New member and ask for some advises

[RCoon]

Get a 780 and then SLI 2 of them together. Titan is a colossal waste of extra money at this point, two 780's will perform better than a 690, as it is merely two 680 cores. Any more than two 780's and you will start to see some games experiencing issue, and in some minor cases worse performance. 3 cards dont scale so well.

 

[Arabicuser]

Get a 780 and then SLI 2 of them together. Titan is a colossal waste of extra money at this point, two 780's will perform better than a 690, as it is merely two 680 cores. Any more than two 780's and you will start to see some games experiencing issue, and in some minor cases worse performance. 3 cards dont scale so well.

I see, then what about 2 Titan's or 2 690's?

2 780 will give me above 1 Titan or 1 690, but then 3 780 will not get me more benefit, what about 2 Titan or 2 690 against say 2 780 or 3 780?

 

[RCoon]

A 780 overclocked slightly equals a Titan in performance, for 2/3's of the price, its a no brainer.
2 690's will run horribly bad, quad SLI wont be supported well in all games, and the scaling wont be 100%, probably not much higher than 50% scaling either.
2 780's would net the most benefit I think, and have better support. Titan's days are over.

 

[Arabicuser]

A 780 overclocked slightly equals a Titan in performance, for 2/3's of the price, its a no brainer.
2 690's will run horribly bad, quad SLI wont be supported well in all games, and the scaling wont be 100%, probably not much higher than 50% scaling either.
2 780's would net the most benefit I think, and have better support. Titan's days are over.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780/images/perf_oc.gif

Well, you posted only 1 test, i saw many tests and i found that Titan and 690 won of most tests, i will not based my choice on only Battelfield 3 or Crysis 3, i will play many many games including Battelfield 3 and Far Cry 3 and and even Battelfield 4 when it will be out and also this new recently game of Metro, Also i have programs to use not only games, sure games and 3D Mark II for examples.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-TITAN-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-6.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-10.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-14.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-18.html

 

[RCoon]

Well, you posted only 1 test, i saw many tests and i found that Titan and 690 won of most tests, i will not based my choice on only Battelfield 3 or Crysis 3, i will play many many games including Battelfield 3 and Far Cry 3 and and even Battelfield 4 when it will be out and also this new recently game of Metro, Also i have programs to use not only games, sure games and 3D Mark II for examples.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-TITAN-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-6.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-10.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-14.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-18.html

690 is an old generation, and Titan is surpassed in price/perf quite heavily by the 780. Two 780's beat a 690 (a dual gpu card). Any Titan owner on here will tell you the 780 is the way to go. This is merely my advice, choosing the 690 or Titan would be a poor decision over the 780.

EDIT: 780 SLI latency is also better than the Titan SLI setup.

 

[Arabicuser]

690 is an old generation, and Titan is surpassed in price/perf quite heavily by the 780. A single 780 beats a 690 (a dual gpu card). Any Titan owner on here will tell you the 780 is the way to go. This is merely my advice, choosing the 690 or Titan would be a poor decision over the 780.

Well, in fact i am not planning on 690 even i included it here, but the tests above shows that for 1 single it is coming handy, but for multiple then Titan is the winner, so in both cases, if i only choose one then Titan is winner, if i choose 2 also Titan is winner, only 2 780 will outperform 1 Titan, but 2 Titan will outperform 2 780, but now you said that 3 780 is not good to go, either 2 Titan or 2 780 [690 is out], so between 2 780 and 2 Titan, which one will you choose?

 

[Arabicuser]

I said 2 because it is the maximum i can go if 1 card will cost $1000, but if one card will cost say $500-600 then i can buy 3, but 3 SLI from what i hear is not good even if the card is powerful?

 

[RCoon]

Well, in fact i am not planning on 690 even i included it here, but the tests above shows that for 1 single it is coming handy, but for multiple then Titan is the winner, so in both cases, if i only choose one then Titan is winner, if i choose 2 also Titan is winner, only 2 780 will outperform 1 Titan, but 2 Titan will outperform 2 780, but now you said that 3 780 is not good to go, either 2 Titan or 2 780 [690 is out], so between 2 780 and 2 Titan, which one will you choose?

780. The performance difference is minor, the price difference is phenominal. If you have more money than sense, by all means go for a Titan or two, they are targeted at high budgeted users.
If you can afford two titans, get two titans.

 

[Arabicuser]

780. The performance difference is minor, the price difference is phenominal. If you have more money than sense, by all means go for a Titan or two, they are targeted at high budgeted users.
If you can afford two titans, get two titans.

