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Plasma sales are up this quarter. my quote of the day.

Just because the Bugatti Veyron doesn't outsell the Toyota Yaris doesn't mean a crapload of R&D and technological advancements didn't go into the Bugatti.
 
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Just because the Bugatti Veyron doesn't outsell the Toyota Yaris doesn't mean a crapload of R&D and technological advancements didn't go into the Bugatti.
yes good quote I like it!

I havent said Plasma was crap, like i wouldnt say a bugatti is crap.

At the end of the day, people dont buy the best of the best, as we are not all rich. We buy the items that satisfy our needs or are a good all-rounder , usually dictated by price.

which is why a yaris sells more in quantity than a veyron. Affordability, practicality etc. Same goes with TV's and pretty much loads of other stuff
 

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I am also an ignorami (is that plural for ignoramus?) you speak of!

"ignorami", nice. ;) Nah, don't put yourself down my friend. :toast: You wouldn't be on this forum if you didn't have a clue.

dont get me wrong, in a perfect world where i'm rich I would pay for a tv that gives me the best clarity and colour etc.

however with the majority of folks that just isnt the case and as you say, they dont understand the tech jargon. this is where business & marketing takes over. Price is always going to be the deciding factor

+1 :)

EDIT: just seen you're post about the Veryron. You know what the irony of this is? If people did aspire for this sort of top end range, it would become way more affordable as more (rich) people bought it and economies of scale kicked in. But that's wishful thinking. <sigh> Man that's an awesome car.
 

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At the end of the day, for a $650 budget, I still say LCD is the way to go. You will get more for your money over a plasma.

The only 1080p plasma in his range is the U2 my brother has, and it isn't any better than an LCD. He would have to go down to 720p to get a good plasma at $650. He can get a 120Hz 1080p LCD for that.

1080p LCD > 720p plasma, period.
 

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1080p LCD > 720p plasma, period.

I have to agree that resolution is critical.

In a case like this, I would either buy nothing or buy a 1080p good quality plasma TV, from a leading brand like Panasonic. My friend has such a TV and it's awesome (and I'm still green with envy).

1080p is also pretty much required to use with your PC, as the extra resolution is really needed nowadays.
 
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At the end of the day, for a $650 budget, I still say LCD is the way to go. You will get more for your money over a plasma.

The only 1080p plasma in his range is the U2 my brother has, and it isn't any better than an LCD. He would have to go down to 720p to get a good plasma at $650. He can get a 120Hz 1080p LCD for that.

1080p LCD > 720p plasma, period.

Plasma are not expensive. a couple retailers are selling my Viera 42" S2 (1080p) for $599.

another $150 you can step up to a 42" Viera G25 model.

give your brother these settings: http://www.televisioninfo.com/conte...-50U2-Plasma-HDTV-Review-1719/Calibration.htm
 

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We calibrated it with my Spyder. His calibration is fine. We actually do know about calibration and setting for proper accuracy using test patterns and such.

And the OP gave a $650 limit with a wall mount. Sorry, but the $600 1080p 120Hz LCDs just plain look better than the low level plasmas.
 
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I disagree. at the 40"/42" range your not going to find a LCD or LED that looks better than a Viera S2 Plasma at $599.
 
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At the end of the day, for a $650 budget, I still say LCD is the way to go. You will get more for your money over a plasma.

The only 1080p plasma in his range is the U2 my brother has, and it isn't any better than an LCD. He would have to go down to 720p to get a good plasma at $650. He can get a 120Hz 1080p LCD for that.

1080p LCD > 720p plasma, period.

Actually, for his stated use in the OP, there isn't going to be a lick of difference between a 720p and 1080p television. Most people can't even discern the difference in blu-rays. The only difference he'd likely notice is on a computer desktop, which I didn't see him mention. The U2 far exceeds any LCD in that price/size in color, black levels, response time, or just overall picture quality. Then again some people prefer the overly bright and overly saturated look of some LCDs, so it really comes down to preference. And as has been said previously, if there is any ambient light go w/ a non-glossy LCD as any plasma at that price range will just have a mirror on the front.
 

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Actually, for his stated use in the OP, there isn't going to be a lick of difference between a 720p and 1080p television. Most people can't even discern the difference in blu-rays. The only difference he'd likely notice is on a computer desktop, which I didn't see him mention. The U2 far exceeds any LCD in that price/size in color, black levels, response time, or just overall picture quality. Then again some people prefer the overly bright and overly saturated look of some LCDs, so it really comes down to preference. And as has been said previously, if there is any ambient light go w/ a non-glossy LCD as any plasma at that price range will just have a mirror on the front.

