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Flash · Feb 14, 2014

Right now I am just flabbergasted.

So I have a SSD in Sata 1, a HDD in Sata 2 and a DVD-RW in Sata 3.

Obviously my OS is on my SSD.

I disconnected the HDD from Sata 2 for some troubleshooting, and I get greeted by

This makes zero sense. I have my OS on my SSD, what does removing my storage HDD even matter?

During the POST screen, my SSD and DVD-RW appear as Sata 1 and Sata 3 connection

FreedomEclipse · Feb 14, 2014

If you install windows 7 while having additional hard drives plugged in, the installation will spread OS files to the other HDDs that are connected. Its a well documented bug with Windows 7 and its not a very serious one so microsoft have never come out with a fix for it.

Just know that when it comes to installing W7 its best to unplug all the other hard drives and leave the one youre installing the OS to hooked up. this way the installer doesnt spread the files to the other hard drive.

There is no way to fix the problem apart from doing a clean install with the method i suggested

Jetster · Feb 14, 2014

Its called learning a lesson. Do not install your OS with other drives connect. Your boot sector is on drive two. If you want to fix it you can do a repair with your windows disk. I haven't tried but MS says its possible. Or just leave the drives connected

elemelek · Feb 14, 2014

Boot your instalation media, hit shift f10, and repair it.
bcdboot x:\windows /s s:
where x is the partition where windows is installed and s is the system(efi) partition.
If system partition is on other disk and you have mbr formated disk you could set your windows partition to active using diskpart and rapair boot by : bcdboot x:\windows

newtekie1 · Feb 14, 2014

FreedomEclipse said:
There is no way to fix the problem apart from doing a clean install with the method i suggested

Actually, you can boot with the installation media, and tell it to do an automatic boot repair. 9 times out of 10 it will automatically fix the problem for you.

You can also use the bootrec command or the BCDBoot method that elemelek posted, but I can never remember those commands, so I just let it do it automatically.

Blue-Knight · Feb 15, 2014

Flash said:
Obviously my OS is on my SSD.

No, it is not obvious. I would install the OS to the SATA HDD and let the SSD for storing static backups (less usage, more life span).

manofthem · Feb 15, 2014

Blue-Knight said:
No, it is not obvious. I would install the OS to the SATA HDD and let the SSD for storing static backups (less usage, more life span).

Oh yeah that's the way most would go: hdd for OS and ssd for storage/backup....
:rolleyes:

This issue happened to me years ago and it was an invaluable lesson learned. Back then I had no idea how to fix it and no idea how to find out how to fix it. :laugh:

Blue-Knight · Feb 15, 2014

manofthem said:
This issue happened to me years ago and it was an invaluable lesson learned.

Never trust in only one hardware for backup, 2 or more are recommended. If you have 2 or more storage devices, you should always store your "life data" on all of them.

Redundancy is the key. That's how I do it with my data.

Happy New Year!

Flash · Feb 15, 2014

newtekie1 said:
Actually, you can boot with the installation media, and tell it to do an automatic boot repair. 9 times out of 10 it will automatically fix the problem for you.

Thanks for all the replies. I'm interested in this one as this seem to be the easiest. So just boot from the Win 7 DVD and chose repair while having only the SSD connected?

I have no experience regarding the other alternatives that involves the commands.

Aquinus · Feb 15, 2014

You can install Windows with any many drives in your machine as you want, just realize that the boot loader will get installed on whatever drive is first in the boot order in the BIOS. It's really as simple as that.

It makes perfect sense. You installed Windows 7 on the SSD, the HDD was the first drive in the boot order so it installed the boot loader to the HDD instead of the SSD. It doesn't prevent it from booting from the SSD, it's just not starting with the SSD. That's an issue with your own BIOS configuration before installing Windows. Fix the boot order and the install disk can re-install the boot loader in the right place without re-installing Windows (as others have already recommended.)

Blue-Knight said:
Happy New Year!

Huh? I think you're a little late there.

newtekie1 · Feb 15, 2014

Flash said:
Thanks for all the replies. I'm interested in this one as this seem to be the easiest. So just boot from the Win 7 DVD and chose repair while having only the SSD connected?

I have no experience regarding the other alternatives that involves the commands.

Yep, just boot from the Windows 7 DVD, on the first screen select you language and keyboard layout, on the second screen select "Repair Your Computer" in the bottom left.

It will search for Windows installation and should find the one on your SSD.

Click next and it should take you to a set of options. The first option will be "Startup Repair", select that.

It will automatically try to fix the start up issue. Basically, automatically running the commands listed earlier.