I can afford 2 Titan, but honestly speaking, i was thinking about 3 780 as this will be cheaper than 2 Titans, but 3 SLI is not guarantee will have a great performance, then it means i will be fine with 2 Titans.

Let's make it more clear or easier, if i decide to play games on 3 monitors [say 27" each] at maximum highest settings, will 2 780 be sufficient or even 2 Titan will have edge or limit?

 

[Arabicuser]

27" is just an example, i may decide on 3 24" or 3 30" depends on what i will find and on my budget in the future, once i decide on which size then i will buy 2 same sizes rather than different sizes of monitors, and we all know that going with multiple screens will announce GPU screaming.

 

[RCoon]

I can afford 2 Titan, but honestly speaking, i was thinking about 3 780 as this will be cheaper than 2 Titans, but 3 SLI is not guarantee will have a great performance, then it means i will be fine with 2 Titans.

Let's make it more clear or easier, if i decide to play games on 3 monitors [say 27" each] at maximum highest settings, will 2 780 be sufficient or even 2 Titan will have edge or limit?

I'm fairly certain both setups will achieve similar fps on 3 monitors, if each monitor is 1080p. Titan will have better performance, but 60fps wont be constant on either setup. There will always be room for improvement on 5760 x 3240. You might be looking at 10~ fps difference between 2 titans and 2 780's.

 

[ne6togadno]

Well, i would like to discuss those points then, i didn't or can't change things from my OP so far.

1. I have that Patriot for my 1st rig only, and that is 2133, for my second and 3rd rigs in fact i bought that Corsair DP 1600MHz as 32GB and they are still in my temporary computer of 3930K and GA-X79-UD5, but i will take them out and split them for 2nd and 3rd rgs so both will have 16GB, then why to have higher than 1600MHz on both? I will not OC both, very rare i may try on the 3rd as xx70K is better for OC, but i am sure they will be on base speed, is it really worth to have 1866 or higher if i will not OC and my kids don't care much about so high performance?

specifications say that both cpus run up to 1600mhz ram but that doesnt mean that if you put 1866 or 2100 they wont run better.
this is like to buy ferrari and to drive it only on 1st gear.
kids dont care about perofmance now but after an year when they cant play some game they will start whine that they whant new pc.

2. I can't change as long i bought them, unless if i do a crazy thing, that is to take 660 and 650 and use them both as SLI on 3rd rig, and buy 2 770 as you said for 2nd rig, 1st rig will be another level, but i feel that 2nd and 3rd are not my so extreme use as first even if they have some good high components, later in the future i can upgrade, but for now i think 660Ti and 650Ti will be more than enough, my 1st build will have only Titan/690 level [maybe 2 780 if that is better than 1 Titan].

you cant have sli from 650 and 660. my idea was if it is possible to return 650 and 660 to the shop and take 2x770 (1 for each rig) paying only difference. but since you plan to upgrade in futer then cards you have now will hold it till upgrade.

3. Well, i would like to read more about that NAS network, but i don't think i want to put too much for my kids PC, i may add another 120-128 SSD, but i am not planning to buy 2TB or WD black for them yet, i am buying 2TB tomorrow for my 1st build, also i am planning to place an order online for another 256GB SSD for it as i think 1 256GB may not be enough if i will put OS+games+apps all in it and storage on HDD, i feel why not have another SSD for games and keep that one 256 for OS+apps, i can go with 128GB but i found a deal that will end soon 2 days for Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, so i think i better go with that deal and have ore space over 128GB, and your point about NAS taking my thinking, i can buy 2x 2TB WD black caviar for my 1st build and have that NAS if it will give me a nice advantage or performance for my use, just i want more details about it as i am not aware about NAS usage and which device, i saw them before like Drobo but very expensive path.

NAS mean Network Attached Storage. this is separe computer specialy designed to run only hdds with or w/o raid. this is like file server but in smaller scale. on those devices you can setup user pofiles and access permisions (you can setup what your kids can see and what cant), store backups of ssds, stream movies to TV etc.
here http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=NAS&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date you can check reviews of nas drives.
some of new models arnt reviewed yet. you can search for synology DS213j, qnap TS-212, and i think TS 213 is avialble as well, asustor also has 2 bay NAS but cant remeber model.
point here is to remove old hdds from your rigs and put them in separete pc (NAS). this way they wont slow down your rigs.
what size disks you put in your rigs depends on how you are going to use them.
also if you havnt installed ssds so far you can find good starter guid here http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?110371-ABC-GUIDE-New-Build-2013 it starts with ocz drives but all other things like os install and tweeks (except firmware update) are valid for all ssds

edit:
before you go 3+ monitors setup check on 2 monitors if you are ok with that black line from monitor housing in the middle of your view. you can always add aditional card and buy more monitors later.