Are you insane? There is a HUGE difference between 720p and 1080p in movies and TV. I can't even begin to express my shock and disbeleif in this comment. You seriously need some glasses if you can't EASILY tell the difference.

And the U2 DOES NOT beat any LCD in that range. We don't like oversaturation in our TVs, and calibrate them to be as accurate as possible, not vivid. We hate that crap.

Then there is still the fact he has an image stuck on his screen in the bottom corner. He still regrets his decision to go plasma.
 
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Are you insane? There is a HUGE difference between 720p and 1080p in movies and TV. I can't even begin to express my shock and disbeleif in this comment. You seriously need some glasses if you can't EASILY tell the difference.

And the U2 DOES NOT beat any LCD in that range. We don't like oversaturation in our TVs, and calibrate them to be as accurate as possible, not vivid. We hate that crap.

Then there is still the fact he has an image stuck on his screen in the bottom corner. He still regrets his decision to go plasma.

Um, just check anywhere on any tech site about the difference and you'll see what I'm talking about. CNet did quite a bit on that. And no, you can't tell the difference at average distance for the size of television in a living room setting. Even for the sake of argument if you could, he said he's not using blu-ray, meaning virtually all of his source material will be at best 720p or 1080i, so.......

If you're purely talking specs, yes it does beat any LCD, and it's not even close. But like I said different strokes for different folks.

Image retention is pretty much a non-issue for most plasmas. Of course it's possible, especially in the first few months of owning, but that's why you calibrate and don't leave stagnant images around all the time.
 

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Small chance of permanent image retention is still a lot worse than no chance.

And the CNet article is a full of crap. I realized it when I went from a 42" 720p to a 42" 1080p at a distance they claim shouldn't make a difference. Almost everyone I know can easily tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, unless they are 30' away from a 32" set.

And just because he doesn't have BD now, doesn't mean he wont decide to grab it after having an HDTV. And what if he starts deciding to download 1080p rips? Why limit yourself?
 
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Small chance of permanent image retention is still a lot worse than no chance.

And the CNet article is a full of crap. I realized it when I went from a 42" 720p to a 42" 1080p at a distance they claim shouldn't make a difference. Almost everyone I know can easily tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, unless they are 30' away from a 32" set.

And just because he doesn't have BD now, doesn't mean he wont decide to grab it after having an HDTV. And what if he starts deciding to download 1080p rips? Why limit yourself?

Hey I'm all for 1080p, go for it, I wouldn't buy a HDTV without it, I'm just imparting knowledge. You think it's a huge difference because either you sit very close, have a huge television (>50in), or just think it looks better b/c you know it's 1080p. That's not the only article out there. I'm not going to link them just do a google search. Whatever floats your boat. And again, I agree, planning for the future 1080p is the way to go. But that just isn't going to make much of a difference to him right now or possibly ever, thus it shouldn't be of primary concern.

And LCDs can have dead pixils, is that better?
 

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we have a 40" (1360x768) and 46" (1080p) screen here, and i've tested them.


Difference between the two is clearly discernible - the 46" actually looks worse for SD content, due to the stretching at all but really far distances, with the 40 looking worse once we get blu ray content out.

Point is that the quality difference is easily discernible, whether it be the wrong size TV for the distance involved, or a lower resolution.


edit: gaming is tons better on the 46", LED backlit makes a huge difference there.
 

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Not all LCDs get dead pixels, but all plasmas have the chance of permanent image retention. So yeah, it is better.

And it wasn't placebo. I swapped the TV as a xmas surprise to my family 2 years ago, while nobody was home. 42", viewing distance of 15.5ft. Nobody noticed, until we played Transformers, then everybody noticed immediately.

Those charts are full of shit.
 
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we have a 40" (1360x768) and 46" (1080p) screen here, and i've tested them.


Difference between the two is clearly discernible - the 46" actually looks worse for SD content, due to the stretching at all but really far distances, with the 40 looking worse once we get blu ray content out.

Point is that the quality difference is easily discernible, whether it be the wrong size TV for the distance involved, or a lower resolution.

Not all LCDs get dead pixels, but all plasmas have the chance of permanent image retention. So yeah, it is better.

And it wasn't placebo. I swapped the TV as a xmas surprise to my family 2 years ago, while nobody was home. 42", viewing distance of 15.5ft. Nobody noticed, until we played Transformers, then everybody noticed immediately.

Those charts are full of shit.

Ok well I guess most the internet just doesn't know what they're talking about.:rolleyes:

And at least image retention is controllable, you just have to be moderately careful in the first few months of owning, and there is virtually 0 chance of burn in. Dead pixels happen seemingly at random. Anyway it really, like I said, just boils down to personal preference. From what I've been able to tell most videophiles or low budget shoppers prefer plasmas, while everybody else loves LCDs. I imagine the OP will be happy stepping up from a CRT to any of those.....
 
