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I would upgrade that ram before worrying about a new graphics card, you should be at least running 4GB of DDR3 before considering upgrading your graphics card. Also I would look at a full system upgrade if you really want to get anything out of BF3 since a Core2Duo is not going to produce a very playable game even if it is combined with a GTX560.

he doesn't need DDR3. His board doesnt even support DDR3. if he got just 4gb kit of DDR2 at like 1066mhz. he would be fine. Overclock the E7600 to like 3.6 3.8ghz would also be a good idea
 
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That's what I am worrying
So will it happen if a GTX560 is working with my:
Gigabyte EP43-UD3L
E7600 core2duo 3.06ghz
Kingston DDR2 4GB
???

1) Your system is CPU limited. The only upgrade is to replace the system, as the 775 socket is dead.
2) 4 GB of RAM is a realistic minimum for anyone gaming.
3) The cost of DDR2 is rising, so the money spent on it may not be justifiable if you plan on a system upgrade.
4) BF3 will likely be "playable" with the system and a 560. This means very little eye candy, and lower resolutions if you don't want to do a system upgrade.
5) The 560 will increase performance. It will not increase performance dramatically, as the CPU will be holding it back.
6) As a video card upgrade is a reasonable investment, moving to the 560 is prudent. Even if you get a system upgrade, the 560 will be viable in the new system.


Squabbling about memory standards and speeds is something you don't need to do. The short of it is that you've got an older system. It needs a rework badly if you want to play around with other modern hardware and software. As only 5-10% of all software is designed to really max out modern hardware (GPGPU, 64 bit, multi-threaded, and the like) you will have to decide if upgrading and spending ~$600 is reasonable for an ~$60 game....
 
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1) Your system is CPU limited. The only upgrade is to replace the system, as the 775 socket is dead.
2) 4 GB of RAM is a realistic minimum for anyone gaming.
3) The cost of DDR2 is rising, so the money spent on it may not be justifiable if you plan on a system upgrade.
4) BF3 will likely be "playable" with the system and a 560. This means very little eye candy, and lower resolutions if you don't want to do a system upgrade.
5) The 560 will increase performance. It will not increase performance dramatically, as the CPU will be holding it back.
6) As a video card upgrade is a reasonable investment, moving to the 560 is prudent. Even if you get a system upgrade, the 560 will be viable in the new system.

Thank god, a non-retarded answer. :laugh:

The simple fact is this system is old, most modern GPU's will bottleneck, and in games like BF3 and BC2 which are rather CPU-heavy, your Dual-Core will probably struggle the most. As a frame of reference, I played the Beta with the system in my profile on High at 1920x1080 and was around 30-50fps. I think your best bet is saving for a rebuild, because anything else won't be cost effective. If you were to spend the $150~ for a Core2Quad it would only last you for like another year or so before it too was holding you back.
 

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1) Your system is CPU limited. The only upgrade is to replace the system, as the 775 socket is dead.
2) 4 GB of RAM is a realistic minimum for anyone gaming.
3) The cost of DDR2 is rising, so the money spent on it may not be justifiable if you plan on a system upgrade.
4) BF3 will likely be "playable" with the system and a 560. This means very little eye candy, and lower resolutions if you don't want to do a system upgrade.
5) The 560 will increase performance. It will not increase performance dramatically, as the CPU will be holding it back.
6) As a video card upgrade is a reasonable investment, moving to the 560 is prudent. Even if you get a system upgrade, the 560 will be viable in the new system.


Squabbling about memory standards and speeds is something you don't need to do. The short of it is that you've got an older system. It needs a rework badly if you want to play around with other modern hardware and software. As only 5-10% of all software is designed to really max out modern hardware (GPGPU, 64 bit, multi-threaded, and the like) you will have to decide if upgrading and spending ~$600 is reasonable for an ~$60 game....

What do u mean by lower resolution?
I will only play with 1680x1050.
Is it low enuf?
 
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I've played the BF3 beta on my current system (with my trusty 4890 at the time) and also on a similar system to yours (E7300 @ 3.8Ghz, HD4890 1GB)
On the E7300 it was horrible, constant slowdowns making it very choppy. Graphics settings were either low or medium quality. i7 + 4890 was very playable, so I have no doubt it was the processor struggling to keep up!
 
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I bought this machine 2 years ago

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Kingston DDR2 2GBx2
GTX260 DDR3 896mb

Yes I plan to upgrade the card for bf3 and I expect nothing more than averge FPS with medium or even low graphic quality.
Do you think it will work if I change my card from GTX260 to GTX560?

