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Moving this to its own thread. Original conversation started here. This discussion is centered on finding the best way to prove clean play in CoD4, but please feel free to chime in on other games as well. Here's where we started, in a nutshell:

....Videos, carry no weight as they can be edited. They may carry name int he community, however, are not weightable globally. For that, we need demos and server logs.

....Do you really think it would be feasible to edit cheats out of videos? This one, for example?....

....to the best of my knowledge, Fraps captures every pixel of everything on the screen. Recorded demos do not. Looking at the file sizes of recorded demos, they must simply record all in-game actions (player actions, movements, etc.) textually. But what about things that are not "in-game," e.g. external wall hack cheat software which I would guess uses an overlay to show the positions of other players? Would recorded demos capture that?

It's an honest question. Do you really think Fraps is more easily fooled than recorded demos?

When we watch demos, we have special configs that we run. Removes a lot of stuff, lets us see what we need to see. I agree Fraps captures what the user sees, but editing is still a possibility..which means...data could be contaminated.

What's the most foolproof way to show that you are a clean player? Fraps? In-game recordings (for games with this feature)? Something else? A combination?
 

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Steam has a demo function. That is a great way to prove innocence.
 
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Steam has a demo function. That is a great way to prove innocence.

Isn't that a Source demo creator? Meaning only Source games can benefit from it?
 

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There is no mechanical way. Games are ran on computers and computers are designed to be manipulated.

Trust/honesty are the only way I know but that really isn't proof, is it?
 

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webcam behind the shoulder.

My guess is a webcam behind the shoulder of the player while being pointed in such a way as to catch both the keyboard/mouse and the screen combined with a demo. The donkey kong records are submited by video, so if a webcam behind the shoulder isn't enough....
 

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While I can not tell you about "best anti-cheat proof," these are some ways you CAN spot hackers
  1. If you spot someone that is constantly jerking while shooting and running, THEY ARE using an aimbot
  2. If you ABSOLUTELY know that your killer could NOT have known where you were, but still kills you everytime, they ARE using chams/wallhacks/ESP hacks
  3. If you killer comes around a corner, or enters a room, and IS ALREADY shooting his gun in your general direction, that means he is using a cham/wallhack/esp hack
  4. If someone can kill everybody on the map from their current position withing several seconds, they are either ghostmoding/telekilling/opking
  5. If someone is killing you from a distance with any weapon within two to five seconds, they are using no recoil/no spread/no sway in conjunction with an aimbot
 
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This is going a bit off topic, but I'll respond anyway. This post, of course, applies to first-person shooters:

[*]If you spot someone that is constantly jerking while shooting and running, THEY ARE using an aimbot

Jerking alone doesn't mean anything—when I play, I constantly jerk in all directions, checking my six and my flanks, looking up and down, scanning for hostiles and keeping track of my teammates. However, if a player is consistently jerking straight to targets and getting kills as he does so, it's a good bet he's cheating.

If you ABSOLUTELY know that your killer could NOT have known where you were, but still kills you everytime, they ARE using chams/wallhacks/ESP hacks

Not necessarily. Experienced players learn the common spawns, routes taken, and positions camped by other players. They can also use the process of elimination to determine where a target is in the map by observing where said target isn't. You may, through inaction or unconscious action, reveal your location to an experienced opponent.

If you killer comes around a corner, or enters a room, and IS ALREADY shooting his gun in your general direction, that means he is using a cham/wallhack/esp hack

This does not constitute proof of cheating. Firstly it fails to account for sound, which is exceptionally useful in locating players behind solid objects, given a good audio setup and competent player. Secondly, the opponent may have located you by means iterated in the preceding point. Thirdly, watch out for parts of your avatar sticking out through solid objects—this happens in many games including CoD4. Finally, keep in mind that opposing players may be communicating your position to each other—a particularly good possibility if you kill one opponent and then are killed by another on his team, before you have moved.

If someone can kill everybody on the map from their current position withing several seconds, they are either ghostmoding/telekilling/opking

Probably, but this depends on the map, number of players, and other variables.

