Titan Z... where are the reviews and benchmarks?

[erocker]

Bit short sighted of you.

Does kind of have a point though. The folks who bought Titans (bless them all) we're the ones that accepted the higher price and made the pricing relevant, thus making a new pricing bracket for enthusiast GPU's that could of been had for half the price a year or two earlier.

The fact of the matter is though, there are enough folks with disposable income's of this magnitude to justify selling cards at these prices. The problem lays with the fact that these newer GPU's in this new price bracket do not have sufficient performance to justify the price... Which may or may not matter to those with the means to get one.

Value. These cards need more value. What "pisses" people off (those with money and without but have an understanding of value) is seeing other people with money blindly (with reasons) spending their money without looking at value and this ideology can spread downward to lesser performing GPU's causing a lack of value in that segment as well.

 

[Fluffmeister]

^ I even got told off for ranting a bit too much if I recall

I wasn't really defending the price then, and I'm not defending the price now. Simply that people can moan about the price all they want, if Nv sell enough then in their eyes it was a success. Announcing the Titan-Z Jen Hsun-Huang even said as much.

Jhen-sun Huang started off saying "we released a $1000 GPU, unknowing how well it would sell...and it sold like hotcakes."

 

[erocker]

Well, either way the prices are driven by the market. If people stop buying GPU's, the prices will balance out. I really do think prices will balance out a bit more, but there's going to be some peaks and valleys before we get there... Then it will happen again and again.

 

[Rahmat Sofyan]

I wondering, if Wizz already review this card, what will be the score??? since that $3000 tag

 

[the54thvoid]

Explain.

In UK money, a £800 purchase is far short of the £2400 price for Titan Z. Also, at that time, there was nothing on the market as good as Titan. It's pricing was also relevant because it was simply a Compute part with some code hobbling. NV couldn't sell the Titan with it's DP at cheaper costs as it would have been a bit cheeky to their compute customers. I've always said that - if Titan had been cheaper, nobody would have seen the value in the bona fide Tesla compute cards.

However, launching a blower cooled dual Kepler at x3 the price of a Titan, and with far lower clocks, is a step too far. That I bought a Titan doesn't mean I contributed to the price of Titan Z - that's purely Nvidia pushing the boat out. AMD tried it with the 7990 at first and it tanked down a few hundred pounds quite quickly. Titan demand stayed high, though I struggle to see why people bought it for gaming when the 780 came out. Likewise with the 780Ti, it made the new Titan cards seem a bit lame.

Let's blame AMD instead. The only reason Titan pricing was so high was because AMD had nothing to get near it - and I'm talking initial Titan. That was then - now they have a very good spread of cards and they have a better option than the Titan Z.

And really, let's do blame AMD - I only bought a Titan as my 7970's were stuttering like crap on some games. Titan gave me smoother gameplay at 1440p that dual 7970's didn't. Thankfully AMD have pretty much sorted their driver issues and certainly the DX10/11 issues on crossfire, especially on 290 cards kick ass. Most reviews show crossfire scaling far better than sli. But it wasn't that way when I had crossfire. So I bought Titan. So again, don't blame me, blame AMD. There's a good few guys on TPU that did exactly the same as me. And I can tell you now that like me, not one of them would even dream of buying this piece of shit Nvidia is trying to flog now.

With the performance of the 295x2, there can be no doubt, Titan Z is a lame, shitty joke. But back in the 680 & 7970 days, Titan made some sense.

 

[GreiverBlade]

What seems to be getting most people about the card is the backplate. It is pretty damn sweet looking.



Or people who have other uses for it than just gaming, and I am sure people who are buying into 4k early by getting say the 32" screens that are $1000+ can also afford a Titan-Z.

Its a do everything card. I said it with the first Titan, but if you buy one for just gaming, you should probably re-evaluate yourself, your life, and how you spend your money

amen.

also the backplate ? myyyyyy god its just a lump of metal with some etching and a nV logo ... gosh 3k$ for a backplate... i prefer making it myself and have a more personally customized one...

