one just because nvidia or ati paid them to, then they will face the piracy once again.

i hope they learnt their lesson.

Developers should make games for low end and medium video cards. not high end.

Yeah, and those images that people, independent astronomers have taken, that show the things we've left behind, the lander base, the rover, foot prints... I guess all of those are fake too?

Also, all of the games you've mentioned, Crysis and Metro2033, play just fine on low-end and medium video cards. However, they will not do it with maxxed out settings. But that is a good thing, if mid-range graphics cards could max out games, they would always look worse then what is possible and people with high end cards would be unhappy. Personally, I like having the option to make the games look absolutely stunning if I want to, while still having the ability to set modest setting to run on lower end hardware. I like it a whole lot better then if I was forced to always use the settings for modest hardware...

Oh, and by the way, I played through and beat Crysis on an X800XL, I played it a lot during downtime at work. And I'm playing through Metro2033 on a 9600GT, again during down time at work.

Please show me where he posted that he called himself an idiot. You bring the moderators attention into a thread where you call others names? :confused:

Let's keep this conversation on topic (moon landing and terrorism? c'mon :slap:), not resort to name calling and be civil. Failure to comply with the forum guidelines will result with infractions.

Well he quotes a post that has been editted, so you are the only one that can see what the original post was...

It wouldn't be the first time someone editted a post to make it look like they didn't say something they really did to make someone else look bad, that is why the system to let mods view the edits to a post was implemented.
 
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Turn down the game graphics settings. Your computer isn't "high end" enough to play at higher settings.
 
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Well your system isnt exactly a spring chicken, should still play Metro well at medium.


when a 5870 cant play at full settings with over 30fps then we

But I really do not get your premise for talking about the 5870 and Metro if you do not own the 5870. Why speak on the performance of hardware you do not own. Unless you are talking about a review where the 5870 performed poorly?
 

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why don't you add it to your specs.. it would help us much more.. Just like the other thread..


And like the other thread, i'm With Erocker on it.. just finished a bit of metro2033, on single card. I probably dipped to 32 at the most with 40 being a staple in the "dead city" area. That's very high, AAA, 8x..
 

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the problem with metro 2033 is on certain lighting areas where when u look at the light, u get big performance hit, and when u face back u get the speed again. why is that?

why those lights can be so demanding when u are front of them????

it doesnt make sense.
 

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If your talking about the game via a 5870, you gotta look at the factor that it was developed for Nvidia's software in mind.. It's going to do a lot better with nvidia because of how it can render the game due to physx.. But, even with a 5870, I don't see any studier on a single card.. nothing to make me mad that I'm using a single card on the game.
 
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the problem with metro 2033 is on certain lighting areas where when u look at the light, u get big performance hit, and when u face back u get the speed again. why is that?

why those lights can be so demanding when u are front of them????

it doesnt make sense.

I guess you need to understand how to code and design games for it to make sense. Apparently your video card (most cards) have problems rendering the lighting effects in this game. A 5870 stock will give you close to 30 fps at 1920x1200 while a GTX480 will give you close to 35 fps on average. It's a demanding game for graphics enthusiasts. My setup can run it at highest settings, but it's still a hog.
 
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