Is Metro 2033 badly optimized?

[Dent1]

the problem with metro 2033 is on certain lighting areas where when u look at the light, u get big performance hit, and when u face back u get the speed again. why is that?

why those lights can be so demanding when u are front of them????

it doesnt make sense.

It does make sense, your video card has a 512MB frame buffer which is probably 1 reason why. This is a classic example of turn the textures and lighting down and be humble as your card isnt the best around.

 

[bebbee]

i think i have listed my specs on my profile. can u see it?

but sadly there isnt alot of options that u can customize it.

no customizeable graphics option.

its either normal, high or very high.

u cant tick or untick the graphics u do or dont want.

 

[erocker]

i think i have listed my specs on my profile. can u see it?

You have to tick the little box in the UserCP to allow other people to see them.

V Can't see yours Dent1.

 

[Dent1]

i think i have listed my specs on my profile. can u see it?

No we can not see your specification, remember to hit "save changes" at the bottom
http://forums.techpowerup.com/profile.php?do=specs

 

[bebbee]

now u can see my specs

I think I will upgrading my CPU to a quad core. most likely Q8400, and overclock it with my motherboard.

and i will try to save up for a modern video card, most likely a 5830 and overclock it.


so with an overclocked Q8400 and and an overclocked 5830, do u think it will be much better than the system i have now?

 

[newtekie1]

i think i have listed my specs on my profile. can u see it?

but sadly there isnt alot of options that u can customize it.

no customizeable graphics option.

its either normal, high or very high.

u cant tick or untick the graphics u do or dont want.

I will say that I don't like the fact that you can't really customize the graphics settings. There really should be a custom option to let you turn on and off what you like.

 

[erocker]

so with an overclocked Q8400 and and an overclocked 5830, do u think it will be much better than the system i have now?

It will be better, but it still won't be able to max out this game. If you're concerned mainly about this game I would recommend a GTX 470 or better.

 

[Cold Storm]

E.. I know you got the game.. what's your frame rate for it with the gt 240 going?

 

[Dent1]

now u can see my specs

I think I will upgrading my CPU to a quad core. most likely Q8400, and overclock it with my motherboard.

and i will try to save up for a modern video card, most likely a 5830 and overclock it.


so with an overclocked Q8400 and and an overclocked 5830, do u think it will be much better than the system i have now?

The 5830 isn’t a great card for the price, the 5770 is a better choice for the price : performance ratio. Saying that though your current GTS 250 isn’t a bad card, I wouldn’t replace it unless I was getting something significantly better i.e. 5850/5870. Your main issue is your processor, its old, a dual core and sitting at only 3GHz you need to overclock it alot higher, shoot for 3.5-3.8 GHz to max out these new games.

To answer your question a heavily overclocked Q8400 + 5830 should be able to play Metro 2033 at high settings but it isn’t the best investment. Why drop money to play 1 game on high, just be content with medium settings and keep your money in your wallet.

 

[bebbee]

i have 250 not 240.

I can play this game maxed out on 1600*1200 and its quiet playable but the fps is mostly below 30. like 25 or 24.

and on certain areas it gets to 12fps but its rare.

anyway, i finished the game maxed out with my system.

but i wish i could disable aa .

 

[newtekie1]

The 5830 isnt a great card for the price, the 5770 is a better choice for the priceerformance ratio. Saying that though your current GTS 250 isnt a bad card, I wouldnt replace it unless I was getting something signifcantly better i.e 5850/5870. Your main issue is your processor, its old, a dual core and sitting at only 3GHz you need to overclock it alot higher, shoot for 3.5-3.8 GHz to max out these new games.

To answer your question a heavily overclocked Q8400 + 5830 should be able to play Metro 2033 at high settings but it isnt the best investment. Why drop money to play 1 game on high, just be content with medium settings and keep your money in your wallet.

Actually, it is in games like Metro2033(high tessellation/DX11 games) where the HD5830 really shows its muscle over the HD5770.

When you look at 1680x1050, the HD5830 can manage a playable 25-30FPS, but the HD5770 is more in the 20-24FPS range, which might not seem like a lot but it really is a difference between smooth and not smooth.

 

[bebbee]

but im afraid if i buy 5770, i wont notice much speed over my oced 250.

a 5770 is pretty much behind 4870 or 260 in most games.

 

[Dent1]

i have 250 not 240.

I can play this game maxed out on 1600*1200 and its quiet playable but the fps is mostly below 30. like 25 or 24.

and on certain areas it gets to 12fps but its rare.

anyway, i finished the game maxed out with my system.

but i wish i could disable aa .

Well that lays the problem then, your rig overall isn’t going to cope with 1600x1200 well, maybe 1440x900 or 1280x1024 is better suited for it and quite frankly you shouldn’t be running it at "maxed out" settings. It was your choice to do so, in the video card settings within the game you could of selected "medium" or balanced the detail accordingly.

 

[bebbee]

yeah, i plan to play the game again with dx10 and very high at 1280*1200 res.

it will be smoother. but i am not very sensitive about having low fps.

i can still play games if i get 20fps and above. it doesnt annoy me.

but with 1280*1200 res, i should see a big performance improvement over 1600*1200.

 

[Cold Storm]

Bebbee, I was refering to Erocker since I know he has the game on steam and he has a 240 paired with his crossfire 5850's.. Seeing what the frame rate was on cross-fire of his cards, then with the physx card..