Let's blame AMD instead. The only reason Titan pricing was so high was because AMD had nothing to get near it - and I'm talking initial Titan. That was then - now they have a very good spread of cards and they have a better option than the Titan Z.

wrong ... the 295x2 is on par with the Titan Z ok ... not in DP computing ... but on a gaming perspective AMD has something to get near or a little above and ... it cost half the price of it
oh the initial Titan? damned crossread ... sorry the54thvoid

 

[the54thvoid]

wrong ... the 295x2 is on par with the Titan Z ok ... not in DP computing ... but on a gaming perspective AMD has something to get near or a little above and ... it cost half the price of it

Not sure if you misread me? I'm saying the 295x2 is better than Titan Z....

 

[GreiverBlade]

Not sure if you misread me? I'm saying the 295x2 is better than Titan Z....

i am sure that you misread me and i edited my post not fast enough cheers !

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

Rather unbelievable there is not a single high profile review out there today.

If this was something more reasonable like around 1K euros, I would personally buy it and write a review. I did this for EVGA 780 Ti Classified Kingpin. Bought myself because they didn't give sample.

But 3K euros, for this? And don't give samples for press? Frack Yo NVIDIA...

 

[GreiverBlade]

Rather unbelievable there is not a single high profile review out there today.

If this was something more reasonable like around 1K euros, I would personally buy it and write a review. I did this for EVGA 780 Ti Classified Kingpin. Bought myself because they didn't give sample.

But 3K euros, for this? And don't give samples for press? Frack Yo NVIDIA...

maybe nVidia doesn't want it to be reviewed, they just want people to blindly trust the *monster gaming ultimate card for 4k madness no other can do it* that all the OEM use and buy the card without seeing the true capacity of the card ...

also a Titan Z at 1k is over optimistic since it's the price of a Titan black... and then it would be AMD who would be in shame to dare launch a dual gpu card for 500$ more than nV, but as greedy as nV is it would likely not happen even if they know a 1.5k 2 slot hybrid dual gpu card is tailing their 3k triple slot air cooled card... EVGA with the Hydro copper did it right but the price is still completely off ... heck i could build a whole high end setup or 5 setup like my main rig with 3k

and when i mean tailing i mean like a short tailed japanese bobcat (nearly no tail) rather than a tiger tail

 

[Fluffmeister]

In UK money, a £800 purchase is far short of the £2400 price for Titan Z. Also, at that time, there was nothing on the market as good as Titan. It's pricing was also relevant because it was simply a Compute part with some code hobbling. NV couldn't sell the Titan with it's DP at cheaper costs as it would have been a bit cheeky to their compute customers. I've always said that - if Titan had been cheaper, nobody would have seen the value in the bona fide Tesla compute cards.

However, launching a blower cooled dual Kepler at x3 the price of a Titan, and with far lower clocks, is a step too far. That I bought a Titan doesn't mean I contributed to the price of Titan Z - that's purely Nvidia pushing the boat out. AMD tried it with the 7990 at first and it tanked down a few hundred pounds quite quickly. Titan demand stayed high, though I struggle to see why people bought it for gaming when the 780 came out. Likewise with the 780Ti, it made the new Titan cards seem a bit lame.

Let's blame AMD instead. The only reason Titan pricing was so high was because AMD had nothing to get near it - and I'm talking initial Titan. That was then - now they have a very good spread of cards and they have a better option than the Titan Z.

And really, let's do blame AMD - I only bought a Titan as my 7970's were stuttering like crap on some games. Titan gave me smoother gameplay at 1440p that dual 7970's didn't. Thankfully AMD have pretty much sorted their driver issues and certainly the DX10/11 issues on crossfire, especially on 290 cards kick ass. Most reviews show crossfire scaling far better than sli. But it wasn't that way when I had crossfire. So I bought Titan. So again, don't blame me, blame AMD. There's a good few guys on TPU that did exactly the same as me. And I can tell you now that like me, not one of them would even dream of buying this piece of shit Nvidia is trying to flog now.

