Dual-Chip GeForce “Fermi” Graphics Card Demonstrated at Computex.

[r9]

The graphics card itself is rather huge both in terms of length and in terms of height, hence, it can fit only into large computer cases. The product also sports two 8-pin PCI Express power connectors, which is hardly surprising, considering theoretic power consumption of the unit. The dual-chip GeForce graphics card from Galaxy features Nvidia’s BR-series PCI Express hub to ensure efficient operation of the two graphics processing units (GPUs).

more info and pics at itnewsandtips.com

 

[Dark_Webster]

THAT won't pass from it's prototype status... at least without a die shrink.

ZOMG 430w TDP!

 

[Tank]

so this card contributes to global warming...

if it were real...

eish...

 

[slyfox2151]

That is awsome, 2 470s on a single PCB, will 2 8 pins really be enough to power it with overclocking in mind? i can see it running out of power running furmark with a large OC


this maybe a VERY hot card and consume a lot of power, however building this card is for the better.
they may learn more efficient ways to cool GPUs and to deliver power.


then again they may just throw it together without much thort

 

[Benetanegia]

The 470 does not consume much more than the GTX275 and the GTX295 was two of them. Numbers were about 200w for the GTX275 and 300w for the 295, expect the same from this dual card.

 

[slyfox2151]

The 470 does not consume much more than the GTX275 and the GTX295 was two of them. Numbers were about 200w for the GTX275 and 300w for the 295, expect the same from this dual card.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_470_Dual/27.html



the GTX295 peaks at 220, with a maximum of 320.
1 single GTX470 peaks at 170 with a max of 235.


now if you double up to 2 GTX470s, its bound to go well over the 220 peak of a GTX295, i would estimate somwhere around the 280 mark, and maybe a maximum of nearly 360-380.


from what iv seen reading around on the forums, the single GTX470 is able to overclock a fairly large amount. from 25% being the average with water to nearly 40 % with some more extream cooling.

so as i said in my last post, if this dual GTX470 overclocks anything like the single version those power consumption values are going to go up a fair bit more, maybe hit a maximum of 420 - 440?
with the PCI-E v2 @ 150watts and 2 8pin power connectors @ 150 watts each that gives a maximum of 450. with some extreame overclocks i can see this being a limitation.


Edit,
as i said in my 1st post i was not taking the stock clocks. i was refering to moderate - extreame overclocks.

i would like to see the real power consumption of a GTX470 with a 30% overclock on the core, i am curious as to how the power scales with the core speed.

 

[bobzilla2009]

The 470 does not consume much more than the GTX275 and the GTX295 was two of them. Numbers were about 200w for the GTX275 and 300w for the 295, expect the same from this dual card.

indeed, the main problem will be temperatures rather than power consumption, as the gtx275 was a fair bit cooler wasn't it? Still, nothing some ridiculously pricey cooling system won't solve and then push the card well past hd5970 price

Also, sly, the PCB takes up a fair chunk of power ofc, and since the PCB won't be made twice then some power can be saved there, the hd5970 hasn't got the same power consumption as 2 hd5850's for example. Indeed a card cannot be released and take more than 300W at stock though, it's the reason why the hd5970 was rolled back in terms of stock clocks ect. Therefore I'd expect the gtx495 (?) to have lower clocks than the gtx470 overall to get under 300W, if possible. The fact that this is just a random manufacturer as opposed to nvidia indicates that getting under 300W is still no easy task, otherwise it'd be nvidia making a fanfare. They still don't have the fastest GPU yet.

 

[slyfox2151]

yeah i thort so, thats why i did not just double the numbers.


170 x2 would be 340, i said it might be around the 280 mark. just a guess.

 

[bobzilla2009]

yeah i thort so, thats why i did not just double the numbers.


170 x2 would be 340, i said it might be around the 280 mark. just a guess.

indeed, and by peak you meant average didn't you? the maximum is the peak. I'd say they could just about manage to scrape under 300W with some clock reduction, maybe even some cut backs on cores (the gtx275 was born from the gtx295 remember, not the other way around). However i don't think they will challenge the hd5970 like they haven't challenged the hd5870 (no price drops from AMD and no slowdown of hd5870 sales show this), it could be good, but it'll be too expensive, and too power hungry/hot to make AMD break a sweat (unless they're sitting by the gtx495 case ofc).

