Ivy Upgrade

[MRCL]

By that I mean find someone elses used CPU that has been proven to overclock well. A lot of people jumped to Haswell here and on Hardforum and other places. Check into Sb/ivy people moving to haswell. If you buy a new 3770k, well the last few Ivy I have bought have sucked. I live near a MC so I can flip em if they suck.

Try to get someone elses gold chip.

The other alternative is Ivy Bridge E and a cheap x79 like the AsRock one.

Okay but is there any way to distinguish the newer batches from the older ones? Different serial or something?

 

[Vario]

No idea they just seemed to suck. I bought a 3570k and it couldn't hit 4.5ghz then a couple xeons that undervolted well then a 3770k that sucked (couldn't surpass 4.3ghz) I returned it and got another that can't surpass 4.2 on air. I mean, I could run more than 1.3v but I don't on principle. Seems to kill the chips longterm.

 

[GreiverBlade]

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1164

Its less than 10% dude.

No difference really between Haswell and Ivy, Ivy overclocks better, cheaper motherboards. Get a pre binned i7 3770k. The newer batch i7 3770k seem to suck at OC from my experience (2 Costa Ricas at Microcenter). If you can get a binned i7 2600/2700k or 3770k that can do 5.0ghz from a forum member thats the way to go. Then get a Z77x board of your choice. Nice thing about ivy over sandy is you get pcie3.0.


Its just too hard to find a good 4770k from what I've read. Its rare to get over 4.4.

ohhh great review and the 3770 is the less demanding in power thanks Vario very interesting, even for me.

 

[MRCL]

Yish. Okay, after reading around, contemplating again, I have decided to stick by my plans. Ivy 3770K it is, I shall test my luck. I'm on good terms with the shop I plan to buy from, they'll take the CPU back if it oc's badly.

 

[Sasqui]

Yish. Okay, after reading around, contemplating again, I have decided to stick by my plans. Ivy 3770K it is, I shall test my luck. I'm on good terms with the shop I plan to buy from, they'll take the CPU back if it oc's badly.

The limiting factor on most IB & Haswell chips *still* is thermal paste. An unlocked i7-3xk chip will usually max out 24/7 at 4.5-4.7 Ghz under both air and water if it has the right thermal paste application, even if it's stock. I don't think Haswell is much different.

 

[MRCL]

Thermal paste from the DIE to the heatspreader, or from the heatspreader to the cooler base? I have some Xigmatek (I think) paste lying around, good stuff, better than that Zalman paste I used before.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Thermal paste from the DIE to the heatspreader, or from the heatspreader to the cooler base? I have some Xigmatek (I think) paste lying around, good stuff, better than that Zalman paste I used before.

psshhhh Arctic MX-4, swiss FTW! and by far the best i used
(tho the chill factor 2 that should come with the SA SB-E is good too)

but Sasqui meant the TIM under the IHS to the die indeed

I don't think Haswell is much different.

Haswell is not different indeed : it is worse it produce more heat but has a higher tdp, unlike SB to IB

i7-2700K 95w i7-3770K 77w i7-4770K 84w

still when i compare my i5-2400 or the i7-2700K from a friends rig to my Xeon E3-1275v2 my temps are lower (a i7-3770K stock should be same)

 

[Sasqui]

but Sasqui meant the TIM under the IHS to the die indeed

Yes, indeed, aka "delidding" Look at my sys specs, I went one step further and have been running the die naked for quite a while now. The only catch there is the clearance to the top of the die is less with the IHS removed. Took a few tries to get the waterblock seated right. And at the end of the day (surprisingly), it didn't make much of a difference over delidding alone.