With the performance of the 295x2, there can be no doubt, Titan Z is a lame, shitty joke. But back in the 680 & 7970 days, Titan made some sense.

Interesting stuff, and no doubt valid points. It also goes some way into explaining value, perceived or otherwise. If someone deems a product good value then it will sell simple as that.

Clearly the Titan-Z doesn't seem like good value to the vast majority and I don't disagree with them.

I suspect nVidia's rational is that the Kepler range has been a huge success for them and no doubt made it's money, especially the GK110 in the high-end server market. With Kepler effectively coming to the end of it's life, stick a couple of fully unlocked GK110 cores on a single PCB and ask silly money for it, I'm sure they don't expect to sell truck loads and they frankly don't need too. But hey nothing to lose now.

I'd also be so bold as to say I reckon they are happy AMD are selling the 295X2 for $1500, gives them future license to increase prices if that in turn sells OK.

 

[Shambles1980]

i blame bit coins for stupid prices.
people pay a lot more for high end ati cards now because of mining, and nvidia say "well we can always charge more than ati because we have phys-x and sometimes like 10% better performance.)
so that jacks up the prices, and then people who just have to have the latest and greatest will pay silly money.
it really makes me wonder who decideds prices though.
i mean they must make a set amount minimum of these things. so if they make 100 cards. and costs $20 each to make, and from that 100 they manage to sell 10 for $3000, wouldn't it have been better to sell all 100 for $800 each instead. (to me that $50,000) more money back. less shrinkage. and more happy customers..

i know there must be a point where you cant make your top end card any cheaper or the knock on effect would mean you would have to pay people to take your lower end cards, but some one really needs to sit down and think. is it better to sell a few for a lot. or a lot for a bit less..

 

[64K]

i blame bit coins for stupid prices.
people pay a lot more for high end ati cards now because of mining, and nvidia say "well we can always charge more than ati because we have phys-x and sometimes like 10% better performance.)
so that jacks up the prices, and then people who just have to have the latest and greatest will pay silly money.
it really makes me wonder who decideds prices though.
i mean they must make a set amount minimum of these things. so if they make 100 cards. and costs $20 each to make, and from that 100 they manage to sell 10 for $3000, wouldn't it have been better to sell all 100 for $800 each instead. (to me that $50,000) more money back. less shrinkage. and more happy customers..

i know there must be a point where you cant make your top end card any cheaper or the knock on effect would mean you would have to pay people to take your lower end cards, but some one really needs to sit down and think. is it better to sell a few for a lot. or a lot for a bit less..

Where do you get that figure of $20 to be the cost to manufacture a Titan Z?

 

[GreiverBlade]

i blame bit coins for stupid prices.

that make me think about one thing: AMD price is high because of bitcoins and miner... nV price is high because of ... nV . also GPU mining is way less profitable than ASICS mining (well the only way to make money with a GPU mining rig where i am is labeling it "ultra huge Th/s ratio" and resell it at a insanely high price profiting of the misinformed customers who think Bitcoin=easy instant cash, since the electricity bill, where i am, render any gpu mining worthless) ... so the pricing tend to settle down for AMD... but not for nV

 

[Shambles1980]

Where do you get that figure of $20 to be the cost to manufacture a Titan Z?

its just a hypothetical question. im pretty sure they didnt just make 100 either.. but its just hypothetical so the numbers dont really matter, its just a " what if example"

 

[GreiverBlade]

what i don't get at all ... is why paying 1k more than a SLI of Titan Black since a Titanzee is a dual crippled T-black, if you have to OC to benefit of it : then the price would be under the value of 2 Titan Black .... lesser clocked chip should not cost 3 time the price of it, even 2 Black with 2 waterblock and a custom loop would cost less than that ... joke, nV is really pushing things too far ...

well even a Titan Black is pointless at this rate ... (again unless needing DP compute power )

 

[AsRock]

Todays date... I googled with no luck.