Let's hope nvidia nip this trend in the bud before AMD just widen the gap more and more in terms of cost and efficiency.

 

[slyfox2151]

i was going by what wizzard called the graphs. peak being the peak during normal gaming and maximum being the highest running furmark.


if they drop the core down to around 520-550 from 607, it might fit under 300. maybe drop the ram slightly as well.


i think the GTX470x2 (since it hasnt been named yet so i guess that will do ) will perform rather well agenst the 5970.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_470_Dual/29.html
in the review by wizzard, the 5970 performs 45 % better then one GTX470.. if they can get the GTX470x2 to be around about 60 % faster then 1 GTX470 and if they price it just right, i can see this card doing very well.

 

[bobzilla2009]

i was going by what wizzard called the graphs. peak being the peak during normal gaming and maximum being the highest running furmark.


if they drop the core down to around 520-550 from 607, it might fit under 300. maybe drop the ram slightly as well.


i think the GTX470x2 (since it hasnt been named yet so i guess that will do ) will perform rather well agenst the 5970.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_470_Dual/29.html
in the review by wizzard, the 5970 performs 45 % better then one GTX470.. if they can get the GTX470x2 to be around about 60 % faster then 1 GTX470 and if they price it just right, i can see this card doing very well.

Ah right

I do think it may get into the same performance bracket unless they have to cut too much (in the end, the hd5850 uses a far whack lower power than the gtx470, and the hd5870 too), but the price will be too high. In the UK the hd5970 is around £500. Expensive, but still somewhat justifiable for the insane (only £50 more than a gtx480 for a significant performance boost). Therefore any gtx495 would cost around £600-700, which would not be taken to kindly

Also, i think AMD would see the advent of a dual gtx470 as a sign to finally cut prices after 8 months of reaping the rewards of a job well done. That is exactly what nvidia don't need (although the steam hardware survey shows that the gtx480 uptake is very slow compared to the hd5870's uptake anyway, so i have no idea why they're holding their price points. Currently, after ~8 months on the market compared to ~2, the ratio of hd5870/hd5850's to gtx480/70 are around 20:1. Big nvidia fail there). The fact that nvidia haven't given any indication of making a gtx495 (this was a third party sticking two gtx470's together) makes me think this is just a pipe dream. They need to do something though, considering the hd6 series is bound to have it's first iterations toward the end of the year.

 

[Tatty_Two]

No pipe dream.......

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=123701

 

[bobzilla2009]

No pipe dream.......

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=123701

The pipe dream is an official nvidia announcement of a gtx495 so far this seems like a galaxy mod. Would that allow them to break the 300W pci-e limit at stock? If so, it may be that nvidia will never release a gtx495 but ask the manufacturers to make special edition 'gtx470 x2' cards.

*shrug* maybe it'll cause an AMD price drop or even a true hd5990, that'd be fun

 

[slyfox2151]

thats true, but if the (GTX495) is priced that high i dont see AMD changing there prices as only a very small amount of people would be able to afford it. however it would give Nvidia the fastest Single PCB card on the market (assuming it does infact beat the 5970) so it would entice more people to buy nvidia cards. they may not buy the 495 but becouse they have the fastest card they might think all nvidia cards are faster then AMDs cards. so it might just work in there favour.


however if they can price the GTX495 around the 5970 mark and it did perform a fair margin better then it would become quite popular even if amd reduced there prices. people always want more performance even if it does cost more.

 

[bobzilla2009]

thats true, but if the (GTX495) is priced that high i dont see AMD changing there prices as only a very small amount of people would be able to afford it. however it would give Nvidia the fastest Single PCB card on the market (assuming it does infact beat the 5970) so it would entice more people to buy nvidia cards. they may not buy the 495 but becouse they have the fastest card they might think all nvidia cards are faster then AMDs cards. so it might just work in there favour.


however if they can price the GTX495 around the 5970 mark and it did perform a fair margin better then it would become quite popular even if amd reduced there prices. people always want more performance even if it does cost more.

