New build for moderate and multiple different uses, need advise please

[ne6togadno]

i am not us citizen and i dont have idea how netflix works. i think @BarbaricSoul can help you with this
also you have pasted browser link not perma link from pcpartpicker so i get 404 error (i guess every one else will get it too)

 

[BarbaricSoul]

The movies would have to be recorded in 1600p, otherwise they are just 1080p if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Vario]

Could always consider a Xeon 1230v3 1150, uses less power than an i5, 8 threads which might help with lots of browser tabs, simultaneous stuff.

All Intels can run 24/7 but the Xeon is specifically picked for that function, for what its worth (marketing?)
cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116906
mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131996
ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233192
psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119
vga http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487044
ssd http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226371
hdd http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236624
hsf http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129187
front fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200021
paste http://www.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingItem.aspx?ItemList=N82E16835100007
dvd drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
Subtotal: $973.38

This would easily last 5 years without becoming obsolete.

 

[tigasport]

i am not us citizen and i dont have idea how netflix works. i think @BarbaricSoul can help you with this
also you have pasted browser link not perma link from pcpartpicker so i get 404 error (i guess every one else will get it too)

Sorry, here is the permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ghvTP6

 

[ne6togadno]

Sorry, here is the permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ghvTP6

no point in 2 odds. you can do it with http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lite-on-optical-drive-ihbs11204
everything else is ok. 500gb sdd is a bit overkill but even with it and 1600p monitor you still will have about 300$ left from 3k budget so you can call a pint for all to celebrate your new pc

 

[LaytonJnr]

Sorry, here is the permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ghvTP6

I'm not a fan of the case - its looks a little too tacky for me. Is there a reason you chose it? I generally tend towards NZXT, Fractal Design or Corsair cases. But apart from that, as @ne6togadno said, a 500GB SSD is quite a bit overkill. You could also consider a Xeon build, as suggested by @Vario.

Layton

 

[tigasport]

no point in 2 odds. you can do it with http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lite-on-optical-drive-ihbs11204
everything else is ok. 500gb sdd is a bit overkill but even with it and 1600p monitor you still will have about 300$ left from 3k budget so you can call a pint for all to celebrate your new pc

I don't know why it didn't save the changes. I changed from 500gb SSD to a 250gb SSD. Here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

 

[ne6togadno]

I don't know why it didn't save the changes. I changed from 500gb SSD to a 250gb SSD. Here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

every time you change something perma link is change so you need to copy it again after you are done with changes.
is there any particular reason you need 2 odds.

 

[LaytonJnr]

I don't know why it didn't save the changes. I changed from 500gb SSD to a 250gb SSD. Here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

I would still recommend, as @ne6togadno getting one Bluray and DVD combo multidrive, as there isn't really a real need for two ODDs, and it could be argued there is no need for an disc drive at all in this era of fast internet and downloading. The only real use of a disc drive is perhaps OS installation, playing Bluray movies, the occasional CD, or for that ancient art of CD/DVD burning. I also am still not a fan of the case

Layton

 

[tigasport]

I'm not a fan of the case - its looks a little too tacky for me. Is there a reason you chose it? I generally tend towards NZXT, Fractal Design or Corsair cases. But apart from that, as @ne6togadno said, a 500GB SSD is quite a bit overkill. You could also consider a Xeon build, as suggested by @Vario.

Layton

The case is a bit tacky. Reason I chose it was because I need a case that has two 5.25" front slots and one 3.5" front slot for the multi card reader which is 3.5". I also wanted 3.0 usb port in the top of it as I use the ports all the time. I narrowed it down to 25 mid size cases to chose from, copy and paste the link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583 600006522 600311671&IsNodeId=1&name=USB 3.0 / Audio

I have favored full towers in the past as plenty for room for mounting everything. I have not used a mid size case before. I will just take your word on using a mid case.

I don't know why but I had changed the SSD to a 250 but PCpartspicker didn't save it. Here is the list with the 250gb SSD: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

I just started looking over Vario build (Xeon). So, his processor is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116906 and the one I chose is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Which is better and why? I notice the Intel Xeon has more cache at 8mb instead of 6mb, but the i5-4690 has more hz. Yes, I did notice where the Xeon is suppose to be a 24/7 work horse, but is that just bs/ chatter?

Update: Here is the new case I'm going to use: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139015

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

Processor: I am very conflicted. Really love some feedback on this: eiter i5-4690 or Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 (new version is: Intel E3-1231 v3 3.4GHz 8MB L3 Cache 80W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80646E31231V3 ) Any input?

 

[LaytonJnr]

The case is a bit tacky. Reason I chose it was because I need a case that has two 5.25" front slots and one 3.5" front slot for the multi card reader which is 3.5". I also wanted 3.0 usb port in the top of it as I use the ports all the time. I narrowed it down to 25 mid size cases to chose from, copy and paste the link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583 600006522 600311671&IsNodeId=1&name=USB 3.0 / Audio

I have favored full towers in the past as plenty for room for mounting everything. I have not used a mid size case before. I will just take your word on using a mid case.