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in hindsight your brother should of broke it in. the U2 ($549) and S2 ($599) are both mid level plasma televisions in Panasonic's 2010 lineup but the quality between them is night and day even with the price difference. the U2 got a bad review.

The Panasonic TC-P42U2 is not quite of the entry-level series, but we've certainly seen better from the venerable plasma manufacturer. Thin on features, you should at least expect solid performance. Instead, the TC-P42U2 coasts by on brand name recognition, putting in a decent showing here and there, but failing to match up to the average LCD.

the S2 got a better review and is ranked high on a couple websites.

One of the TVs greatest strengths lies in its white brightness which measured an average luminance of 31.50. This result nears LCD TVs in brightness and points to Panasonic's desire to compete with LCD TVs in this area.

Dark Shadow Detail: Partly due to the high brightness of this plasma dark shadow detail is excellent. Panasonic plasma TVs have long been a favorite of ours in this important area.

I took another look on Google Shopping and it can be had for $592. if you can find something better I would like to know! I need another television for my living room.
 
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I'd rather have a 40" Samsung 630, tbh.

And I am an idiot, my TV is a 46", not 42". Still, huge difference between 720p and 1080p at 15.5', which is still supposed to be unnoticeable.
 
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well after much debate i am pretty sure i will be going with a plasma tv. panasonic viera, just dont know the model yet. I have still to check it out in person and that will be the deciding factor
 
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I'd rather have a 40" Samsung 630, tbh.

And I am an idiot, my TV is a 46", not 42". Still, huge difference between 720p and 1080p at 15.5', which is still supposed to be unnoticeable.

What's the 720 model you're comparing it to?

well after much debate i am pretty sure i will be going with a plasma tv. panasonic viera, just dont know the model yet. I have still to check it out in person and that will be the deciding factor

The S2 bumble mentioned will likely be your best bet at that price.
 

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:cry:Unless you live under a rock—in which case, you probably don't read UAV—you know that Pioneer's Kuro plasma TVs are the finest flat panels ever made. You also know that Pioneer is getting out of the plasma business altogether, much to the dismay of videophiles everywhere.
If you want to own one of the best damn hdtvs made (IMHO of course) now is the time to grab one.
The economy is the biggest reason I guess, as not everybody can plunk down 7 grand for a tv, but...NEVER MIND, TOO LATE.

Aww, damn it all, I just found a few extra bucks in my dresser drawer.
 
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Pioneer is out of his budget.

<puts down a Canadian Looney>

a bit out of his budget.

you will be happy with the Panasonic Viera S2. out of the big three (Panasonic, Samsung, LG) Panasonic is committed to Plasma.
 
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I would say you get way more for the money more quality and just more with plasma! I love mine and I use for my PC monitor! Works great.

Image burn in is VERY MUCH AN ISSUE during BREAK-IN time of the plasma then the issue goes away bye bye.... Normally any image burn in during this time can be removed with white wash type method.

I burned in my clock and calendar when I first received mine but noticed fairly fast and corrected my actions and then white washed it out ..after 3 days the image was gone and now it doesn't image burn any longer...It was around the 200 hour plus time that all signs of image burn in vanished (with in reason) also the plasma image in general was actually getting better towards the 200 hour of use time...It was the best $$$ spent on a monitor yet!

If your lazy and don't want to break in a plasma then get LCD or LED but if you want MORE for your $$$ and can exercise some caution for the first 200 hours then go Plasma...All my movies and gaming looks way better on my
Plasma.

Response time in games is unreal! Super duper good and noticeably so!
 
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:cry:Unless you live under a rock—in which case, you probably don't read UAV—you know that Pioneer's Kuro plasma TVs are the finest flat panels ever made. You also know that Pioneer is getting out of the plasma business altogether, much to the dismay of videophiles everywhere.
If you want to own one of the best damn hdtvs made (IMHO of course) now is the time to grab one.
The economy is the biggest reason I guess, as not everybody can plunk down 7 grand for a tv, but...NEVER MIND, TOO LATE.

Aww, damn it all, I just found a few extra bucks in my dresser drawer.

damn that sucks..

hows the weather in rochester? (i grew up there) :toast:
 

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What's the 720 model you're comparing it to?

The 720p Samsung from the year before. Both mid range 60Hz sets.


And here is something I haven't heard mentioned, what about half life of the plasma sets? They actually lose image quality over time. I'm sure they have gotten better, but it is still a factor.

It just seems to me that LCD is the better all around technology, especially when we start talking durability and longevity.
 
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