And what will happen if I don't remove my GTX260 and insert a new GTX560 and they work together? Is it possible? Will it bring better or worse outcome than using GTX560 only?

Thanks so much for helping and suggesting

If you can spend some money, I really recommend you to sell your system and buy a new one...

If you have a limited budget I recommend you to get a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 or a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9505 (these were the only ones I found available if you can find Core 2 Quad Q9500 it will be even cheaper, with similar performance), plus the graphics. However this will only last you 1 or 2 years at most.

But If you are on a super low budget putting the 560 will help you a lot.

PS: The ram you have is acceptable right now. But if you can get a pair of 1Gb to work with the ones you have, would also be a nice boost, and its cheap.
 
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PS: The ram you have is acceptable right now. But if you can get a pair of 1Gb to work with the ones you have, would also be a nice boost, and its cheap.

Not true, he would lose the dual channel functionality if he did this, which would hurt performance!
The only option would be to find an identical 2x2GB kit to the one you already have (assuming you have enough ram slots), then dual channel would be kept.
IMO don't bother investing any more money in SKT775, second hand Intel core i5 and newer will provide an incredible performance boost in games.
 
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Not true, he would lose the dual channel functionality if he did this, which would hurt performance!

actually he wouldn't....
you simply put the 2gb modules on the yellow banks and put the 1gb modules on the red banks (or vice versa) and they will keep the dual channel mode, If they have the same specs.

IMO don't bother investing any more money in SKT775, second hand Intel core i5 and newer will provide an incredible performance boost in games.
it depends on the budget we have to play with...


Ronarch how much money do we have?
 

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The money we have is...as least as possible :laugh:
Now I am locking my target as ASUS GTX560 ti

Only video card upgrade first this time and I will do the full set upgrade maybe in 6 or 9 months (other than the video card of coz)

What do you guys think about ASUS? Is there any obvious difference between the same models from different brands?

I am using 2 2GB DDR2 ram, that's 4 in total
Is someone suggesting me to get more ram or they misread as that I got 2gb ram only?
Since I think my 32bit window isn't going to care if I get more ram or not
 
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What do u mean by lower resolution?
I will only play with 1680x1050.
Is it low enuf?

The truth is that you've really got to ask yourself where the breakdown point is. You could well get away with 1680x1050, but you will have to crank the visual effects down. If you want to have the visual effects, you could crank the resolution a little lower. As the system you are dealing with is older, there is no magic bullet. Any numbers I come up with are, at absolute best, an educated guess. You'd have to fiddle with it to get any real answers.



Looking at this in the same light, through a slightly different lense:

Cost of a 560 ti ~ $200
Cost of more RAM ~ $80 (2GBx2)

Cost of a new Mobo ~ $70
Cost of a new CPU ~ $215 (2500k all the way)
Cost of new RAM ~ $60 (4GBx2)

The difference in pricing, assuming you salvage everything but the above from your current rig is about $60, or the price of a single video game. Is it really something you should give more than an afterthought to? Even if you don't get a new graphics card, the 260 will no longer be bottlenecked, and you should wind up with a generally more responsive system.



Note: This all hinges on a 64 bit OS. If you're still running on a 32 bit then you should knock the RAM down to 4GB, as it's all you'll be able to use. Additionally, you will likely have to reinstall your OS with the proposed upgrade. Be warned.



Edit: Your english is making it difficult to understand you at times. While no insult is intended, it is something that you should be aware of whenever someone gives you an answer that seems odd to you. Having english as my primary language, this is a point that is often lost amongst those I know.

Additionally, you've made not mention of the 32 bit OS until I began writing this post originally. Hence, my comments about the RAM. While misguided due to a lack of knowledge at the time, they still apply.
 
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That's what I am worrying
So will it happen if a GTX560 is working with my:
Gigabyte EP43-UD3L
E7600 core2duo 3.06ghz
Kingston DDR2 4GB
???

To cut a long story short.

The GTX 560 is plenty to play BF3 at high settings. However the Core 2 Duo is going to stop you from playing at anything other than low/medium/low with choppy frame rates. My mate had a Core 2 Duo and the BF3 beta ran like Sh|t due to CPU bottlenecking. Whereas I was seeing smooth frame rates at high. My friend has gone onto upgrade to an i5 and the bottleneck has gone and he is enjoying high settings too.
 
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See if you can dog a cheap quad core in your mobo mate and then get your 560. Should be fine 4 the settings u want.:)
 

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Thanks a lot bros.
Ya sorry for my odd English....But I really appreciate your suggetions and answers. :respect:
Wish I will have higher budget to get full system renewed in a couple of months.