 

[Arabicuser]

I'm fairly certain both setups will achieve similar fps on 3 monitors, if each monitor is 1080p. Titan will have better performance, but 60fps wont be constant on either setup. There will always be room for improvement on 5760 x 3240. You might be looking at 10~ fps difference between 2 titans and 2 780's.

I see, it is really a tough decision, 2 Titan is way over price but the performance is another another class, 2 780 are very tempting price and performance, but against 2 Titans it will have its limit no doubt.

specifications say that both cpus run up to 1600mhz ram but that doesnt mean that if you put 1866 or 2100 they wont run better.
this is like to buy ferrari and to drive it only on 1st gear.
kids dont care about perofmance now but after an year when they cant play some game they will start whine that they whant new pc.




you cant have sli from 650 and 660. my idea was if it is possible to return 650 and 660 to the shop and take 2x770 (1 for each rig) paying only difference. but since you plan to upgrade in futer then cards you have now will hold it till upgrade.



NAS mean Network Attached Storage. this is separe computer specialy designed to run only hdds with or w/o raid. this is like file server but in smaller scale. on those devices you can setup user pofiles and access permisions (you can setup what your kids can see and what cant), store backups of ssds, stream movies to TV etc.
here http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/?category=NAS&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date you can check reviews of nas drives.
some of new models arnt reviewed yet. you can search for synology DS213j, qnap TS-212, and i think TS 213 is avialble as well, asustor also has 2 bay NAS but cant remeber model.
point here is to remove old hdds from your rigs and put them in separete pc (NAS). this way they wont slow down your rigs.
what size disks you put in your rigs depends on how you are going to use them.
also if you havnt installed ssds so far you can find good starter guid here http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?110371-ABC-GUIDE-New-Build-2013 it starts with ocz drives but all other things like os install and tweeks (except firmware update) are valid for all ssds

For the RAM, well, i have no choice, i have the memories and i must use them, i am still use that Corsair Dominator Platinum on my temporary PC, do you think then i better put that Patriot 2133 each 16GB on 2nd and 3rd and keep that Corsair Dominator 32GB for my 1st build?

About the cards, they are young and they don't care about which settings, i never see them trying to set for best or highest performance, so i am sure 650 will be fine, but i was thinking again, as long you mentioned that 770, then i was thinking if i can use that 660Ti with 650Ti on 3rd rig for kids and i buy one 770 for my 2nd rig, or should i buy 770 for my kids PC and add that 650Ti on 660Ti for my 2nd rig?

I will read more about NAS, also i will read about SSD tweaking, i want to have the best out of it if possible.

Thank you very much!

 

[RCoon]

I am now at the lest step, getting a GPU, but now i left with 3 options, i would like some help or guide for my final decision.

I want to buy a strong GPU and i narrowed my choice to one of the following 3:

1. GTX Titan

2. GTX 690 [in many tests i saw, this card even beating the Titan on some benchmarks, so it is to be considered as well]

3. 2 GTX 780, because it is cheaper than 2 above i can manage to get 2, in fact i can even get 3 but only 2 now and the other after 2-3 months by now

In all cases, the budget of above is in range of $1000-1300

I am not sure if SLI is a good idea as i heard even it may increase performance but it will have some issues and it will not increase by double i know, but i have to choose something that will last me for at least 3 years, after 3 years who knows what will be there.

If you ask about how many monitors as usual question then i said i may go up to 3, believe me, if i can go up to 5 i will do, so i want to get an overkill card now that will handle any addition in the future rather than i buy something cheaper and then later i have to change card because i add more resolutions.

2 780 SLI > 1 Titan.
SLI is not as bad as you think for 2 cards, it only starts to suffer with 3 or more cards.

 

[Arabicuser]

2 780 SLI > 1 Titan.
SLI is not as bad as you think for 2 cards, it only starts to suffer with 3 or more cards.

When you mention 2 780 SLI then i can also say 2 Titan SLI, then here compare 2 780 SLI with 2 Titan SLI, what will be the result?

Sure if i will only play on 1 monitor or 2 then without doubt or thinking i will buy 2 780, but it is about if i go with 3 monitors and even more if possible then set the maximum, i heard even Titan will not but suffice, so in this case having 2 780 will not beat 2 Titan for long run, forget about the price, i always ask about performance not the value.

 

[RCoon]

When you mention 2 780 SLI then i can also say 2 Titan SLI, then here compare 2 780 SLI with 2 Titan SLI, what will be the result?

