X58 vs P67

[n-ster]

DON'T go P67, the cpus might be a small upgrade, but the motherboards are really a downgrade. i7 970 is your best option if you want to upgrade

EDIT: oh and there is a thanks button, no need to post thanks

 

[ckoons1]

DON'T go P67, the cpus might be a small upgrade, but the motherboards are really a downgrade. i7 970 is your best option if you want to upgrade

thx needed that :]

 

[Fishymachine]

performance gain from X58 would be to small...if you had a AM2+ or LGA 775 P67 would've been the best solution ...but like this ... save for a the HIGH END of the new generation

 

[JrRacinFan]

Always hate threads like this. Every single platform has it's uses, along with it's pros and cons. Need to save on some electricity? Switch from X** to P** or 45nm to 32nm. Need somethin that doesn't need as good of a cooling subsystem, switch from X** to P**. Need good memory latency along with capacity? Stay where you're at with X**. Never know you might even find out you only need 2 cores, switch over to P**.

@n-ster

I do rather agree with you on the i7 970 (budget allowing).

 

[PaulieG]

which p67 mobo-cpu is best?
is p67 socket 1155?

P67 is the performance chipset of 1155. Right now, people seem to be having the best luck on the Biostar TP67XE and Gigabyte UD5 and UD7 boards. I have the Biostar board, and I'm very impressed. Best chips are the K version chips, either the 2600K or 2500K. Only the K chips can be significantly overclocked.

Here's my current 2600K

 

[Feizy]

what mobo are you using and how many volts?
thx

I'm using the msi p67a-gd65. I have my vcore set to 1.35, but cpu-z shows it as 1.37. I run it 24/7 with no issues

 

[PaulieG]

DON'T go P67, the cpus might be a small upgrade, but the motherboards are really a downgrade. i7 970 is your best option if you want to upgrade

EDIT: oh and there is a thanks button, no need to post thanks

Describe what you mean by downgrade. Build quality? Specific feature sets? I've used about every x58 worth running, and I'd say this Biostar board fits right in the middle of the better x58 boards if you are talking in terms build quality. The only thing thing that is "better" in my eyes about x58 is fine tuning the chip and memory, because you clock with just the multiplier on P67. This simply means that you are limited to dividers. Performance wise, memory performance is still better with Sandy Bridge, even though it is dual channel. However, I do agree that moving from x58 to P67 is close to a lateral move for everyday computing. I can say that Sandy Bridge sure is fun in terms of benching, boot times etc., and I don't regret moving to the platform. Hell, it really cost me next to nothing after selling my x58 stuff. Take a look at this Maxxmem run, and i'm booting into Win 7 in 16 seconds on my SSD without any SSD tweaks.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

source?

couldnt say, I mean it was here in a few similar threads but don't recall which.

DON'T go P67, the cpus might be a small upgrade, but the motherboards are really a downgrade. i7 970 is your best option if you want to upgrade

EDIT: oh and there is a thanks button, no need to post thanks

No way does that hold true. P67 boards are an incremental upgrade just like the cpus. The only X58 board I'd go to now would be one of those insanely expensive new gigabyte boards + a 990, but then again who would ever invest in a dead end platform now? So it's really only worth comparing the prior gen X58 boards. The only disadvantage of P67 is the pci-e bandwidth, which reviews have shown is often overcome by the cpu performance, so even multi-gpu users can benefit. You can even buy a NF200 P67 if you really want to make it a clear victory. And I wouldn't recommend an intel 6 core upgrade for a typical 1366 user. Don't be lazy. It's not the end of the world to swap out your motherboard. Paying $600 for a 6 core chip that loses 2/3 times to a chip half the price just doesn't make sense. It's cheaper to buy a notably more efficient sandybridge cpu/board combo and sell your old chip and board. The only exception is if you make heavy use of those few apps where the 6 core wins. Then sure, have at it, but otherwise go sandy or don't upgrade yet. That's just what makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 74752]

Agree with Paulieg - Biostar mb's have proven to be the best bang for the buck thus far...

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2119085_rickss69_maxxmem_ddr3_sdram_2161.3_marks

 

[ckoons1]

P67 is the performance chipset of 1155. Right now, people seem to be having the best luck on the Biostar TP67XE and Gigabyte UD5 and UD7 boards. I have the Biostar board, and I'm very impressed. Best chips are the K version chips, either the 2600K or 2500K. Only the K chips can be significantly overclocked.

Here's my current 2600K

http://img.techpowerup.org/110305/SBcrunching1.png

HOLY CRAP!!

 

[3dsage]

Im on Asrock Xtreme6 P67 board with 2500k
5GHZ @ 1.38 Volts temps rarely go above mid 50's after gaming sessions, idles at low 40's. This is on air.
IMO setup is bit more than a lateral move when going from x58.

 

[ckoons1]

now you guys have me really thinking lol...