 

[GreiverBlade]

well a delidded one the IHS can be maintained by the locking system of the socket, a friend do so with a i5-3570K and Arctic MX-4 in place of the original TIM well take a bit of time to get a decent lowering but it work (he use also a Macho like i do) but my E3-1275v2 do not produce to much heat so for me a delidding would be useless (56° at max) i wonder if the Xeon serie has a better TIM or a Fluxless soldering

 

[MRCL]

I just ordered the stuff. Can probably pick it up in a week or two, mainboard and case aren't in stock right now.
Oh and I also ordered some MX-5 paste, that GeilD paste I had, I don't know how old it is and I won't take any chances.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

a little bit off topic...

is the 4770k really sucks compared to 3770k for OCing?

I am planning to build another rig.... wanted to get 3770k (another) but damn, I cannot get any z77 mobos here in korea.... they dont sell anymore or atleast the mobo I like.....

thats why I opt to 4770 + z87 mobos. dont want x79 build cause its already old chip and I need a lot of sata connections for raid configuration

 

[BarbaricSoul]

a little bit off topic...

is the 4770k really sucks compared to 3770k for OCing?

I am planning to build another rig.... wanted to get 3770k (another) but damn, I cannot get any z77 mobos here in korea.... they dont sell anymore or atleast the mobo I like.....

thats why I opt to 4770 + z87 mobos. dont want x79 build cause its already old chip and I need a lot of sata connections for raid configuration

Sucks? No, but the 3770k and 2600k do generally OC better. But even with them, it's a bit of luck as to how good the chip will OC, and what voltage is needed for the OC.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Sucks? No, but the 3770k and 2600k do generally OC better. But even with them, it's a bit of luck as to how good the chip will OC, and what voltage is needed for the OC.

alright. Thanks.....

 

[MRCL]

By the way my timing was perfect, when I ordered it, the CPU was on sale, 50 bucks cheaper than yesterday

 

[Vario]

Its always $200-245 at microcenter here...

I don't recommend delidding really. If you ever move your computer around and take it places its gonna shift the damn thing. The clamping isn't really perfect. Also CLU is probably the best right now for direct die to lid. Don't use it lid to anything else it will ruin it (ruined my h100).

You should have gone IVB-E that has a soldered on lid and has socket 2011 support so more x16 slots anyway.

alright. Thanks.....

Get IVB-E?

 

[MRCL]

Its always $200-245 at microcenter here...

I don't recommend delidding really. If you ever move your computer around and take it places its gonna shift the damn thing. The clamping isn't really perfect. Also CLU is probably the best right now for direct die to lid. Don't use it lid to anything else it will ruin it (ruined my h100).

You should have gone IVB-E that has a soldered on lid and has socket 2011 support so more x16 slots anyway.



Get IVB-E?

Lucky bastards.

Wouldn't have done that anyways.

Eh, Ivy is fine, really. 2011 is more expensive and I don't need a bajillion x16 slots. Ivy 3x suits me the best.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Its always $200-245 at microcenter here...

I don't recommend delidding really. If you ever move your computer around and take it places its gonna shift the damn thing. The clamping isn't really perfect. Also CLU is probably the best right now for direct die to lid. Don't use it lid to anything else it will ruin it (ruined my h100).

You should have gone IVB-E that has a soldered on lid and has socket 2011 support so more x16 slots anyway.



Get IVB-E?

and cost a leg+a kidney for limited improvement (i don't mean the cheaper IB-E wich is not even on par with a 3770K) i could get a X79DSI from intel at 80$ but when i saw the perf of the cheaper and the cost of the middle and top CPU well ... not worth it.

also @MRCL MX-5? does she even exist? i thought MX-4 was the highest of Arctic and for past aging : i used a tube of Thermalright Chill Factor on my phenom X4 9600B (from a IFX-14 2008) still lowered the temp from the original TIM from 10° and ~5° from the Spire Bluefrost i used before it (blueworst ... 0.5g for 4.90chf ... pfff MX-4 4g for 11chf and waaaaay better)

 

[MRCL]

also @MRCL MX-5? does she even exist? i thought MX-4 was the highest of Arctic and for past aging : i used a tube of Thermalright Chill Factor on my phenom X4 9600B (from a IFX-14 2008) still lowered the temp from the original TIM from 10° and ~5° from the Spire Bluefrost i used before it (blueworst ... 0.5g for 4.90chf ... pfff MX-4 4g for 11chf and waaaaay better)

I'm sorry its Arctic Silver 5, must've mixed it up. 13 bucks for 3.5g.
Yeah I guess it wouldn't even be that bad but as I said I don't take any chances. I don't want to order and wait for new paste.