If someone is killing you from a distance with any weapon within two to five seconds, they are using no recoil/no spread/no sway in conjunction with an aimbot

I don't understand—do you mean if someone is killing you multiple times within a short period? As in they kill you, you respawn, and they kill you immediately again?

Point is: many good players get kicked/banned from servers by those who simply don't understand the techniques they are using. A quote from a server I used to frequent: "Remember: most "hackers" are just better players than you." It's true. YouTube has many videos uploaded by skilled players, showing themselves doing amazing things without cheats. Watch a few and then ask yourself: "If I were on the opposing team, would I accuse this guy of cheating?"

You have to really put yourself in the shoes of the other player and consider the sounds he's hearing, the techniques he's using, the shadows and tracers he's seeing, etc. to avoid accusing the wrong person. Because if you end up accusing a highly skilled, cheat-free player, you're just going to make yourself look like a whiner.
 
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  1. If you spot someone that is constantly jerking while shooting and running, THEY ARE using an aimbot

i think its more of a snap to shot....if that makes sense. not a jerking. Snap headshot...snap to other side of map..headsht...ye..aimbot.

On topic though, as far as COD4 goes, we have used demos. All the leagues / ladders i run, we use demos.

Which is why i am elated at BO having a demo feature.


i do not think there is a BEST method. However, if i had to choose, i would say Demo watchers who KNOW what they are looking for. Submitted to PB and the bans streamed to all server running streaming. can do it at that speed with a video.
 
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va4leo, you mentioned that you use special configs for viewing demos. Can you share those configs here?
 
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va4leo, you mentioned that you use special configs for viewing demos. Can you share those configs here?

No sorry. You need to DL them from PB. SGAs have access i believe. Sorry. :(

COD4 Player has a nifty lightbox function though. NOT as good as an ESP, but comes close and helps demo watchers.

Although tbh, they just help. I prefer watching the players perspective, giving them the full benefit of the doubt. Listen to what they hear, and see what they see. SLow things down if need be (some people are lightning)!
 
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I got accused of hacking in Counter strike source all the time when I played it religiously.

I'm not that good anymore however.
 

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lol WHo doesn't ?? ;)
 

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I got accused of hacking in Counter strike source all the time when I played it religiously.

I'm not that good anymore however.

same here with COD4
 
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XRay anti cheats good.

Ye.....I work with XAC. Its good, but support has been a little hard lately. Hopefully in the near future we will see things sorted out. :)
 

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Best way to ensure anti-cheat is to play with a group of friends on your own server. Outsiders are welcome but if they are cheating they get a perma-ban and reported. That's what we do on L4D2.
 
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This topic is for discussing the best way to prove that you don't cheat. Not the best way to avoid or detect other cheaters.

I'm particularly interested in determining whether Fraps or in-game recording (in CoD4 specifically) is more foolproof.
 

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This topic is for discussing the best way to prove that you don't cheat. Not the best way to avoid or detect other cheaters.

I'm particularly interested in determining whether Fraps or in-game recording (in CoD4 specifically) is more foolproof.

My way does both. If you play with a group of players they can vouch for you that you don't cheat.
 
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My way does both. If you play with a group of players they can vouch for you that you don't cheat.

I have vouched for player in the past...then they turned into cheaters. So, ye, no go no more.
 
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This topic is for discussing the best way to prove that you don't cheat. Not the best way to avoid or detect other cheaters.

I'm particularly interested in determining whether Fraps or in-game recording (in CoD4 specifically) is more foolproof.

I think it goes back down to the fact that even though video editing is very hard (Fraps recorded), it is possible. Whereas demos are not modifiable.

Which is why all the leagues i work with use demos as anti-cheat. Then it all boils down to the people watching the demo and their expertise (which is why many people have to call a cheat before someone gets Global banned).

I mean, at the end of the day, you choose what you want to upload to say..Youtube. So, it could just well be a recording of you playing a regular game..without the cheats on. We all know cheats can be toggled. xD
 
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