I don't understand AMD 6xxx Renaming

[AltecV1]

But they are faster than their predeccesors the 5770

NO they are slower than the 5850 and 5870 we havent seen a 6770 yet

Lol, they are actually faster than their predecessors.

NO they arent

 

[Frick]

NO they are slower than the 5850 and 5870 we havent seen a 6770 yet



NO they arent

They have changed the names of them. The 68xx is the new 57xx, the new 58xx will be 69xx.

 

[heky]

He is either trolling, or just to stupid to understand the entire first page of the thread. I mean it must have been said over a 1000 times in the last week or so.

 

[Benetanegia]

sheeeez FREAKIN GET IT PEOPLE!!!!!

the 68xx is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT the 58xx succesor!!!!!!!!

While that is true, (I'm going to be more respectful and avoid using big red letters), HD6870 is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT HD5770 replacement either.

HD5770 launch price 12 months ago: $159

HD6870 launch price: $240

So basically it is NOT a replacement, it is just filling a hole in a lineup that has not changed it's price since its release 1 year ago, although it should have to, and in that regards I can understand some people taking it as fail. The HD5870 should have been selling at $250 a long time ago. Of course in that regards Nvidia's lineup is just as fail, but both have been struggling to meet demand so ultimately, TSMC = fail tbh. But strictly speaking, you cannot change the fact that 6870 @ $240 = FAIL for many people, because 1 year later you'd expect the new generation to be 1.5x - 2x faster for the same price. No matter what name (6870 or 6770) HD6870 is not meeting those expectations at all.

The bottom line is that there's no need to be a dick about the fact that it's not a replacement for HD5870, because it really isn't a new generational replacement for the $200 HD5830 or $150 HD5770 either. It's nothing but an incremental update that only looks good in comparison to the overpriced 1 year old "should-already-be-selling-for-$200-250" HD5850/5870. So stay calm.

 

[AltecV1]

He is either trolling, or just to stupid to understand the entire first page of the thread. I mean it must have been said over a 1000 times in the last week or so.

they needed a good trolling after they answered my very obvious sarcasm post
and dont call me stupid you.......big silly goose

 

[Frick]

they needed a good trolling after they answered my very obvious sarcasm post
and dont call me stupid you.......big silly goose

Hey, this is the internet, sarcasm doesn't work in text form.

 

[Steve-007UK]

I can get the HD6870 here for as little as £184 now seeing as most places are still charging neer on £300 for the HD5870 and seeing as the 6870 is almost as fast from what i have been reading its clear to me where this new card is pointed at. its pointed at the upper midrange and well worth the money if you ask me.

Its also clear this is not a replacement for 5850/5870 so just get over the naming for 5 mins.

 

[heky]

Sorry for the stupid part, didnt really mean anything by it. I just knew you were trolling.

 

[pantherx12]

I can get the HD6870 here for as little as £184 now seeing as most places are still charging neer on £300 for the HD5870 and seeing as the 6870 is almost as fast from what i have been reading its clear to me where this new card is pointed at. its pointed at the upper midrange and well worth the money if you ask me.

Its also clear this is not a replacement for 5850/5870 so just get over the naming for 5 mins.

Is their not one on ebuyer for 174.99 anymore?

 

[Dent1]

^

Just to add my piece,

The 6870 is selling for £195 here, whilst the 5850 is selling for £210 here. The GTX 470 is selling for £240+ here.

Considering that the 6870 is faster than the 5850 and GTX 470 whilst being cheaper than both makes the 6xxx series value for money as far as iam concerned.

And to drill home the 68xx is midrange model numbering for this series. Its high end 69xx series hasnt hasnt been released which is in direct line with the current 5870/59xxx.

Its also clear this is not a replacement for 5850/5870 so just get over the naming for 5 mins.

The 6850 10% faster than the 5850 and cheaper so it could be a replacement in that respect, but yes, its not a replacement for the 5870 and it wasnt meant to be. I agree the naming issue is just confusing people.

 

[entropy13]

While that is true, (I'm going to be more respectful and avoid using big red letters), HD6870 is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT HD5770 replacement either.

