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ok u dont get what i was saying, amd dosnt need to support 1066 or 1333 or up, their chips by design dont need the extra bandwith they do better with lower latancys then more bandwith.
I just wanted to point out that AM2 chips DO, in fact, perform better with higher speed ram, than they do with lower speed, lower latency ram. In Photoshop CS2, for instance, applying every filter to a 50MB raw image, took about 10% less time with my OCZ ram @ 5-5-5-15 960MHz, rather than 4-4-4-12 @ 800MHz, with my 3800X2 @ 2.4GHz. Latencies in the synthetic benchmarks are lower at 960 as well, and read/write is much improved.

Now to add my $.02. I see little reason NOT to buy core 2 at this point in time. Sure, it doesn't game any better, but who uses their machine for gaming and ONLY gaming? It runs just as cool, overclocks waaaaaay better, and out performs X2(or FX, for that matter) clock for clock(if you can even get the AMDs to match the highest Intel clocks) in everything except gaming. Comparing the E6600 to the 3800X2 is just silly anyway, considering that the E6300 is only $180, performs equally to the 3800 X2, and can overclock to over 3GHz on air.

The only exceptions to buying Core2 would be those on an extremely tight budget (such as myself. lol). Being an ATI guy, I wanted something that supported crossfire, overclocked well, was dual core, and I only had $260 to spend on the mobo and cpu. I ended up with the 3800 X2 and an ECS KA3-MVP for $10 under budget. I've always been an ATI/AMD fan, but I have to admit, Intel got their sh*t together on Core 2. If money weren't an object at the time of purchase, I would've been in a Core 2. To get the lowest Core 2, and a good overclocking board with Crossfire support, would've been $150 more, however. I just hope AMD comes back with an AM2 compatible cpu that matches Intel clock for clock, and in overclockability.
 
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I remember the first i herd about the c2d extreme. i was reading PC mag, It said that the c2d e was twice as fast as the best amd chip, and i thought B.S.! So i feel like the Intel guy's have for so many year's.
 

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C2D pumps out higher numbers in every benchmark..including Gaming. Now this isnt toe-toe like the old Athlon-P3/P4 days (back then AMD pwnd gaming, but intel usually had the lead on desktop use)..these are dominating scores. this is why i say you cant realy compare current AM2-C2D because the c2d's are just far better in every way.

Now when AM3 comes out, it might be a different story..but there will always be something new, its the same with nVidia/ATI

And i agree about Intels netburst...but, like I said, the numbers speak for themselves.
 
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well i think if buyng a new build now it has to be c2d.for gaming or for general use it beats am2 hands down.

and i dont mind the new boards for new chips so much with intel,it adds newer tech to the mix,ie-newer chipset,ich8r,better voltage control etc.better that than new chip with older 1 or 2 yr old chipset and board tech.

it is pointless saying how good k8l is either coz its not even out yet so how does anybody know how good it is,and if it even will beat c2d or not.

plus amd forced everyone from 939 to am2 just to add the ddr2 controller so whats so bad about intel doing it?.how many people bought an expensive 939 board only to have it made a waste of money when amd changed to am2 a short time later.

these are only my opinions and everyone seems to be putting in their 2cents so this is mine.if k8l is better then maybe i will switch back to amd as i have no loyalty to either amd or intel.
 
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Well heres the thing, when you get a core2 instead your also futureproofing your system.

Yeah, because we know intel never makes pwm revisions... :rolleyes: Theres only a few prescott owners that are SOL... :laugh:


However.. The authors POINT!

$700 gaming rig.
$300 CPU gives you $400 for rest of system. $150ish for GPU? (eg. x850)
$150 CPU gives you $550 for rest of system. $300 for GPU. (eg. X1900)

Which will get better framerates?

GG. Thats what matters :) Not if the CPU is faster. as long as CPU isnt a big enough bottleneck, the AMD system wins hands down.

Now, maxed out overall.... is not the point :laugh:

Its what I say to everyone I see buy a core2duo 6600 in a laptop with GMA950.

You have the horsepower, but no torque.

EDIT: Dang. Those :) faces drive me nuts. always looks like its crying! stupid low res... LOL
 

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Yeah, because we know intel never makes pwm revisions... :rolleyes: Theres only a few prescott owners that are SOL... :laugh:


However.. The authors POINT!

$700 gaming rig.
$300 CPU gives you $400 for rest of system. $150ish for GPU? (eg. x850)
$150 CPU gives you $550 for rest of system. $300 for GPU. (eg. X1900)

Which will get better framerates?

GG. Thats what matters :) Not if the CPU is faster. as long as CPU isnt a big enough bottleneck, the AMD system wins hands down.

