Starcraft 2 difference FX-8320 vs. i7 4820k ?

[Ekklesis]

Hi guys

I've come over this piece of info from the cyberpowerpc website and as you can see in the picture attached they post some results for every configuration; does anyone know from practical tests if that is really the difference in framerate between the two processors ( both use the R9 270x )? I know that Intel is considerably better in RTS in the last couple of years so I'm curios if this info reflects the reality?

 

[buildzoid]

Yes it's true and it's caused by blizzard's inability to multi thread the physics calculations but if you turn the physics effects off you can run all other settings maximum without the halved frame rates. You'll see a similar difference between the FX8350 and the i5 4670k/3570k/2500k or the i7 4770K/3770K/2600K.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Might be. Starcraft is pretty much single threaded where Intel crushes the FX.

 

[markaflias]

#3 Is right , Intel´s IPC is much better than AMD´s

#5 Yeahh , noticed it on sc2 and diablo3 with my 7950 and an 760/660ti

 

[Chetkigaming]

Starcraft 2 x32 app, of course intel much more better, even if it would be x64 - intel unstopable now. Also Nvidia has 20% additional performance over amd in blizz titles.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

starcraft 2 x32 app. intel much more better, and Nvidia have 20% additional performance in blizzard titles vs amd.

Irellivant post is irellivant (then again so is mine)

Correct that Intel is better - SC2 is not multi-threaded, there isnt a 64bit client available for SC2 afaik. Also youre wrong about 20% additional performance. performance is always variable, dependant on the card you are using.

 

[buildzoid]

Irellivant post is irellivant (then again so is mine)

Correct that Intel is better - SC2 is not multi-threaded, there isnt a 64bit client available for SC2 afaik. Also youre wrong about 20% additional performance. performance is always variable, dependant on the card you are using.

Nope a GTX 580 is better than a R9 280 in SC2 and WoW. Seriously if you take cards from the same price bracket you can guarantee the Nvidia will do better in SC2 and WoW

 

[Mussels]

Hi guys

I've come over this piece of info from the cyberpowerpc website and as you can see in the picture attached they post some results for every configuration; does anyone know from practical tests if that is really the difference in framerate between the two processors ( both use the R9 270x )? I know that Intel is considerably better in RTS in the last couple of years so I'm curios if this info reflects the reality?

as an avid starcraft player and someone who just went intel from AMD:

SCII is directX 9, and basically single threaded. if you get a CPU that is faster at single threading, you can and will get higher framerates in game.

SCII *CANNOT* be benchmarked reliably, as its HEAVILY dependant on whats going on, on screen - a 4v4 match is a lot slower than a 1v1 match, and simply what units are shooting can change the animations and change the CPU load massively.


that said, the AMD will still run the game fine. just the intel will likely have an advantage.

 

[Fourstaff]

Blizzard has a bias to Nvidia graphics cards, you can see it in a lot of games from WoW to Diablo 3. Its does not matter that much for Starcraft II since that its not a demanding game graphically though.

 

[Mussels]

Blizzard has a bias to Nvidia graphics cards, you can see it in a lot of games from WoW to Diablo 3. Its does not matter that much for Starcraft II since that its not a demanding game graphically though.

diablo III and SCII are far more CPU biased than they are GPU biased. tested it myself with lots of over and underclocking.

 

[buildzoid]

Yes but when the CPU isn't the issue the Nvidia GPU will destroy the equivalent AMD GPU

 

[Mussels]

Yes but when the CPU isn't the issue the Nvidia GPU will destroy the equivalent AMD GPU

lets get into starcraft and test that theory, by me kicking your ass (i dont feel its that biased)

 

[buildzoid]

lets get into starcraft and test that theory, by me kicking your ass (i dont feel its that biased)

Just check Wizz's reviews a GTX 670 is faster than a HD7970 even GTX 580 is faster than a 7970.

 

[markaflias]

#13
Is right , my 7950 lacks performance on diablo3/sc2 specially at the beggining or somelike at logging in to a party .

