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also onthe main page my Draw goes from 2.5A to 5.5A.. seems a bit low for a card that requires 34A on 12V rail... but I dont know
 

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is this what your looking for?


also onthe main page my Draw goes from 2.5A to 5.5A.. seems a bit low for a card that requires 34A on 12V rail... but I dont know

the draw goes up from when you start useing 3d things games/atitool fuzzy cube etc.

:eek: yep your volts are to low this is what mines at at 3d
 

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Interesting I can set the voltages to that of yours and it doesnt reset when I run 3D at 621/900 but it sytill seems unstable So is this a Powersupply issue than or not

FYI the power supply im using does not have a dedicated 6pin PCI-E rail im using an adapter with a standard 4pin molex rail
 
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Simple question :)

Do you think the Sapphire X1950XTX has the very same cooler of the 1950XT 256MB?
 

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Not sure but If I we're you i'd stay away from saphire all together, their Cards runs at a higher temp than that of HIS
 

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Interesting I can set the voltages to that of yours and it doesnt reset when I run 3D at 621/900 but it sytill seems unstable So is this a Powersupply issue than or not

FYI the power supply im using does not have a dedicated 6pin PCI-E rail im using an adapter with a standard 4pin molex rail

why do you think its unstable? what is it doing that makes you think that?

and i cant tell you if the adapter is the prob. never used one before sorry
 

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Simple question :)

Do you think the Sapphire X1950XTX has the very same cooler of the 1950XT 256MB?

:wtf: no XT's have the same as the 1900's did
 

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It atifacts for one and resuming fro mthe screensaver is very messed up makes the screen very artifacted for a breif moment.. so im not sure... those voltage levels are those stock or did you modify those on your own?

Also, When the voltage is turned up and im running the fuzzy cube thing at 621/900 its really jittery and not fluent and also the draw is at 27.5A whats your run at?
 
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It atifacts for one and resuming fro mthe screensaver is very messed up makes the screen very artifacted for a breif moment.. so im not sure... those voltage levels are those stock or did you modify those on your own?

Also, When the voltage is turned up and im running the fuzzy cube thing at 621/900 its really jittery and not fluent and also the draw is at 27.5A whats your run at?

the voltage are stock 3D volts, and on draw I get 27.3A and 24.5A it changes back and forward

also when I run the fuzzy dice try not to have you pointer on anything that would bring up text, cuz mine starts to kind of skips when I would put it on atitool on the temps and the text would come out then it would start skiping

and the artifacts does it just happens when atitool open ? try running some beanch marks and see if you get any artifacts like 3DMARK 05,06 for examples
 

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I will try 3dmark05 as soon as it download here, however im pretty sure that this is a Inadequate power supply problem here
 

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Hi,
I have been reading the Sapphire forum and others and making occasional posts for some time now (since early Jan) I really hope someone out there can suggest something that I haven't read (and tried) on any of the many forums I have combed through looking for an answers. I've piled hours and hours into this card and I'm at the end of my teather. I have been waiting for the DFI street forum to re open, as I think I may have an incompatability, or as least there may be some advice here that I cant get elsewhere re motherboard compatability. So please be patient and read this carefully I know its alot of info but I dont want to have to repeat myself too much. Here's the story so far.

The problem. No POST except twice ever.

When I have had the card running, it works like a dream, and temperatures are well below anything that would cause concern.

I've used-
HIPER Type R 580wPSU - no post no fans, didnt even work with my geforce 6800gt. RMAd, and refunded.

Corsaire HX620W - Runs system with my old card fine, No post beep but all fans 100%, just a black screen.
Cleared Bios -nothing
Tried with no CD, DVD, Sound card, just one stick of ram and graphics - NO Post.
changed ram bank and module around, NO Post
changed leads to PSU around in every combo on every connector- nope

Played with Bios settings- Init Display First - tried every option - nothing

RMAd and refunded


Finally Liberty Enermax 620W and POST and played for 3-4 hours with 1950pro -no artifacts and delighted.
restarted several times no problem BUT powered off, powered on and ,,, no POST

Tried with no CD, DVD, Sound card, just one stick of ram and graphics - NO Post.
changed ram bank and module around, NO Post
changed leads to PSU around in every combo on every connector- nope

Played with Bios settings- Init Display First - tried every option - nothing


re-installed latest mobo bios and chipset drivers- nothing

Checked the heatsink is contacting the memory properly and it is.

RMA'd the card back to Overclockers. Who tested it (probably once) got it to post and run 3dmark and sent it back.

Installed the card as before (uninstalling my Nvidia card, using driver cleaner pro in safe mode as appropriate) nothing.
Powered off then on and CARD POSTS FINE! with all my ram and devices plugged in. I installed the drivers off the CD and had a fantastic 4 hours play loving it! Updated to the 7.1 catalyst and restarted and everything.

Powered off, powered on and - NO POST..
Tried about 50 times. no joy..

Submitted a support ticket to Sapphire asking whether the card requires you to manually set AGP drive strength. see below quote re what that is, but this is clutching at straws and I dont expect that to get an answer.-
"This BIOS feature will only be activated if you set the AGP Drive Strength BIOS feature to Manual. It determines the N transistor drive strength of the AGP bus.
The drive strength is represented by Hex values from 0 to F (0 to 15 in decimal). The higher the drive strength, the greater the compensation for the motherboard's impedance on the AGP bus.
In conjunction with AGP Drive Strength and AGP Drive Strength P Ctrl, this function is used to bypass AGP dynamic compensation in cases where the auto-compensation circuitry cannot provide adequate compensation. Please check with your graphics card manufacturer if your card requires the N transistor drive strength to be manually set."