Now, maxed out overall.... is not the point :laugh:

Its what I say to everyone I see buy a core2duo 6600 in a laptop with GMA950.

You have the horsepower, but no torque.

EDIT: Dang. Those :) faces drive me nuts. always looks like its crying! stupid low res... LOL

the e6300 isnt 300 bux lol. so lets say $260.00 for GPU..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102067

if your talking about the E6600...lol well there not even in the same performanc/price range.

even if it was a x1950pro..still would be overkill for todays games as my x850xt PE plays all at high res.
 
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the e6300 isnt 300 bux lol. so lets say $260.00 for GPU..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102067

if your talking about the E6600...lol well there not even in the same performanc/price range.

even if it was a x1950pro..still would be overkill for todays games as my x850xt PE plays all at high res.

but an E6600 has atleast a decent multiplier.. I wouldnt personally spring for an E6300 expecting overclocking records..

I know very well an x850xt plays everything fine :p *points to sig*

but a 3800+ or greater Vs a 6600... cripple one with a slower GPU, and its going to be the faster GPU winning.

period. :laugh:

And thats what matters. Atleast for those of us with a lower budget.....
 

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but an E6600 has atleast a decent multiplier.. I wouldnt personally spring for an E6300 expecting overclocking records..

I know very well an x850xt plays everything fine :p *points to sig*

but a 3800+ or greater Vs a 6600... cripple one with a slower GPU, and its going to be the faster GPU winning.

period. :laugh:

And thats what matters. Atleast for those of us with a lower budget.....

LOL the very slightlely faster GPU wont win lol, the 6300 OC's VERY nicely with stock everything. More so than the 3800+ or higher..

LOL im on low budget too, this is why im peicing out my rig and not getting all at once. GPU isnt everything in gaming..espessially a couple pipes and core/mem increase. CPU should be even more important on a lower budget, this way your entire PC benifits with the nicer CPU, moreso than using that 40 dollars on a GPU. The 40 bux will get you Better scores with the Better CPU rather than the better GPU...... the human eye can only detect up to 80fps anyway, so what good does 100+ fps do you?

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LOL im done arguing, My point is already proven all over the net...
 
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LOL the very slightlely faster GPU wont win lol, the 6300 OC's VERY nicely with stock everything. More so than the 3800+ or higher..

LOL im on low budget too, this is why im peicing out my rig and not getting all at once. GPU isnt everything in gaming..espessially a couple pipes and core/mem increase. CPU should be even more important on a lower budget, this way your entire PC benifits with the nicer CPU, moreso than using that 40 dollars on a GPU. The 40 bux will get you Better scores with the Better CPU rather than the better GPU...... the human eye can only detect up to 80fps anyway, so what good does 100+ fps do you?

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LOL im done arguing, My point is already proven all over the net...

Human eye is not what matters when it comes to FPS.

Its how the game engine handles.

30Fps Vs 60fps Vs 120+ fps in UT2k3 and wolf ET I have proven greatly effects my accuracy...... :)

However, I'm willing to bet a 6600 with an x850 wont beat a 4000+ x2 in 3dmark with an x1900.

or most other game tests...

X850 Vs x1900, the main difference will be how high of AA/AF you can turn on.. ;)

CPU wise, is far from a bottleneck for 99.9999% of cases
 

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Human eye is not what matters when it comes to FPS.

Its how the game engine handles.

30Fps Vs 60fps Vs 120+ fps in UT2k3 and wolf ET I have proven greatly effects my accuracy...... :)

However, I'm willing to bet a 6600 with an x850 wont beat a 4000+ x2 in 3dmark with an x1900.

or most other game tests...

X850 Vs x1900, the main difference will be how high of AA/AF you can turn on.. ;)

CPU wise, is far from a bottleneck for 99.9999% of cases

It will be damn close.. but the pc mark scores for the C2D would own.

30&60 FPS in UT2k3? ....what card is that lol. what im saying is most any sub 250$ card is overkill for todays games...the software hasnt caught up with hardware..which isnt new news.
 
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It will be damn close.. but the pc mark scores for the C2D would own.

30&60 FPS in UT2k3? ....what card is that lol. what im saying is most any sub 250$ card is overkill for todays games...the software hasnt caught up with hardware..which isnt new news.

I managed to squeeze 60fps in ut2k3 off a tnt2, but it didn't look pretty.....

But there is actually a gameplay advantage in quake 3 engine based games like MOHAA, and Wolf from having a higher framerate.... ;)

not to mention a smoothness difference.....
 