I agree, it's a big if though, nvidia aren't renowned for competing with amd on price performance lately :shadedshu

Also, you know when nvidia is going down the pan in the eyes of the consumer when shops like PC world (who are generally nvidia and intel whores) have started only stocking hd5770/hd5850/70's and are ignoring the entire gtx4 series. Unless nvidia can really shake up their pricing system (as a gtx495 @ £500 would force every other gtx4 card down in price) they're going to be taking it on the chin this generation and possibly the next as they reel from it. It's a good job they have lot's of money in reserve from the good ol' days of the 7-9 (technically 8:reloaded) series (the 2 series didn't do that well compared to the hd4 series looking back at the steam stats, around a 5:1 ratio win in favor of AMD).

 

[slyfox2151]

judging from the prices of the card here (australia, Brisbane) this could very well cost less then a 5970.

the 5870 is about $520 here and the 5970 can be had for $900.
now taking those figuers and applying them to the GTX470 and 495

the 470 is $420..... i can see the 495 being at the $900 mark, of course the better heatsink and electronics for power are going to up the price a bit.


EDIT:

from what everyone seems to agree on is fermi is just built on the wrong process. with a die shrink it will do a lot better. the GTX600 series should bring Nvdia back inline with AMD depending on how well the 6000s go.

IMO they should have waited till a die shink before making this card, it would lower power consumption and heat. they wouldnt have to reduce the clocks (definetly not as much) and maybe could have even use'd the 480 cores. they may pull this off but waiting for a die shrink would have been the better option imo.

I want to live in Australia at least to buy the cards (since the games are more expensive). In the UK the gtx475 is slightly more expensive than the hd5870

the very cheapest cards are

GTX470 = $405
5870 = $550.
5970 = $920

 

[bobzilla2009]

judging from the prices of the card here (australia, Brisbane) this could very well cost less then a 5970.

the 5870 is about $520 here and the 5970 can be had for $900.
now taking those figuers and applying them to the GTX470 and 495

the 470 is $420..... i can see the 495 being at the $900 mark, of course the better heatsink and electronics for power are going to up the price a bit.


EDIT:

from what everyone seems to agree on is fermi is just built on the wrong process. with a die shrink it will do a lot better. the GTX600 series should bring Nvdia back inline with AMD depending on how well the 6000s go.

I want to live in Australia at least to buy the cards (since the games are more expensive). In the UK the gtx475 is slightly more expensive than the hd5870. Also, i'm very interested in what AMD will do with the 6 series, they've been a quite a roll recently with regards to GPU's and the fusion CPU/GPU thingy should make 2011 interesting (hopefully giving intel a big kick up the ass, as they are charging £800 for a hex core when AMD's is £160 for only a little less performance).

The only problem with a die shrink is that it'll be 2011 before that happens. The first hd6 series are on 40nm, with the second half on 32nm. So they'll be a full generation behind by that point. I don't think a true gtx495 will ever happen, or a viable one in terms of not melting your motherboard and wallet.

 

[Kaiser Kraus]

I think by a long shot, Nvidia can wrestle the crown for the fastest single pcb GPU if its compared to the stock 5970. And that's by a long shot. But also keep in mind the new iterations of the 5970. Case in point, Sapphire's 5990 (If that really is the name). These are real 5870's with even higher clocks compared to the stock. But of course, there's a premium. The price and limited availability. This time Ati did its homework.......

 

[bobzilla2009]

I think by a long shot, Nvidia can wrestle the crown for the fastest single pcb GPU if its compared to the stock 5970. And that's by a long shot. But also keep in mind the new iterations of the 5970. Case in point, Sapphire's 5990 (If that really is the name). These are real 5870's with even higher clocks compared to the stock. But of course, there's a premium. The price and limited availability. This time Ati did its homework.......

turns out it is a dual 465 as opposed to a dual 470, so it isn't beating the hd5970. However it may fill a nice price point which could lead to come competition finally.

 

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