I am so sick and tired of all this f-ing around but i cant get a refund and I would rather not loose the £140 on top of the phone bills and delivery costs for all the returns I've had to do.

Please help because this is a fantastic card and all I read are people having minor issues but then solving them or getting new and perfectly functional cards and LOVIng it.. I BEG you to help me as this is the last chance before I take a hammer to the card and despair.
 

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Firstly could you go to "user CP" and post your full system specs there , it makes it easier for people not to have to read the post over and over.

You seem convinced it's the 1950Pro yet you have thrown so many other ingredients into the pot so that may well be uncertain, for example, system didnt work with Hyper 580 so you RMA'd it, you have tried the 6800 and no post etc, etc, as you have probably gathered it makes it so much more difficult to pin down when you put so many options in the hardware basket so to speak.

On the surface of it I would say that you could have a motherboard fault, bad bridge connection or something that intermittently is letting power thru to chips/controllers on the board or it could be a faulty mainboard power connector that occasional gives contact. If you have tried the 6800 in there and it's not worked could even be a faulty PCI-E slot.

When you have cleared CMOS on the many attempts have you removed battery also? Silly I know but I assume when you have "played with BIOS" you have Primary graphics set to PCI-E and not PCI?

With your specs up we can check motherboard and the rest so idea's might start coming in.
 

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@ Dom

I tried running 3dmark 05 and when i start the benchmarking the systems freezes and reboots :cry:
 

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@ Dom

I tried running 3dmark 05 and when i start the benchmarking the systems freezes and reboots :cry:

well can you try another PSU? cuz you OC on your CPU is 100% stable right ?
 

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yea my cpu is 100% stable never crashes the OS.. however i was running 3dmark05 on Vista now that im back on xp x64 im going to try it one more time
 
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Sorry guys who haven't been added... I got shaped and yeh T_T... also I'm too busy atm.

K... Dynamos, Vista will not allow 3DMark05 do some of the benchmarking because Vista thinks the procedures may involve "non premium content".
 

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im installing MCE 2005 on a friends PC at the moment and I will be installnig 3dmark05 on my pc afterwards, i'll post the results after:)
 

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Hi Tatty, long time no see well. now you know why!! lol the CPU Still runs nicely at 2400 normal volts thanking you kindly! But obviously not when trying to install the new card (iust stock all attempts)!
I've had my system spex in User CP for a while- doesn't it show ? Well I've just changed my signature so it should follow my posts now. In answer to your questions:
Yes I tried every PSU with my old setup and the HIper didnt work with it but the others worked fine.
Yes I took the battery out when clearing the CMOS.
Whats next? or would you indeed now conclude its the motherboard fault?
 

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Hi Tatty, long time no see well. now you know why!! lol the CPU Still runs nicely at 2400 normal volts thanking you kindly! But obviously not when trying to install the new card (iust stock all attempts)!
I've had my system spex in User CP for a while- doesn't it show ? Well I've just changed my signature so it should follow my posts now. In answer to your questions:
Yes I tried every PSU with my old setup and the HIper didnt work with it but the others worked fine.
Yes I took the battery out when clearing the CMOS.
Whats next? or would you indeed now conclude its the motherboard fault?

Ohhh it's you! I am starting to think it may be the motherboard, I went through some similar grief last summer, what you need to do is go thru all the variables so everything needs to go to stock, all timings and volts on "auto". You then need to borrow a graphics card for half an hour and see if the system will boot, if it will, fine then its prob your card if not then go thru the process disconnecting periphials, using one stick of ram and if still no posts then its likely to be mainboard.
 

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Ohhh it's you! I am starting to think it may be the motherboard, I went through some similar grief last summer, what you need to do is go thru all the variables so everything needs to go to stock, all timings and volts on "auto". You then need to borrow a graphics card for half an hour and see if the system will boot, if it will, fine then its prob your card if not then go thru the process disconnecting periphials, using one stick of ram and if still no posts then its likely to be mainboard.

Yes its meeeee. I've done that, I have my old card and it does post fine, as i say, theres no problem with the system as is, nor any ram module, I've benched and stressed everything during my overclocking exploits. Now I have everything set to stock and I've gone through the process above and nada. :(

EDIT: Just got off the phone with Overclockers and they say they probably wouldnt have powered off and then on again when testing, so I got them to issue me another RMA. We will see if I send it or not, in the mene time any more suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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Looks like rma time then I am afraid, ask for your money back and I'll let you have a brand new (warranty return) 1950XT or worse case 1800XT for cheaper :D

You gotta watch them ATi cards tho, they can be a bit dodgy!
 

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Looks like rma time then I am afraid, ask for your money back and I'll let you have a brand new (warranty return) 1950XT or worse case 1800XT for cheaper :D

You gotta watch them ATi cards tho, they can be a bit dodgy!

AGP?
 

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Power Issues

Hey everybody!

sorry to be a pain, im sure this has been covered before, but i just got myself a PowerColor X1950PRO (AGP) and i went to install it last night only to find the box had some ridiculously high power requirements on it!! My PSU is pretty weak, 350W with 15A on the 12V rail and i kinda knew i needed a new one before i could use this card and 450W is not excessive but 30A?!?! Where the HELL am i gonna find a PSU that will give me 30A! The highest i can find (at a reasonable price) is 500W and 25A on the 12V rail.. Will this PSU drive my card or do i really need 30A? If so, where should i look for one cuz i live in Perth, Western Australia (the biggest small town in the world, for all of you who have never been here :p ) and there are a few decent computer shops but i cant find a PSU that powerful! Also, i dont wanna end up spending as much as i spent on the card on a new PSU!

Please help! This is really annoying me!!

Thanks in advance
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