motherboard drm protection?

[Sean8]

Does this have anything to do with cinavia and playing copied backup blu-rays that I own?

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z68V_PROGEN3/#specifications

Realtek® ALC892 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
- Supports : Jack-detection, Multi-streaming, Front Panel Jack-retasking
Audio Feature :
- Absolute Pitch 192kHz/ 24-bit True BD Lossless Sound
- Blu-ray audio layer Content Protection
- DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC
- Optical S/PDIF out port(s) at back panel

 

[temp02]

My best guess is that you can't record the stream of audio being played, if it comes from an (original) Blu-Ray.

 

[wickerman]

It is probably nothing specific to ASUS or DRM, but more so to do with the Realtek ALC892 chipset itself, which does allow for lossless playback of HD audio under certain conditions. I don't think it has anything to do with Cinavia.

My understanding was that Cinavia was an audio watermark anyway and would work independent of codecs and audio hardware. Apparently even crappy mics can pick up the watermark and it stays through compression and re-encoding but only effects devices like the PS3 and dedicated bluray machines. But my knowledge is limited to what I've read up out of boredom while ripping my bluray collection to my server

 

[Sean8]

Hoping someone can chime in that has a motherboard with this feature and has some cinavia or blu ray copied dvds to see if the digital watermark stops the audio from being played.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

~Sigh~

There is currently no special DRM protection on motherboards, but given the plans of Big Media this may not be true forever.

The reason this appears on the Motherboard is that you can use onboard audio and video. In order to get the highest quality audio playback you need to have digitally signed hardware (thank you DRM embedded in the HDMI standard). This feature lets you have everything that a blu-ray can offer, without an external graphics or sound card.

 

[Sean8]

~Sigh~

There is currently no special DRM protection on motherboards, but given the plans of Big Media this may not be true forever.

The reason this appears on the Motherboard is that you can use onboard audio and video. In order to get the highest quality audio playback you need to have digitally signed hardware (thank you DRM embedded in the HDMI standard). This feature lets you have everything that a blu-ray can offer, without an external graphics or sound card.

So what happens if youre playing a blu-ray dvd that is a backup copy, I'm assuming it wont use the highest quality audio or none at all?

 

[qubit]

Blu-ray is DRM encrusted to the hilt, so there's no way to legally back it up or copy any part of it, including the sound only.

All that feature basically says is that it can play DRM'd Blu-ray discs in some way or other.

Those backups you have, if they're of the standard Hollywood movie variety, will have been cracked with some program before the copy was made and are as such, illegal. (This copy protection is all BS in my view, but that's a subject for another thread, lol).

 

[Aquinus]

I think he is talking about HDCP.

 

[qubit]

I think he is talking about HDCP.

Sure, it's all part of the same chain of DRM.

 

[Sean8]

I'm just trying to figure out if my audio will get cut out when I play backed up isos on my htcp due to drm protection/cinavia/hdcp

 

[qubit]

How are you making those backups? Are they pirate copies off the internet or are you using a program to rip them off the disc?

 

[INSTG8R]

The long and the short of it is, it's called Copy Protection for a reason...

 

[Sean8]

The long and the short of it is, it's called Copy Protection for a reason...

Yea but from what I understand you can backup dvds u own im sorry but going thru 100s of dvds to find the one u want is alot harder than putting them onto the computer and sorting them on my htpc

How are you making those backups? Are they pirate copies off the internet or are you using a program to rip them off the disc?

i backup the dvd to iso to put on my htpc and stream it blu-ray/dvd with dvdfab

 

[qubit]

I couldn't agree more that you should be allowed to legally back up your own DVDs and Blu-rays. However, the law is written by corrupt politicians controlled by their Big Media masters, so doing this is illegal.

Your copies will be stripped of DRM by dvdfab, so that Blu-ray audio function you pointed out will be irrelevant.

btw I've got this mobo and it's excellent. If you're considering it, just get it.

 

[Sean8]

I couldn't agree more that you should be allowed to legally back up your own DVDs and Blu-rays. However, the law is written by corrupt politicians controlled by their Big Media masters, so doing this is illegal.

Your copies will be stripped of DRM by dvdfab, so that Blu-ray audio function you pointed out will be irrelevant.

btw I've got this mobo and it's excellent. If you're considering it, just get it.

Actually all blu-ray discs are going to have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia and im just trying to figure out if this motherboard does it on a hardware level its so vague it tells you nothing. Asus customer support was pointless too. Hoping someone that actually has this motherboard and has an htpc that backs up their dvds could chime in...

 

[qubit]

Actually all blu-ray discs are going to have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

I ddin't know about this. This sh*t just gets worse, doesn't it? Anyway, if it needs stripping, anydvd or similar software will do this, so you still don't have to bother with it. Or put it this way, leaving 50% of the protection on will trip the playback hardware/software to block you because the DRM trust chain is broken. Hence, all DRM will be removed by these utilities.

Note that discussing ways to get round these copy protections on here is frowned upon by the rules/mods though, so be careful what you say.

 

[Sean8]

I ddin't know about this. This sh*t just gets worse, doesn't it? Anyway, if it needs stripping, anydvd or similar software will do this, so you still don't have to bother with it. Or put it this way, leaving 50% of the protection on will trip the playback hardware/software to block you because the DRM trust chain is broken. Hence, all DRM will be removed by these utilities.

Note that discussing ways to get round these copy protections on here is frowned upon by the rules/mods though, so be careful what you say.

Cinavia is a digital watermark embedded into the audio, it can't be removed when you put it into a player that has cinavia protection your audio will cutout when it realizes the watermark isnt there. Anyway could a mod close this I feel like its going too off topic. If anyone wants to pm me that has this motherboard or one that has this feel free to pm me...

 

[CJCerny]

Any audio/video that has had the DRM removed from it will play back without issue. The Realtek driver for the audio on your motherboard supports playback of tracks with and without DRM at their top resolution. I have no issues with playback on my Realtek 892 on my Asrock motherboard. The DRM feature is just there to make sure that you can real the full res audio on discs that still have the DRM on them. Without that DRM support, you would be limited to 16/48 playback of audio on discs with DRM. Naturually, you must also posses playback software that supports 24/192 playback.

 

[Sean8]

Any audio/video that has had the DRM removed from it will play back without issue. The Realtek driver for the audio on your motherboard supports playback of tracks with and without DRM at their top resolution. I have no issues with playback on my Realtek 892 on my Asrock motherboard. The DRM feature is just there to make sure that you can real the full res audio on discs that still have the DRM on them. Without that DRM support, you would be limited to 16/48 playback of audio on discs with DRM.

what motherboard do you have?

 

[CJCerny]

Asrock Z68 Pro3-M. Suspect your Asus would work in exactly the same fashion. The driver is not going to stop you from playing content that lost its DRM in some fashion along the way. It is only there to ensure that you can play the full res of discs that still have their DRM.

 

[Sean8]

alright cool gonna have a mod close, ill pm u if i have more questions

 

[Aquinus]

HDCP only encrypts the data that gets sent from your computer to the device (display or receiver,) it doesn't actually do anything to the data itself on your computer. The idea here is that you can't put a device in-between to directly rip the data as its being sent over the cable. There really isn't anything to worry about here unless you copy the data being sent to your display while you're watching a movie or something.

It's just a standard because real Blu-Ray discs actually require a secure connection between the display/receiver and the device that is rendering the movie/content.

Honestly, this should be completely transparent to 99.9% of users.