The movie industry is dictating that DRM be built into Intel's new line of CPUs.

[cadaveca]

Dude, your thing with the Z-5500 has NOTHING to do with DRM. It's an issue with hardware functionality, not DRM.

 

[hat]

DRM has an effect on my life.


i want to connect my z5500 speakers to the SPDIF output of my TV and get 5.1 sound from my PC/games consoles, but i cant. DRM requirements of HDCP/HDMI dictate that HDMI sources into a TV only allow 2.0 stereo PCM audio out of SPDIF.


you may think 'im a legit user, it doesnt concern me!' but i assure you, it does. crippled features are abundant with this crap. how would you feel if you couldnt watch HD youtube content without a specific video card, CPU and OS combination? no reason you cant do it, except that you MAY record it/download it for your own nefarious purposes, copying and spreading that pirated copy of a sleeping dog sleepwalking its way into a wall.

It is?

 

[TheMailMan78]

Let me put it like this guys.

Artist = prostitute.
Publishers = pimp.
Customer = Johns.
Pirates = Rapist.
DRM = Pimps gun.

The prostitute hits the street to sell themselves but are constantly being raped. A pimp comes along and thinks the prostitute has potential and offers her his service in return for a cut or her profit. The pimp waves his gun in all the Johns faces in hope to scare them into paying. In a lot of cases it works. However the prostitute still gets rapped a lot. Just not as much with the pimp and his gun around.

The moral of this story is pay your hooker. Its the right thing to do.

 

[hat]

Comparing publishers to pimps... well, at least that made sense.

 

[garyinhere]

Comparing publishers to pimps... well, at least that made sense.

How do you expect a serious conversation with others if you are determined to use sarcasm against them?

 

[cadaveca]

It is?

Yes, the hardware in the TV is NOT set to provide surround content. the speakers should be connected to either an amp, or a cable box, etc...not the TV.

DRM may be the motivation behind that functionality, but that doesn't mean that his decision to use them in that way was the proper solution.

The only reason there is even a digital out on the TV is THANKS to DRM.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Comparing publishers to pimps... well, at least that made sense.

The whole post made sense. If you don't get it then your just a rapist.

 

[hat]

How do you expect a serious conversation with others if you are determined to use sarcasm against them?

Oh no, I was completely serious there. No sarcasm at all. None here either...

Yes, the hardware in the TV is NOT set to provide surround content. the speakers should be connected to either an amp, or a cable box, etc...not the TV.

DRM may be the motivation behind that functionality, but that doesn't mean that his decision to use them in that way was the proper solution.

The only reason there is even a digital out on the TV is THANKS to DRM.

Well, at least now you're seeing that part of it. However, I fail to understand how DRM encourages development...

The whole post made sense. If you don't get it then your just a rapist.

See my reply to gary.

 

[CarneASADA]

don't forget this: REMOTE KILL SWITCH

"From a security standpoint, the biggest addition Sandy Bridge will deliver will be the ability to remotely kill and restore a lost or stolen PC via 3G, Marek said. Previously, that capability, which delivers a "poison pill" that can remotely wipe the PC's hard drive, was only available via Ethernet or Wi-Fi. Now, if that laptop has a 3G connection, the PC can be protected, Marek said."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369110,00.asp

 

[cadaveca]

Well, at least now you're seeing that part of it. However, I fail to understand how DRM encourages development...

Maybe that's why your logic failed here.

There's no reason for a TV to have a digital output, except because the signal is already there. TV's are not surround-sound devices, there are stereo devices, so to expect surround to come out of a stereo device is foolish, IMHO.

It's no different to me than expecting a stereo amp to all of a sudden grow extra speaker jacks, and support surround.


HDMI carries both the surround signal, and seperately, the stereo signal, as well as video. The DRM chain has surround audio exit at the second last component, and the last component only gets stereo audio..because, as I said, TV's are not stereo devices, so there no reason for them to process a surround signal.

The fact that the stereo signal is there in digital format is thanks to DRM and is the only reason the connector is there.