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Oh yeah, i forgot to mention sometime in january E4300 is going to be out.. will price at about $130.00 USD..

http://overclockers.com/tips00999/ :toast:
http://overclockers.com/tips01016/


So now Conroe is both cheaper and faster :p = the smarter choice for performance and value!!!

PLus a little more info on upcoming conroe-

$SOLID$Necro PCA forums said:
I haven't realy seen anyone mention this around here, so I thought I would start a discusion about it

E6850=3GHZ
E6750=2.66GHZ
E6650=2.33GHZ

There is a mild bump in clock speeds, but nothing to write home about, these look to be 4MB cache chips, I di not see any mention of the 2MB cache 6300 and 6400 chips, but I am sure they will be respun too.

Due out in the 3rd quarter of 07, the same time frame that the "Natively Supported" Quad core CPu's will debut.

I would guess this will be a new "Stepping" and should see a nice bump in OC speeds, I would bet the LN-2 guys can bust the 6GHZ barrier with ease finally, and you will probably see some 4.5GHZ air/water cooled rigs around

X-bit labs - Hardware news - Intel Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz with 1333MHz Bus Incoming.
DailyTech - "Conroe" Refresh Details Unveiled

The big news is going to be 1333FSB support, and something called "Intel Trusted Execution Technology" that sounds pretty ominous given the nature of the freakishly overbearing Big Brother like "Trusted Computing" technology being built into Vista.

"BearLake" will be the new chipset that supports this new series of CPU's (Though I am sure they will work with older chipsets at reduced FSB speeds) and this is probably actually the most intresting part of the deal, support for PCIE 2.0!

DailyTech - Intel "Bearlake" Plans Unveiled
 
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but an E6600 has atleast a decent multiplier.. I wouldnt personally spring for an E6300 expecting overclocking records.

If 3.2GHz on air from an E6300 doesn't impress you, I don't know what will. I can't even get my 3800X2 past 2.7GHz on water. Although, admittedly, a better water kit and mobo may provide different results. But then I've just spent more than an E6300 with a good mobo anyway.

Like I mentioned before, we should really be comparing the E6300 and 3800X2. Comparing a $300 E6600 to a $150 3800X2 is just nonsense. They are in 2 completely different target markets. If you must use E6600 for comparison, then the 5000X2 should be it's competitor. Still then, it's no comparison, and Intel wins.

We can all sit and argue that c2d isn't any better for gaming till we turn blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is - Nobody uses their computer for strictly gaming and nothing else. The c2d's are soooooo much better at everything else, that with the exception of a few special circumstances, it just doesn't make sense not to buy one. (read my previous post)
 
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Until its out, Its not cheaper. :slap:

Would also be a great idea to note a little fact you left out about january: K8L.

try again?

You mean in Q1/2 2007, K8 Revision G Core will be out. K8L will be towards the end of the year.



So Brisbane is revision g, while agena and kuma will be K8L.
 
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all i can say is that K8L had better be bloody good for amd's sake and for all the fanboys or theres gonna be a few tears.
 

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all i can say is that K8L had better be bloody good for amd's sake and for all the fanboys or theres gonna be a few tears.


lol, you read my mind. Even after so much solid proof about c2d performance available in a 4min google search, AMD fanboy's still arguing.

I was AMD for a while, then I got out of gaming and switched to my P4 pressy..then i got back into gaming and I was gunna go 939 or AM2 because thats where the performance was at..then talk of C2D was going around now thats where im at now with one. I favor performance, not AMD or Intel.
 

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I sure as hell hope so, too. I had no choice but to buy AMD, due to a strict budget. I hope they make my purchase a wise one.
 

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Yeah, but if AM2+ in an AM2 board at least matches Intel, I'll be happy.
 
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I just wanted to add that there are rumors that AMD will only be making incremental changes to the architecture, favoring clock speed increases instead, for at least the near future. This sounds too much like the Intel Netburst fiasco, if you ask me.
 
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same here beachbum86,performance not amd or intel.that wolfsdale looks tasty,45nm/53watts.its gonna oc nice reckon.

what about 65nm vs 45nm?
 
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If 3.2GHz on air from an E6300 doesn't impress you, I don't know what will. I can't even get my 3800X2 past 2.7GHz on water.

My 3700+ Does 3ghz on stock voltage. YAY? :confused:
 

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overclocking takes luck and skill, not just skill in settings but also in parts you choose, my buddys 3600+ x2(3800+ with 1/2 the l2) is at 3.2gz with a freezer64pro at 1.5v(his board only has full numbers and 1.4 is bugged and gives 1.6v, bios fixes are in the works from what he says) but still it never passes 42c under full load, thats not bad for a chip he payed 133bucks for retail.
 
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