HD5770 launch price 12 months ago: $159

HD6870 launch price: $240

So basically it is NOT a replacement, it is just filling a hole in a lineup that has not changed it's price since its release 1 year ago, although it should have to, and in that regards I can understand some people taking it as fail. The HD5870 should have been selling at $250 a long time ago. Of course in that regards Nvidia's lineup is just as fail, but both have been struggling to meet demand so ultimately, TSMC = fail tbh. But strictly speaking, you cannot change the fact that 6870 @ $240 = FAIL for many people, because 1 year later you'd expect the new generation to be 1.5x - 2x faster for the same price. No matter what name (6870 or 6770) HD6870 is not meeting those expectations at all.

The bottom line is that there's no need to be a dick about the fact that it's not a replacement for HD5870, because it really isn't a new generational replacement for the $200 HD5830 or $150 HD5770 either. It's nothing but an incremental update that only looks good in comparison to the overpriced 1 year old "should-already-be-selling-for-$200-250" HD5850/5870. So stay calm.

Being a new generation mid-range card, it's naturally a replacement of a previous generation's mid-range card.

And what's price got to do with anything?

3870 @launch: $249
4870 @launch: $299

Oops, 3870 is cheaper when comparing launch prices so it wasn't "replaced" by the 4870.

 

[Steve-007UK]

Is their not one on ebuyer for 174.99 anymore?

pass havent bothered with ebuyer since having loads of hassles with my ram, i'd rather goto the shop and pay a bit extra.

Going to the shop also gives me chance to look in the bargin bin, can sometimes come away with soome nice things extra cheap that work 100% fine

 

[Dent1]

pass havent bothered with ebuyer since having loads of hassles with my ram, i'd rather goto the shop and pay a bit extra.

You have to learn the protocol when dealing online. Once you know how the RMA system works, how the company works you realise what to say and what not to say to get your OWN way when things go wrong and RMAs get handled very swiftly indeed, this only happens once you’ve ordered many things an encountered many returns you get a eye for it. The shops scam you not only in price but in RMA's outside of the 14day period most often or the one time you throw away the paper receipt the item breaks!

 

[pantherx12]

Still 175 quid for ( when over-clocked) something that's faster than a 5870/470.

WOOOO golly lol is all I can say.


Two of them in crossfire pretty much MATCH two 480s XD and over-clocked properly just about put their necks in from.


Source

Remember the 480 review is old, it's probably pulling another 10-15 frames with new drivers.

 

[Steve-007UK]

You have to learn the protocol when dealing online. Once you know how the RMA system works, how the company works you realise what to say and what not to say to get your OWN way when things get wrong and RMAs get handled very swiftly indeed, this only happens once you’ve ordered many things an encountered many returns you get a eye for it. The shops scam you not only in price but in RMA's outside of the 14day period most often.

I know how there RMA works its not my fault THEY screwed it up and unlike a lot of people i don't have a credit card so shoping online is a problem as it is, And my local shop is very helpfull and have very good prices, They can usualy match online prices as they have there own warehouse at the back of the shop, They also allow the full 12 months to send things back.

anyway this aint about ebuyer or shops i goto its about the new cards.

 

[Dent1]

Still 175 quid for ( when over-clocked) something that's faster than a 5870/470.

^Panther, are you talking about the 6870? because its already faster than GTX470, it doesnt need overclocking to beat it. Look at W1zzard's review and pay attention to resolution 2560x1600.

 

[unknwn]

Being a new generation mid-range card, it's naturally a replacement of a previous generation's mid-range card.

And what's price got to do with anything?

3870 @launch: $249
4870 @launch: $299

Oops, 3870 is cheaper when comparing launch prices so it wasn't "replaced" by the 4870.

Price has a lot to do with. Almost year passed and we are getting 10% more performance for the same price? It would be expected to get 1,5-2x performance. I believe 6900 will be 1,5-2x faster than 5800, but the price will be multiplied by the performance factor. :shadedshu

 

[pantherx12]

^Panther, are you talking about the 6870? because its already faster than GTX470, it doesnt need overclocking to beat it. Look at W1zzard's review and pay attention to resolution 2560x1600.

I take into account potential over-clocking of the competitor card.