 

[THRiLL KiLL]

don't forget this: REMOTE KILL SWITCH

"From a security standpoint, the biggest addition Sandy Bridge will deliver will be the ability to remotely kill and restore a lost or stolen PC via 3G, Marek said. Previously, that capability, which delivers a "poison pill" that can remotely wipe the PC's hard drive, was only available via Ethernet or Wi-Fi. Now, if that laptop has a 3G connection, the PC can be protected, Marek said."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369110,00.asp

i wouldn't be as worried about the built in drm as i would be this. if you can disable it, that would be good. If you cant. well..

screw dds attacks, hackers will just send the kill switch to your server.

 

[DannibusX]

The OPP is Ontario Provincial Police. LBC is the Lehman Brothers. So yes, the OPP is down with DRM in LBC.

O is for other, P is for people scratchin' temple. The last P, well that's not that simple. It's sorta like another way to call a cat a kitten. It's five little letters that I'm missin' here.

 

[cdawall]

i really think this thread needs to get closed its just turned into a pissing match

 

[sneekypeet]

i really think this thread needs to get closed its just turned into a pissing match

I really think you should leave that to the moderation, and keep your inflammatory remarks to yourself.

 

[hat]

I somewhat agree with cdawall. It's remarkable that this thread reached 11 pages without turning into a warzone. There's been some harsh comments tossed around, but nothing that we can't handle on our own without getting super pissed. The argument's pretty much boiled down to the point where everyone's expressed their views and now it's just going back and forth saying the same things, but that doesn't really mean it's closing time.

 

[sneekypeet]

I somewhat agree with cdawall. It's remarkable that this thread reached 11 pages without turning into a warzone. There's been some harsh comments tossed around, but nothing that we can't handle on our own without getting super pissed. The argument's pretty much boiled down to the point where everyone's expressed their views and now it's just going back and forth saying the same things, but that doesn't really mean it's closing time.

So what is productive or on topic from your post?

 

[hat]

I admit that post contributed next to nothing to the thread's topic; I was just making a comment. TPU's a fairly 'open' place compared to other tech forums, where we can do things like make public comments about moderation and such... however, this will be the last post I make about this issue to prevent further crapping of the thread.

 

[cdawall]

I really think you should leave that to the moderation, and keep your inflammatory remarks to yourself.

i really don't think stating a basic fact is being inflammatory there are 11 pages of people either saying DRM is ok or people saying DRM is bad just like all of the intel vs AMD threads or nvidia vs AMD threads.

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[streetfighter 2]

Let me put it like this guys.

Artist = prostitute.
Publishers = pimp.
Customer = Johns.
Pirates = Rapist.
DRM = Pimps gun.

The prostitute hits the street to sell themselves but are constantly being raped. A pimp comes along and thinks the prostitute has potential and offers her his service in return for a cut or her profit. The pimp waves his gun in all the Johns faces in hope to scare them into paying. In a lot of cases it works. However the prostitute still gets rapped a lot. Just not as much with the pimp and his gun around.

The moral of this story is pay your hooker. Its the right thing to do.

This analogy breaks down though because I need to call up the hooker every time I want some action from her. I can only ever purchase the 5 or 6 seconds it takes me to do my best impression of an epileptic. It would only make sense if the hooker could infinitely sell herself infinitely often, but I only needed to pay once unless I was playing WoW. Oddly enough in the case of a pirate, the hooker is so busy getting poked infinitely many times (infinitely often) that she may or may not even realize (or care) that half the people spelunking aren't paying customers (and I'll be damned if the pimp can keep up with that much crap)...

I feel dirty now...

EDIT: It also suddenly seems apparent to me that one could, presumably, go through the entire prostitute-client exchange without ever seeing the pimp's gun. In the case of DRM, the pimp is waving his gun in your face saying, "Just try it mother ***** and I'll rip your ***** **** you ***** ****** ***." So in reality, the DRM pimp is really an ultra hyperactive paranoid pimp (perhaps not undeservedly).

 

[erocker]

The drama Llama's are being sent out to pasture.

Have a nice drama-free day.

Your pal,

erocker