 

[PaulieG]

Im on Asrock Xtreme6 P67 board with 2500k
5GHZ @ 1.38 Volts temps rarely go above mid 50's after gaming sessions, idles at low 40's. This is on air.
IMO setup is bit more than a lateral move when going from x58.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/esi-slowboy/50.jpg

If I turn off HT, this is what I get with the 2600K too. I can do 5.0 HT on with more vcore than I'm comfortable with.

 

[Deleted member 74752]

Lateral move my butt...

 

[Zenith]

Lateral move my butt...

My point exactly

 

[MetalRacer]

I have the Biostar TP67XE mobo and 2600K CPU and it rocks along @4.5GHz 24/7 on air with ease. If I had to choose between it and one of my i7 920 rigs I would take Sandy Bridge.

 

[PaulieG]

Oh, one other thing I forgot. A few days ago I was playing around with cooling this 2600K. I found that I could passively cool the beast at 4.2 1.24v (bios) and still see temps in just the low 60's running WCG....although not for very long.

 

[Deleted member 74752]

 

[Wile E]

Lateral move my butt...

My point exactly

http://www.shrani.si/f/3v/ye/1Ssf77eF/1/pi1.jpg

And, how about in multithreaded apps vs a 4.2-4.5Ghz hexacore with HT on?

Yep, definitely still a lateral move.

 

[n-ster]

Describe what you mean by downgrade. Build quality? Specific feature sets? I've used about every x58 worth running, and I'd say this Biostar board fits right in the middle of the better x58 boards if you are talking in terms build quality. The only thing thing that is "better" in my eyes about x58 is fine tuning the chip and memory, because you clock with just the multiplier on P67. This simply means that you are limited to dividers. Performance wise, memory performance is still better with Sandy Bridge, even though it is dual channel. However, I do agree that moving from x58 to P67 is close to a lateral move for everyday computing. I can say that Sandy Bridge sure is fun in terms of benching, boot times etc., and I don't regret moving to the platform. Hell, it really cost me next to nothing after selling my x58 stuff. Take a look at this Maxxmem run, and i'm booting into Win 7 in 16 seconds on my SSD without any SSD tweaks.

http://img.techpowerup.org/110305/maxxmem1.png

couldnt say, I mean it was here in a few similar threads but don't recall which.



No way does that hold true. P67 boards are an incremental upgrade just like the cpus. The only X58 board I'd go to now would be one of those insanely expensive new gigabyte boards + a 990, but then again who would ever invest in a dead end platform now? So it's really only worth comparing the prior gen X58 boards. The only disadvantage of P67 is the pci-e bandwidth, which reviews have shown is often overcome by the cpu performance, so even multi-gpu users can benefit. You can even buy a NF200 P67 if you really want to make it a clear victory. And I wouldn't recommend an intel 6 core upgrade for a typical 1366 user. Don't be lazy. It's not the end of the world to swap out your motherboard. Paying $600 for a 6 core chip that loses 2/3 times to a chip half the price just doesn't make sense. It's cheaper to buy a notably more efficient sandybridge cpu/board combo and sell your old chip and board. The only exception is if you make heavy use of those few apps where the 6 core wins. Then sure, have at it, but otherwise go sandy or don't upgrade yet. That's just what makes sense.

Yes there is the fine tuning in Overclocking which is nice to have, what I find most important is the PCIe bandwidth (and this shouldn't really be overcome by CPU power as in most games an i7 920 OCed at 4ghz is much more than enough and IS NOT the bottleneck), The X58 platform has the option to upgrade to a 6-core while SB cannot (HUGE thing for me too), isn't memory voltage limited to lower than lga 1366? I thought that with an SB processor at the same clocks as the lga 1366 equivalent, memory performance was at par if not better with lga 1366, at least after some tweaking, thanks to the triple channel?

My point is that SB isn't much of an upgrade, especially considering that for 99.99999% of uses an i7 920 @ 4ghz is much more than enough CPU power-wise

 

[ckoons1]

what about water cooling? are there water blocks out for the p67 motherboard and 1155 socket? that would be the real hassle. re doing the water cooling but i have to tell you seeing 4.7 and 5ghz really is appealing

 

[GSquadron]

For me Biostar was always considered like a toy mobo, just like the chinese iPhone

 

[Feizy]

what about water cooling? are there water blocks out for the p67 motherboard and 1155 socket? that would be the real hassle. re doing the water cooling but i have to tell you seeing 4.7 and 5ghz really is appealing

LGA 1155 has the same hole pattern as LGA 1156. I had no problem with my HeatKiller LGA 1156 bracket and mounting hardware.

 

[ckoons1]

LGA 1155 has the same hole pattern as LGA 1156. I had no problem with my HeatKiller LGA 1156 bracket and mounting hardware.

only thing is mine is 1366

 

[Spectrum]

what about water cooling? are there water blocks out for the p67 motherboard and 1155 socket? that would be the real hassle. re doing the water cooling but i have to tell you seeing 4.7 and 5ghz really is appealing

you ask that question and then say your socket is 1366?