 

[GreiverBlade]

I'm sorry its Arctic Silver 5, must've mixed it up. 13 bucks for 3.5g.
Yeah I guess it wouldn't even be that bad but as I said I don't take any chances. I don't want to order and wait for new paste.

uccck the "fake" Arctic, altho good performances but i really don't like that brand (Arctic=\=Arctic(cooling) ) , wait for order? i receive my MX-4 the day after the order usually.

from review to review : AS5 tend to dry up, has a cure time and cost more than MX-4 for not much improvement (the MX-4 is equivalent to the Gelid GC Extreme in fact)

 

[MRCL]

uccck the "fake" Arctic, altho good performances but i really don't like that brand (Arctic=\=Arctic(cooling) ) , wait for order? i receive my MX-4 the day after the order usually.

from review to review : AS5 tend to dry up, has a cure time and cost more than MX-4 for not much improvement (the MX-4 is equivalent to the Gelid GC Extreme in fact)

Lol, alright, changed the order, MX-4 now instead of Arctic Silver. Victim of marketing scheme, I am.
Yeah some of the stuff is ready for pickup, but the board and cooler will be at the 19th, the case is slated for mid december, whatever that means. Christmas gifts lol.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Lol, alright, changed the order, MX-4 now instead of Arctic Silver. Victim of marketing scheme, I am.
Yeah some of the stuff is ready for pickup, but the board and cooler will be at the 19th, the case is slated for mid december, whatever that means. Christmas gifts lol.

x) ahah Christmas gift are the best ... tho my anniversary is on the 12th dec may i kindly ask you to change the delivery address from yours to mine , for that occasion ? (i know lame joke eh? )4

 

[MRCL]

x) ahah Christmas gift are the best ... tho my anniversary is on the 12th dec may i kindly ask you to change the delivery address from yours to mine , for that occasion ? (i know lame joke eh? )4

I believe you mean birthday (you from the Romandie?)

 

[GreiverBlade]

i meant birthday indeed, and im from the one and only place in Switzerland that is not Swiss: Wallis, joking obviously but we are proud to be Walliser (aka: On est Valaisan avant d'être Suisse) btw birthday anniversary is a anniversary afaik

 

[MRCL]

i meant birthday indeed, and im from the one and only place in Switzerland that is not Swiss: Wallis, joking obviously but we are proud to be Walliser (aka: On est Valaisan avant d'être Suisse) btw birthday anniversary is a anniversary afaik

Schaffhausen is also not Swiss, so is my hometown (which incidentally also isn't schaffhausisch) I'm in Zurich now, tough. Which I dislike but what can you do, there's only one Skyguide center in Switzerland. You dirty Russian, you (if you get it)
Yeah but anniversary is usually used to describe a yearly... ok I get it but birthday is more clear on the matter

OT off

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Its always $200-245 at microcenter here...

I don't recommend delidding really. If you ever move your computer around and take it places its gonna shift the damn thing. The clamping isn't really perfect. Also CLU is probably the best right now for direct die to lid. Don't use it lid to anything else it will ruin it (ruined my h100).

You should have gone IVB-E that has a soldered on lid and has socket 2011 support so more x16 slots anyway.



Get IVB-E?

nah dont want the x79 mobo. i need lots of sata connection for raid... x79 refresh mobo's now just use controllers for additional sata... which gives lots of delays for startup... i disable my current mobo's asmedia controller cause it gives about 30 secs more delay for startup and they are almost half slower than sata connected to pch...