 

[Dent1]

but im afraid if i buy 5770, i wont notice much speed over my oced 250.

a 5770 is pretty much behind 4870 or 260 in most games.

Not true, the 5770 is faster than the 4870 and GTX260, do not let old drivers fool or distort the review. However the 5770 isnt only slightly faster than the two mentioned.

But you are right the jump from a GTS 250 to a 5770 is small and its made even smaller by your CPU bottleneck.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Turn down the game graphics settings. Your computer isn't "high end" enough to play at higher settings.

Who is "high end" enough then?

Honestly I haven't seen anything in 2033 that should be a massive drain on any of the top tier GPU's. At the same time I don't thing there is any conspiracy ether. Its just one of those games that looks nice but I feel isn't as polished in the back-end as some are. Why because even the best Fermi has problems pushing it AND its made by Russians. We all know they are always drunk on vodka.

 

[erocker]

Bebbee, I was refering to Erocker since I know he has the game on steam and he has a 240 paired with his crossfire 5850's.. Seeing what the frame rate was on cross-fire of his cards, then with the physx card..

It's about 42-55 fps. I don't think the PhysX card is working with this game, I need to test further.

 

[bebbee]

Can anyone link me to a latest review with newest drivers on 5770?????

 

[Cold Storm]

It's about 42-55 fps. I don't think the PhysX card is working with this game, I need to test further.

From what Rm told me, he's using 4870's with a gts 250, is that you only see the difference with water, shadows, and glass.. anything that has a reflection you really see the difference. Just wanted to see if another set up, was like that as well..

 

[mdsx1950]

i have 250 not 240.

I can play this game maxed out on 1600*1200 and its quiet playable but the fps is mostly below 30. like 25 or 24.

and on certain areas it gets to 12fps but its rare.

anyway, i finished the game maxed out with my system.

but i wish i could disable aa .

You can't run it on highest settings because you got no Direct X 11. Invain you wasted the gameplay by playing it at 25fps, since even on medium, the graphics look really good.

but im afraid if i buy 5770, i wont notice much speed over my oced 250.

a 5770 is pretty much behind 4870 or 260 in most games.

The 5770 is comparable to a 4890. But due to the memory bandwidth and bus, the 5770 performs slightly below the HD 4890. But with OC it should be able to surpass the 4890.

HD 5770

Core Clock: 850 MHz
Memory Clock: 2400 MHz (4800 DDR)
Pixel Fill Rate: 13600 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 34000 MTexels/sec
Memory Bandwidth: 76.8 GB/sec
Max Power Draw: 108 W
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus Type: 64x2 (128 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 11.0
OpenGL Compliance: 3.2
PS/VS Version: 5.0/5.0
Process: 40 nm


HD4890

Core Clock: 850 MHz
Memory Clock: 1950 MHz (3900 DDR)
Pixel Fill Rate: 13600 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 34000 MTexels/sec
Memory Bandwidth: 124.8 GB/sec
Max Power Draw: 190 W
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 10.1
OpenGL Compliance: 3.1
PS/VS Version: 4.1/4.1
Process: 55 nm

 

[erocker]

From what Rm told me, he's using 4870's with a gts 250, is that you only see the difference with water, shadows, and glass.. anything that has a reflection you really see the difference. Just wanted to see if another set up, was like that as well..

It does indeed work. You also get a little bit of physics when shooting a wall. Bits of dust will hit the floor and there's a particle effect. Framerates are still bleh, but they are an every card at max settings. 4x MSAA simply doesn't work for me either. 4-5 fps slideshow. That I don't understand. Since ATi is perfectly capable of handling MSAA, there is a problem that needs to be fixed somewhere.

 

[Cold Storm]

It does indeed work. You also get a little bit of physics when shooting a wall. Bits of dust will hit the floor and there's a particle effect. Framerates are still bleh, but they are an every card at max settings. 4x MSAA simply doesn't work for me either. 4-5 fps slideshow. That I don't understand. Since ATi is perfectly capable of handling MSAA, there is a problem that needs to be fixed somewhere.

Maybe it's a problem with drivers.. I don't think that ATi would set the drivers up right for this game due to it being a "nvidia" type of game.

 

[newtekie1]

Maybe it's a problem with drivers.. I don't think that ATi would set the drivers up right for this game due to it being a "nvidia" type of game.

That was going to be my guess, ATi just probably hasn't optimized that yet in their drivers, or it is a bug in their drivers with the game.

If my GTX470 can handle 20-30FPS with maxed settings including 4xAA@1080p, then his setup should be smoking the game even at a higher resolution. I need to drop my 9600GT back in my main rig and see framerates are with the PhysX load taken off the GTX470.

 

[lyndonguitar]

Is the bebbee banned? it says on his profile. this guy is getting on my nerves. Looks like he hates everything other than his rig.

well back on topic.

Metro 2033 IS A GOOD GAME. played it. maxed it out. 1440 x 900 though. It has great graphics. well not really as wowing when crysis came out in 2007 but still is good. Anyways Crysis 2 will be out so we will be wowed again.

The only things i don't like in Metro 2033 is the lack of graphics options customization and the animations of children(or adult also?) when running. when they turn they looked like robots and the animation is not smooth. look at 0:48