Price point is just whacked. I guess there are people out there with lots of money and not much in common cents. (insert lol)

They got no cents as they spent it all on the Titan Z

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Watching the stock levels on amazon. Curious how fast they'll go.

 

[Xzibit]

Only 1 DP port. There goes any hope of native surround G-Sync support if it ever gets supported.

 

[awesomesauce]

mane this graphic card is really bottleneck all over the place.
too much powa...
i gonna be a good card in 1-2years but for now it suck
cause: the price, driver and game at the momment.

cya, throw it out of the windows.. :cheerss

 

[AsRock]

Only 1 DP port. There goes any hope of native surround G-Sync support if it ever gets supported.

Ooh that be the Titan Z XXX which will include 2 DP ports and cost a extra $500.

 

[Steevo]

Nvidia "The number of loyal customers with short...umm... large pocket books and smaller bragging rights will appreciate the ability to overcompensate with money what nature didn't provide".

 

[v12dock]

NVIDIA isn't sampling Titan-Z "we already know what you will say in your review, and we'll sell all cards anyway"

Same reason they didnt sample the Titan Black Edition?

 

[cadaveca]

Well, either way the prices are driven by the market. If people stop buying GPU's, the prices will balance out. I really do think prices will balance out a bit more, but there's going to be some peaks and valleys before we get there... Then it will happen again and again.

You've made some killer points that just can't be argued.

At the same time...

You do understand that because consoles are made with 8-core APUs...with tech from like 2 years ago, really?

And that graphics aren't really going to change for like another 5 years because of this?

The sad truth is you are right, Nvidia will push this until it pops. AMD is a little bit too. $1500 for 2905X? I paid $600 a piece for my 3870X2's, giving me FOUR GPUs for less than the cost of one 295X.

Porsche, or Ferrari? That's really the question here.


PC enthusiasts are back. They just ain't overclockers. Boo hoo hoo.

 

[15th Warlock]

Beat a dead horse much?

Truth to be told, Nvidia brought this upon themselves, at the time (Feb 2013) there was nothing faster than Titan, yes, price of admittance was unheard of for a single GPU card (I was thinking it would be more like $800 considering the 690 was $1K) but no single GPU on earth came close to it, back then Crossfire was broken and 680s only had 2GBs of RAM (I had 4 of those in quad SLI at a point and even then couldn't comfortably game on my 3D surround setup) and boy, the VRAM amount, Mg-Al cooler, lower temps and near silent operation compared to most cards back then, made it a damn sexy card, hard to justify the price? absolutely, but like people say, it was a luxury item unlike anything else, do I regret getting two of them on release day? not at all, even now, when I think about choosing between a 4K monitor or the 144Hz ROG Swift G-Sync monitor, I can rest assured that both the performance and future proof of my investment will allow me to comfortably enjoy either option I go for without any worries for the time being and beyond.

Enter Titan-Z in May 2014, an overweight, overpriced card, that by all means was beat to the punch by the 295X, and even better options from the green team itself like a pair of Titan blacks for 50% less. I thought Nvidia would see the light and for a moment held hope when they delayed the launch after AMD's brilliant display of engineering and performance. Man was I wrong, they actually decided to carry on and actually made the card even uglier by increasing the size of the cooler (effectively making it a full 3, almost 4 slot design by using a radial fan which needs extra room to effectively breath air) at this point $3K feels like a slap in the face to previous Nvidia backers.

Does this mean people should never buy any products from them? No, I don't think anyone should be so dense, brand loyalty means nothing in this cutthroat global market we live in the 21st century; however, I think people can be smart enough to see there are better and far more economical options out there, and vote with our wallets, as of May 2014, I see absolutely no reason to purchase Titan-Z.

We should wait for big Maxwell, and hope it cleans this bad taste from our mouths...