It will then have you restart to see if the fix worked. Don't get discouraged if it didn't work the first time, just do it again. I usually have to run it twice before it works, actually. I've had to run it 3 times before to get it to finally do everything need to fix this problem. If it doesn't work after the 3rd try though, you might be in trouble.

I think first time it runs it creates that 100MB "System Reserved" partition at the front of the drive that Win7 needs to store the bootloader. The second time it runs it actually creates the BCD Bootloader store. I could be wrong though, those are just guesses on what it is really doing. But in my experience this method works 99% of the time to cure Win7 not booting after removing a drive from the computer.

leeb2013 · Feb 15, 2014

Blue-Knight said:
No, it is not obvious. I would install the OS to the SATA HDD and let the SSD for storing static backups (less usage, more life span).

eh, seriously? What information do you have that shows SSDs have such a short life that they should only be used for static backups?

Steevo · Feb 15, 2014

Blue-Knight said:
No, it is not obvious. I would install the OS to the SATA HDD and let the SSD for storing static backups (less usage, more life span).

Worst idea ever.

Reads from the SSD will not decrease its life, and once windows is installed there are only writes from the OS when updates (usually very small) are installed. So a mechanical hard disk with years of data integrity for important things, and the SSD for performance and windows install.

newtekie1 · Feb 15, 2014

Steevo said:
Worst idea ever.

Reads from the SSD will not decrease its life, and once windows is installed there are only writes from the OS when updates (usually very small) are installed. So a mechanical hard disk with years of data integrity for important things, and the SSD for performance and windows install.

Furthermore, why would anyone use an SSD, which is a huge RAID0 array, as a backup? That is basically the worst idea ever, and not using the SSD for your OS basically defeats the purpose of getting and SSD.

Flash · Feb 15, 2014

newtekie1 said:
Yep, just boot from the Windows 7 DVD, on the first screen select you language and keyboard layout, on the second screen select "Repair Your Computer" in the bottom left.

It will search for Windows installation and should find the one on your SSD.

Click next and it should take you to a set of options. The first option will be "Startup Repair", select that.

It will automatically try to fix the start up issue. Basically, automatically running the commands listed earlier.

It looks like my SSD does not appear when I try to go for repair. What gives?

Steevo · Feb 16, 2014

Go into your BIOS and make sure it is listed, check the cable, and if there is a power light on it check that.

Are you sure you have the OS completely on the SSD?

Flash · Feb 16, 2014

Yep listed in the BIOS and all working. I'm using it right now.

When I installed windows I selected Disk 0, which was my entire SSD, 232GB. And windows is installed on it.

The only difference is that I don't have the 100mb partition I remember having before. Just the 232GB SSD and my other HDD.

D drive has all my storage files and no new folders since my most recent windows 7 install, however, it does have a "Boot" folder which is a "hidden protected operating system file", like the volume storage information on both drives

newtekie1 · Feb 16, 2014

Can you select the "Use recovery tools" option and hit next?

Flash · Feb 16, 2014

Yes, but it will say "on device unknown". If I then hit startup repair, it will take 1 second and say it performed some repairs. But nothing changes

newtekie1 · Feb 16, 2014

You might have to load your chip set drivers using the load drivers button.

Flash · Feb 16, 2014

Unfortunately I do not know what they are, or what am I looking for. Where should I look for the chip drivers?

95Viper · Feb 16, 2014

You may need to go back in and mark the C: drive as an active partition.
It is seeing the D: drive as the active drive.

Quote from MS "Mark a partition as active" page:

Marking a partition as active on a basic disk means that the computer will use the loader (an operating system tool) on that partition to start the operating system.

kid41212003 · Feb 16, 2014

FreedomEclipse said:
If you install windows 7 while having additional hard drives plugged in, the installation will spread OS files to the other HDDs that are connected. Its a well documented bug with Windows 7 and its not a very serious one so microsoft have never come out with a fix for it.

Just know that when it comes to installing W7 its best to unplug all the other hard drives and leave the one youre installing the OS to hooked up. this way the installer doesnt spread the files to the other hard drive.

There is no way to fix the problem apart from doing a clean install with the method i suggested

man, good advice

nice boobs pic

de.das.dude · Feb 16, 2014

win 8.1 goes boot in 5seconds. i woul have cad/other heavy disc using apps on ssd

Flash · Feb 16, 2014

95Viper said:
You may need to go back in and mark the C: drive as an active partition.
It is seeing the D: drive as the active drive.

Quote from MS "Mark a partition as active" page:

Thanks for the suggestion. Can I take away the "active" from drive D? Right now both C and D are active. But I do see that drive D is also marked as "System". Probably that's the root of my problem

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