Unfair other wise.

The 470 can over-clock up about 25% where as the 6870s seem about 10%.

When both are over-clocked like that it's actually a pretty fair fight.


Will need two 2560x1600 benches with both cards over-clocked to be certain of that.

Fairly sure though.

 

[Zen_]

Considering that the 6870 is faster than the 5850 and GTX 470 whilst being cheaper than both makes the 6xxx series value for money as far as iam concerned.

And that's what matters...

It's just a part number people. It would have made less sense for AMD to use 67xx for Barts because it's more expensive than the 57xx cards and has a 256-bit memory bus.

What it boils down to is that when AMD replaced suffixes (XL, XT, Pro, GT, GTO, etc.) with greater part number denominations there was bound to be mismatches between generations that might confuse a supposedly naive consumer. We're not naive consumers though, every one of you has probably looked at a 6850 / 6870 review and knows what performance it offers at what price. I seriously doubt anyone will blindly order a 6870, which cost $160 less than the 5870 debut MSRP, thinking they are getting the "new" 5870.

 

[pantherx12]

What a lot of us forget is as well, most consumers don't give a crap about the name, nor do they have any associations ( for the most part) with a part number and it's performance.

Most consumers go on two things price, and what the store clerk recommended them XD

 

[Dent1]

I take into account potential over-clocking of the competitor card.

Unfair other wise.

The 470 can over-clock up about 25% where as the 6870s seem about 10%.

When both are over-clocked like that it's actually a pretty fair fight.


Will need two 2560x1600 benches with both cards over-clocked to be certain of that.

Fairly sure though.

Yes two overclocked benchmarks will give us a better reading, but we can establish that stock performance goes the 6870 the better deal with it not only being faster in extreme resolutions considering that the GTX470 can cost upto £40-70 more I'm not sure its worth the potential 25% OC.

 

[pantherx12]

Wrong res but both overclocked

If you take drivers into account the 470 should hit the same frame as the 6870.





*edit*

Actually assuming over-clocking stills nets the same performance boost the frame rate of 470 should be 102.7 + 27.42 = 130.12

Which is actually a tiny bit better lol

 

[Dent1]

Actually assuming over-clocking stills nets the same performance boost the frame rate of 470 should be 102.7 + 27.42 = 130.12

Which is actually a tiny bit better lol

If you take drivers into account the 470 should hit the same frame as the 6870.

Bear in mind the 6870 has been out less than a week, the drivers are pretty young, so its performance might spike even higher in a few months.

 

[Benetanegia]

Being a new generation mid-range card, it's naturally a replacement of a previous generation's mid-range card.

And what's price got to do with anything?

3870 @launch: $249
4870 @launch: $299

Oops, 3870 is cheaper when comparing launch prices so it wasn't "replaced" by the 4870.

The main difference is that HD4870 was more than twice as fast and was a high-end part.

-Difference number 2 is that $300 vs $250 is a 20% increase in price, $240 vs $160 is a 50% increase.

- Difference number 3 is that HD38xx series launched November 2007 and HD48xx on June 2008 that's 7 months difference.

On the other hand HD57xx was released on October 2009 and HD68xx on October 2010. 12 months, almost twice as HD3xxx vs HD4000. The value of a 7 month old card is much higher than that of a 12 month old one, meaning that a card released 7 months after its release and being ++2x faster does add a lot of value. A card that comes 12 months later and is barely 50% faster, while it costs 50% more is hardly adding any value. It's offering 50% more performance for 50% higher price, that's what you'd expect 6-12 months ago, not now.

So because of point 1, 2 and 3, Barts= FAIL for some people. The rest of the market is just as fail, but that doesn't change the fact that so many people were expecting much more, but you can blame AMD for that, for hyping this new generation so much.

Please note that I'm not saying that I consider it to be a complete fail (but others are entitled to their own opinion) and considering the current market it was a much needed addition, but as I said, I don't think there's no need to be a dick in the way that some people are telling others that HD68xx is not a replacement for HD58xx, because many people may already know that and still think it's fail.

 

[pantherx12]

4800 competed with 250/260 from nvidia, wouldn't that make it upper midrange?