Sure if i will only play on 1 monitor or 2 then without doubt or thinking i will buy 2 780, but it is about if i go with 3 monitors and even more if possible then set the maximum, i heard even Titan will not but suffice, so in this case having 2 780 will not beat 2 Titan for long run, forget about the price, i always ask about performance not the value.

It is as simple as: If you have the money, get two Titans. They will perform better on 3 monitors.

Also, 770 on your second rig, 2 660ti's on your children's rig. (give them something nice!)
RAM: put the fastes RAM (your 2133mhz) in your main rig, and split the dominator in half, 1 for each other rig -> 16GB for second rig, 16GB for children's

 

[Arabicuser]

It is as simple as: If you have the money, get two Titans. They will perform better on 3 monitors.

Also, 770 on your second rig, 2 660ti's on your children's rig. (give them something nice!)
RAM: put the fastes RAM (your 2133mhz) in your main rig, and split the dominator in half, 1 for each other rig -> 16GB for second rig, 16GB for children's

Great, then i will buy Titan and start completing my main rig.

And thanks you commented about the RAM, in the future maybe i can buy 16-32GB faster RAM for my main rig, and i may use that current Patriot Viper 2133 on Haswell build maybe next year who knows, but for now i don't feel i want to have the fastest RAM in the world, 2133 is fine and i don't think it will be big difference over 2400MHz anyway.

I will go out now to buy few things for my computers, but i am not sure if i will buy Titan today or keep it until next week to buy, we have only Gigabyte and Asus vendors here, so which Titan to buy for my main rig?

 

[RCoon]

Great, then i will buy Titan and start completing my main rig.

And thanks you commented about the RAM, in the future maybe i can buy 16-32GB faster RAM for my main rig, and i may use that current Patriot Viper 2133 on Haswell build maybe next year who knows, but for now i don't feel i want to have the fastest RAM in the world, 2133 is fine and i don't think it will be big difference over 2400MHz anyway.

I will go out now to buy few things for my computers, but i am not sure if i will buy Titan today or keep it until next week to buy, we have only Gigabyte and Asus vendors here, so which Titan to buy for my main rig?

The difference in performance between 1600mhz and 2400mhz is around 1-2% in most applications, so you'll barely notice a difference.
Go for whichever Titan is cheaper, the manufacturer doesnt make a difference, but Asus has notoriously bad RMA in the UK and US.

 

[Arabicuser]

The difference in performance between 1600mhz and 2400mhz is around 1-2% in most applications, so you'll barely notice a difference.
Go for whichever Titan is cheaper, the manufacturer doesnt make a difference, but Asus has notoriously bad RMA in the UK and US.

WOW, and i was thinking i better go with Ausu Titan as long i will use it on Asus motherboard, thanks again.

 

[ne6togadno]

For the RAM, well, i have no choice, i have the memories and i must use them, i am still use that Corsair Dominator Platinum on my temporary PC, do you think then i better put that Patriot 2133 each 16GB on 2nd and 3rd and keep that Corsair Dominator 32GB for my 1st build?

Thank you very much!

No patriot is for 1st build. leave em as they are. you will change later when you upgrade

 

[Arabicuser]

No patriot is for 1st build. leave em as they are. you will change later when you upgrade

Yes, which if i can find G.Skills in my country at least

 

[Arabicuser]

Ok, finally i am back and got things, which card do you think i bought?

Now almost everything is ready, i will go to complete 3rd rig first then my 2nd, the first one i want to take my time with it, i missed to buy second SSD with great deal, the deal will be over tomorrow and no way i can get it, so i will wait longer until they have another deal or if they will extending that deal, i don't want to install one SSD now and start installing OS+apps then later i add another one, maybe i will think about RAID 0.

 

[Arabicuser]

Finally finally finally, yesterday i went to a computer shop to assemble my rigs, only 2nd and 3rd, the 2nd is almost my temporary first build computer and i changed the CPU and the PSU, also i took 16GB of memory from it to put it on my 3rd build, now i can sleep in peace as only left the first build, today evening i will go to finish it.

Thank you very much for all your help.

 

[Nimesh]

Yes, it is that much different, AX860 he will give me for 700 UAE Dirhams, and AX860i for 910 or over 900 AED, so about 200+ AED difference, that is over $50, so in this case you think better save that $50+ and go with 860?

I live in Ajman too. Could you please tell me from where you are getting the AX860? i have been trying since 2 weeks but i can only seem to find the i models.

 

[Arabicuser]

I live in Ajman too. Could you please tell me from where you are getting the AX860? i have been trying since 2 weeks but i can only seem to find the i models.

I bought it from Dubai, if you want one day if i go there i can go with you and see many shops there and i know one shop best prices at all.

WOW, never know i may find someone live in UAE here, and in Ajman too,....just WOW.