 

[Mussels]

Just check Wizz's reviews a GTX 670 is faster than a HD7970 even GTX 580 is faster than a 7970.

but those arent indicative of actual gameplay - he's basically doing FRAPS reruns. the game is notoriously bad to benchmark.

 

[Fourstaff]

Either way its cpu bound as you mentioned, as with all other RTS based games (Civ 5, Total war, etc).

 

[Chetkigaming]

Okay go sc2 guys ^) We`ll solve the issues. Champion decides what gpu is better. i am gold by the way

 

[Mussels]

Okay go sc2 guys ^) We`ll solve the issues. Champion decides what gpu is better. i am gold by the way

me and JC316 made platinum a while back, but we screw around in arcade more these days.


should anyone have a repeatable method we can use to bench it, i'll gladly participate.

 

[Melvis]

The AMD system is a huge $500 less? Its a no brainer

 

[TheHunter]

I would use intel system but swap that cpu for 4770k and a good z87 mobo, - Asus z87 pro is somewhere in the middle and not to expensive.

Im sure this system will save you 150- 250$ and with overall lower wattage. You can invest that extra money in stronger gpu ie 280X or maybe even custom r9 290/nv 780gtx.

 

[Dent1]

The AMD system is a huge $500 less? Its a no brainer

Exactly, the AMD system is better value for money. $500 saved can go towards a much better video card than the R9 270x which will make up for any "perceived" AMD short falls.

 

[RoutedScripter]

get blizzard to add mantle support then... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10829033302?page=3

but with all the Heroes stuff going around, don't know really, but they do have an open position for a stacraft 2 engine programmer (multithreading, rendering, etc)

If you want to be future-proof, take AMD, because it's a real 8 core.

 

[Dent1]

get blizzard to add mantle support then... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10829033302?page=3

but with all the Heroes stuff going around, don't know really, but they do have an open position for a stacraft 2 engine programmer (multithreading, rendering, etc)

If you want to be future-proof, take AMD, because it's a real 8 core.

Mantle is appearing very promising. Was watching the presentation on the Mantle API. They managed to make rendering almost solely GPU bound. They said when underclocking the FX 8350 to 2GHz it performs the same as GPU is in control.

 

[Pill Monster]

Just check Wizz's reviews a GTX 670 is faster than a HD7970 even GTX 580 is faster than a 7970.

Lolololol what....? You're kidding right...? A 7950 alone wipes the floor with both 670 and 580.....

The benchmark tests for 7950/70 were done using the original Tahiti Pro/XT V1 and before Catalyst 12.4 were released ( iirc). At that time AMD were getting soundly spanked by Nvidia, it did not look good for Tahiti at all......
Then in July 2012 AMD released a refreshed core called Pro2/XT2 This was the GHz Ed 7970 and 7950 boost Ed. They had Hynix IC's (for a while) instead of Elpida and 925mhz core vs 800/850, some time later (October I think) Catalyst 12.4 drivers released with up to 30fps increase in some titles (BF3) and all round improvement.

The real beauty of Tahiti however is the Pro2's massive overclocking headroom.
Avge OC for Pro2 is around 1100-1150 core, Hynix IC's will do 1500mhz without voltage increase and with a 384but bus you're looking at nearly 300GB/s memory bandwidth.

All of which puts 7950 somewhere between a 770 and 780, I kid u not. AMD have a real winner here hence why they are still using them as re-branded 280x.


Oh back OT yes Intel i7/i5 blows FX away in Starcraft due to the game being single threaded....kinda like Skyrim or any older game engine. FX does OK at multithreading but poorly in single threaded games.

Developers are slowly but surely moving to multithread engines though, partly because of Jaguar on consoles being 8 core etc...

 

[Aquinus]

Either way its cpu bound as you mentioned, as with all other RTS based games (Civ 5, Total war, etc).

Did you just call Civ 5 a RTS? It's turn based not real time.

You're right though, a lot of strategy games are CPU bound.

Who cares if nVidia or AMD runs the game better? It really doesn't matter since SC2 is a bad gauge of performance.