AMD X6 for gaming

erocker · Jul 18, 2010

If it's for gaming, put your money into the GPU's. CPU isn't nearly as important. You can easily get by with a dual core but a Quad is all you need. I think a 1055T is a good choice since they're cheap and you can OC them beyond what you really need.

Mussels · Jul 18, 2010

erocker said:
If it's for gaming, put your money into the GPU's. CPU isn't nearly as important. You can easily get by with a dual core but a Quad is all you need. I think a 1055T is a good choice since they're cheap and you can OC them beyond what you really need.

with a single 5870, i'm more often CPU limited than GPU limited.

many games still only care about single threaded performance of one CPU core.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 18, 2010

General answer: A higher clocked quad-core is better for gaming right now than a lower clocked hexa-core.

Caveat: It depends on the game. Some games load one core to 100% by design. Some games load 4 cores to about 50% each by design. I have yet to see a game seriously touch more than 4 cores so a hexa-core isn't exactly going to be helpful. Most games out today will strain a dual-core but run realtively bottleneck free on a quad-core as long as the clockspeed is decent (2.4+ GHz).

Remember, most computers in use today are laptops and laptops rarely ship with more than a dual-core. When developers target a broad audience, their objective is to make it run smoothly on a dual-core because that's what the broadest spectrum of potential users have.

Mussels · Jul 18, 2010

i agree with ford.

they're good for future proofing or if you do video encoding or something on the side like i do, but beyond that a better quad may be a superior choice.

eidairaman1 · Jul 18, 2010

Yup and I notice today that Laptops still overheat, Mine on other hand does not from 2004 and it runs a P4 EE 3.4 Northwood. I can only assume the chassis design is what allows that CPU to run at its intended speed.

FordGT90Concept said:
General answer: A higher clocked quad-core is better for gaming right now than a lower clocked hexa-core.

Caveat: It depends on the game. Some games load one core to 100% by design. Some games load 4 cores to about 50% each by design. I have yet to see a game seriously touch more than 4 cores so a hexa-core isn't exactly going to be helpful. Most games out today will strain a dual-core but run realtively bottleneck free on a quad-core as long as the clockspeed is decent (2.4+ GHz).

Remember, most computers in use today are laptops and laptops rarely ship with more than a dual-core. When developers target a broad audience, their objective is to make it run smoothly on a dual-core because that's what the broadest spectrum of potential users have.

johnnyfiive · Jul 18, 2010

4.0GHz, 1.42v easy on my 1090T. LOVED that CPU. They are great for gaming, encoding, overclocking, general all around great processor. Can't really go wrong considering its $290.

Chicken Patty · Jul 18, 2010

FordGT90Concept said:
General answer: A higher clocked quad-core is better for gaming right now than a lower clocked hexa-core.

Caveat: It depends on the game. Some games load one core to 100% by design. Some games load 4 cores to about 50% each by design. I have yet to see a game seriously touch more than 4 cores so a hexa-core isn't exactly going to be helpful. Most games out today will strain a dual-core but run realtively bottleneck free on a quad-core as long as the clockspeed is decent (2.4+ GHz).

Remember, most computers in use today are laptops and laptops rarely ship with more than a dual-core. When developers target a broad audience, their objective is to make it run smoothly on a dual-core because that's what the broadest spectrum of potential users have.

I couldn't' agree more. The only thing to keep in mind as the buyer is how much you really care about future proofing. That's pretty much it. I mean and not even that much, you can have a Quad for a couple of more years and still be fine. Software is behind my friends, till then give me a single core. :roll:

alexsubri · Jul 18, 2010

Aleksander Dishnica said:
I have read in an article 4 months ago, that making games which use 4 cores is scientifically impossible. Still they are trying to add it in stupid games like super mario to make experiments
No success at all
I wouldn't expect games to use 4 cores
Imagine hexa cores...

erocker said:
No. There are definitely games that use four or more cores. Some Valve games just got an update to utilize 6 core processors.

Erocker is right, BFBC2 uses 4 cores, Grand Theft Auto 4 uses 4 cores, Metro2033 uses 4 cores, there are some other ones too, I can't remember atm

Mussels · Jul 18, 2010

alexsubri said:
Erocker is right, BFBC2 uses 4 cores, Grand Theft Auto 4 uses 4 cores, Metro2033 uses 4 cores, there are some other ones too, I can't remember atm

you pretty much just named the main ones.

as i said in a thread i made the other day, a game can have 20 threads - it doesnt mean shit however, if one critical thread doesnt have enough CPU power to run it.