I've bought ASUS GTX560 ti and plugged it on.
Runs high setting well in bfbc2...hope it does the same under low/medium setting in bf3
One more day and I will know...

One stupid question, how can I see my in-game frame rate? :roll:
 
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Thanks a lot bros.
Ya sorry for my odd English....But I really appreciate your suggetions and answers. :respect:
Wish I will have higher budget to get full system renewed in a couple of months.

I've bought ASUS GTX560 ti and plugged it on.
Runs high setting well in bfbc2...hope it does the same under low/medium setting in bf3
One more day and I will know...

One stupid question, how can I see my in-game frame rate? :roll:

First priority should of been the CPU. BF3 absolutely hates dual core.

Download an application called Fraps and it'll show your frame rate.

http://www.fraps.com/
 

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I've played the game already.
I got around 3x fps at low / med setting ... the difference is small between these 2 settings.
Sometimes it gets 4x , and when the screen gets blastings in it, it drops to 2x.
Overall it's playable, but the loading time is indeed killing.

Thanks again guys...
 

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ok for the 775 the fastest you can get is a C2 Q Extreme.

Other Upgrades are as follows

Socket 1155- 2500K or 2600K

Am3+ X2 555/560/565 BE, X4 955/965/970/975/980 BE, X6 BE 1090T/1100T, or FX 8120/8150.

2011- TBD.

All these sockets support DDR3
 
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Does getting a new CPU requires a new MB too?

To clarify on what eidairaman1 said.

If you decide to keep your existing motherboard and memory (DDR2) I would recommend getting a Q9xxx range CPU (maybe Q8xxx if you OC). With the CPU upgrade and a Nvidia 560ti I see no reason why you couldnt run the game on Medium/high setting/very high settings at a respectable frame rate 40FPS+ @ a resolution of below 1680x1050. I would check ebay for a cheap deal on a quadcore. If you can't find anything cheap you might be better off changing boards for a more modern CPU like the Phenom II X6 or i5 2500k/i7 2600k.

Edit:

I'm not sure what your memory situation is. But when I was experimenting with the BF3 beta I noticed more than 4GBs was being used under Windows Vista. If you can upgrade to 6GBs or 8GBs its to your advantage, but certainly the CPU is the highest priority,
 
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I'm not sure what your memory situation is. But when I was experimenting with the BF3 beta I noticed more than 4GBs was being used under Windows Vista. If you can upgrade to 6GBs or 8GBs its to your advantage, but certainly the CPU is the highest priority,

You should really read the other posts. You cannot address more than 4GB of RAM in a 32 bit OS. The OP stated that this was the case on this page of the thread, though not in the original post.

Even if the OP gets 32 gigs of RAM, it won't help.



Additionally, a q9xxx is going for over $150 on ebay right now. Spending that much on a dead socket seems to be like throwing money away.
 
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maybe something like a q6600 go and overclock it to 3 - 3.2ghz extra 2 cores, change to 64bit os maybe a cheap option , but bf3 @ 1920x1200 at max settings with af etc on gtx 560 ti whatever the cpu sounds abit ambitious.
 
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You should really read the other posts. You cannot address more than 4GB of RAM in a 32 bit OS. The OP stated that this was the case on this page of the thread, though not in the original post.

Even if the OP gets 32 gigs of RAM, it won't help.

Additionally, a q9xxx is going for over $150 on ebay right now. Spending that much on a dead socket seems to be like throwing money away.

In which case the OP is "better off changing boards for a more modern CPU like the Phenom II X6 or i5 2500k/i7 2600k" - Maybe jumping to a x64 OS should be considered too.
 

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Power Supply Antec 550W
You guys are really helpful...No such detailed answers I could get on the forum in my own country. :respect:

So I have a GTX560 ti now.
Let say I have a budget of around $500-550
Which MB , CPU and RAM (and maybe HD) should I spend on to match with the GPU?

Are below parts okay?
Is there any waste of function or rescource considering I am using win7 32bit?

ASRock Z68 Pro3
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3Ghz
Kingston Hyper-X DDR-3 1600MHz 4G Kit (2Gx2) KHX1600C9D3X2K2/4GX
 
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Memory 2 x 16 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3200mhz
Video Card(s) SAPPHIRE Toxic Radeon RX 6900 XT WC
Storage Corsair MP600 + 2xSamsung 860 Evo + Samsung 950 Pro + Others
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Software Windows 10 Pro
the parts you listed are OK,

Just be a man and change the damn OS to 64Bit.
 
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