So again, a fast quad is better than a slow hexa... until games REQUIRE more than 4 cores.

Eva01Master · Jul 18, 2010

Get a fast Quad-Core, LGA1156 will drop in price, take a look over there, also I wouldn't go Crossfire 5870 for a 1080P screen, look at MSI Cyclone GTX460 1GB version in SLI, that is serious horsepower to drive that system and it's not as expensive.

1Kurgan1 · Jul 18, 2010

Champ said:
Yeah, I'm weighing the 1090T and 2x 5870s or a hex-cored Intel and 2x 480GTXs. This is be my first technically high powered gaming rig, so I trying to not cut corners. I last setup was a AMD 5000+ @ 3.0 and a 4850. I'm guessing anything newer would be a massive upgrade. Now that I have a 24" 1920x1080 monitor, I have to come correct.

Thats an extremely hard comparison. Your comparing a system with a $300 processor and 2x $370 videocards to a system with a $1000 processor and 2x $500 videocards. I mean the AMD system is going to rock, but the Intel system is going to be significantly faster since it's like twice the price. If you want the sweet spot get a 1055T and 2x 5850's, the 1055 OC's to the same levels as a 1090, but saves you $100, and the extra cash for a 5870 isn't really worth it, you can find 5850's used for under $250 now, I picked mine up months ago for $250 each. But then again if you got 2k sitting there, go the intel route.

Chicken Patty · Jul 18, 2010

Eva01Master said:
Get a fast Quad-Core, LGA1156 will drop in price, take a look over there, also I wouldn't go Crossfire 5870 for a 1080P screen, look at MSI Cyclone GTX460 1GB version in SLI, that is serious horsepower to drive that system and it's not as expensive.

not denying the 460's incredible power, but my buddy has a single 5870 running a three monitor eyefinity setup and it works like a charm, with crossfire he can probably run another 10 monitors, that's how good it runs.

dir_d · Jul 18, 2010

Dosent Dirt2 use more than 4 cores?

exodusprime1337 · Jul 18, 2010

dragonage origins uses 4 cores, and when i play bfbc2 it puts all 6 cores to the 70% mark and bumps my gpu usage on 2 gpus up to about 85% of their max capabilities, 24" screen at 1920x1080, all settigns maxed. I usually get between 125-130fps... if i were to use intel it might be 140fps max... is that worth the extra 700 dollars on the chip, absolutely not. I still think you can go all out and get a killer rig with amd and save a lot of money. I think the op is looking at it wrong. He says he wants to go all out, but he hasn't built a computer for himself in a while, and the technology definately has changed. Amd is cheaper and easier to work with imho(prolly cause it's all i use meh), but if he makes a mistake amd is far less punishing than cooking a 1000 dollar proccy or killing a 400 dollar mobo.

I'd just go all out with amd, get a hexacore, crosshair IV, some dominator gt corsair ddr3 1800 or so, a couple or few 5870s, a killer case and some liquid and your good to go.

Loosenut · Jul 18, 2010

exodusprime1337 said:
...I'd just go all out with amd, get a hexacore, crosshair IV, some dominator gt corsair ddr3 1800 or so, a couple or few 5870s, a killer case and some liquid and your good to go.

After reading that, I think I need a cig now... :pimp:

exodusprime1337 · Jul 18, 2010

Loosenut said:
After reading that, I think I need a cig now...

lol that's what i have lol, corsair obsidian 800d, crosshair IV formula, hexacore at 4.3ghz 2 5870's, but no corsair, i've got mushkin blackline cas 7 at 1800 lol and 2 wd caviar blacks in raid with a corsair ssd for an os drive. I don't care what intel rig you go, this thing is effin beastly lol

Champ · Jul 18, 2010

exodusprime1337 said:
dragonage origins uses 4 cores, and when i play bfbc2 it puts all 6 cores to the 70% mark and bumps my gpu usage on 2 gpus up to about 85% of their max capabilities, 24" screen at 1920x1080, all settigns maxed. I usually get between 125-130fps... if i were to use intel it might be 140fps max... is that worth the extra 700 dollars on the chip, absolutely not. I still think you can go all out and get a killer rig with amd and save a lot of money. I think the op is looking at it wrong. He says he wants to go all out, but he hasn't built a computer for himself in a while, and the technology definately has changed. Amd is cheaper and easier to work with imho(prolly cause it's all i use meh), but if he makes a mistake amd is far less punishing than cooking a 1000 dollar proccy or killing a 400 dollar mobo.

I'd just go all out with amd, get a hexacore, crosshair IV, some dominator gt corsair ddr3 1800 or so, a couple or few 5870s, a killer case and some liquid and your good to go.

Nicely put :cool:

exodusprime1337 · Jul 18, 2010

i just tell it how it is, i went to 3 lans in the last 8 months, and seen a whole crapload of heavy duty intel and amd rigs, and i purposely sat at everyone i could, and yeah they're nice, but i don't see the difference enough to merit the price, and i wish others saw that too

kid41212003 · Jul 18, 2010

1Kurgan1 said:
All the reviews out there concentrate on reviewing them at stock clocks, they do show usually an overclocked chip for 1 page and what it can do, but the entire article is written on what the stock proc can do, which it should be, thats only fair. But just keep in mind what these can OC to, if you are going to OC, they are worth the money. The 1055T is a small premium over the quads, and it's worth it.

I don't think you even need to OC it.

The X6 come with turbo mode that can reach up to 3.6GHz.

So far I don't see the needs to OC my cpu, all my games are running above 60FPS at stock clock.

Video card is the keyword for today gaming!

TheLaughingMan · Jul 18, 2010

While it does have Turbo mode, when does it kick it? I don't remember the rules, but I thought Turbo mode for the X6 kicked in when an app is not multithread and would benefit more from a higher clock speed. That being the case, would not a multi-threaded game like BFBC2 simple never turn Turbo Mode on (leaving you with 4 2.8 Ghz cores)?

Hell, if I use the AMD Overdrive tool, can I determine when turbo mode is on? Can use use the program profit menu to just say, "Hey computer, when I turn on BFBC2.exe, switch to turbo mode?" I am using the profiles now with some improvements to the stability and frame rate of some games.

1Kurgan1 · Jul 19, 2010

kid41212003 said:
I don't think you even need to OC it.

The X6 come with turbo mode that can reach up to 3.6GHz.

So far I don't see the needs to OC my cpu, all my games are running above 60FPS at stock clock.

Video card is the keyword for today gaming!

The turbo mode on the 1090T goes to 3.6ghz, but there isn't a point in buying that processor unless your using Dice and you can actually get some use out of the multiplier headroom. I agree you don't need to OC them, if I run my 1055 even at stock clocks I can play everything out there maxed out, but if you want the most out of it, the AMD hex'a's OC so easily.

Mussels · Jul 19, 2010

TheLaughingMan said:
While it does have Turbo mode, when does it kick it? I don't remember the rules, but I thought Turbo mode for the X6 kicked in when an app is not multithread and would benefit more from a higher clock speed. That being the case, would not a multi-threaded game like BFBC2 simple never turn Turbo Mode on (leaving you with 4 2.8 Ghz cores)?

Hell, if I use the AMD Overdrive tool, can I determine when turbo mode is on? Can use use the program profit menu to just say, "Hey computer, when I turn on BFBC2.exe, switch to turbo mode?" I am using the profiles now with some improvements to the stability and frame rate of some games.

1090T is 3.2Ghz with 3.6Ghz turbo - and it kicks up when three cores or more arent being used.

Shadowdust · Jul 19, 2010

Mussels said:
1090T is 3.2Ghz with 3.6Ghz turbo - and it kicks up when three cores or more arent being used.

Yep, by default it is three cores or less to enable Turbo Core. It looks like you can boost all six cores through Overdrive though.

Laurijan · Jul 19, 2010

Interesting how those AMD X6 have silenced most AMD haters. At least I get this impressing in following this thread - I have not read one pro-Intel post in here.
A year back if a threads title would be AMD X4 for gaming it would be total fanboy war.

Mussels · Jul 19, 2010

Shadowdust said:
Yep, by default it is three cores or less to enable Turbo Core. It looks like you can boost all six cores through Overdrive though.

i know 1090T can do that, but can 1055T do it? is it a black edition only thing?

Laurijan said:
Interesting how those AMD X6 have silenced most AMD haters. At least I get this impressing in following this thread - I have not read one pro-Intel post in here.
A year back if a threads title would be AMD X4 for gaming it would be total fanboy war.

phenom I = inferior to core 2

Phenom II = on par to core 2

Phenom II thuban = almost on par with i7, but a lot cheaper

pretty much sums it up, why they arent hated any more

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