You could always buy a 5.25in multi card reader (such as the NZXT Aperture M), or buy a 5.25in-to-3.5in bay adapter. If not, you could look at the Antec P183 V3 or the Bitfenix Colossus, which both have front 3.5in bays. But if anything I've suggested is not great, then an external card reader is better than getting a perhaps sub-par, or tacky case. And the mid-towers of today have been well engineered for plenty amount of room for mounting everything.


Layton

 

[Vario]

The case is a bit tacky. Reason I chose it was because I need a case that has two 5.25" front slots and one 3.5" front slot for the multi card reader which is 3.5". I also wanted 3.0 usb port in the top of it as I use the ports all the time. I narrowed it down to 25 mid size cases to chose from, copy and paste the link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583 600006522 600311671&IsNodeId=1&name=USB 3.0 / Audio

I have favored full towers in the past as plenty for room for mounting everything. I have not used a mid size case before. I will just take your word on using a mid case.

I don't know why but I had changed the SSD to a 250 but PCpartspicker didn't save it. Here is the list with the 250gb SSD: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

I just started looking over Vario build (Xeon). So, his processor is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116906 and the one I chose is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Which is better and why? I notice the Intel Xeon has more cache at 8mb instead of 6mb, but the i5-4690 has more hz. Yes, I did notice where the Xeon is suppose to be a 24/7 work horse, but is that just bs/ chatter?

Xeon is an underclocked i7 that has less power requirements than an i7. Its made for servers and workstations and designed for cool, low wattage operation. The bigger difference besides the extra cache is it has 8 threads instead of 4 (hyperthreading). The extra threads essentially give you more (virtual) cores, allowing for more multitasking. Windows task manager sees 8 CPUs instead of 4. The clock rate difference really doesn't matter that much with modern Intel architectures, the i5 will be slightly better at a single task, while the Xeon will be better at multitasking and video rendering, otherwise they are pretty similar. The i5 has integrated video, but if you are using a discrete graphics card it doesn't matter. If your graphics card fails, it is useful to have the built in video.

You could also consider the newer Xeon 1231v3 which has an extra 100mhz, This is the 1231v3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117316. According to Asus, the B85 plus supports both of these CPUs.

From my experience, the 1230v2 3.3ghz (previous gen) Xeon wasn't much slower than my i7 3.7ghz 3770k. I could not even tell a difference except when playing Starcraft 2.

Here is the cpu support listing for the B85 Plus I suggested http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/list.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=1&s=45&m=B85-PLUS&os=&hashedid=OQhUkmwWTnz7HF4n.

My i7 seems to handle lots and lots of pages of firefox much easier than my i5, but it could just be the generation gap (sandy to ivy).

 

[tigasport]

Xeon is an underclocked i7 that has less power requirements than an i7. Its made for servers and workstations and designed for cool, low wattage operation. The bigger difference besides the extra cache is it has 8 threads instead of 4 (hyperthreading). The extra threads essentially give you more (virtual) cores, allowing for more multitasking. Windows task manager sees 8 CPUs instead of 4. The clock rate difference really doesn't matter that much with modern Intel architectures, the i5 will be slightly better at a single task, while the Xeon will be better at multitasking and video rendering, otherwise they are pretty similar. The i5 has integrated video, but if you are using a discrete graphics card it doesn't matter. If your graphics card fails, it is useful to have the built in video.

You could also consider the newer Xeon 1231v3 which has an extra 100mhz, This is the 1231v3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117316. According to Asus, the B85 plus supports both of these CPUs.

From my experience, the 1230v2 3.3ghz (previous gen) Xeon wasn't much slower than my i7 3.7ghz 3770k. I could not even tell a difference except when playing Starcraft 2.

Here is the cpu support listing for the B85 Plus I suggested http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/list.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=1&s=45&m=B85-PLUS&os=&hashedid=OQhUkmwWTnz7HF4n.

My i7 seems to handle lots and lots of pages of firefox much easier than my i5, but it could just be the generation gap (sandy to ivy).

So here is the entire order I made:
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117315 (took your advice on the server style processor)
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128712 (check compatibility via Gigabyte and the processor is compatible)
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233280
Processor fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
OS: Windows 7 pro 64bit
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088 (reason I went with the SeaSonic X series is they are rated the best. I went with the lowest wattage I could find, which unfortunately was 650W. The 550W SeaSonic G series I was going to use has many mixed reviews with many units crashing)
Blu-ray drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247
Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193 ($50 more for the best 250g SSD drive. Since I have a WD 1tb hard drive laying around, I will use it for my second drive).
Video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125502 (can I buy a DVI to VGA adapter for this and it will work?) I plan to use the 2 HDMI ports for my business monitors/ customers to watch. I show video for products I sell.
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139013
Card reader: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K1045403 (decided to go with an external card reader as either you or Layton recommended, which was a great idea)
Sound card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Not all but most parts I got from NewEgg ( I trust them).
Total approx: $1550.

I would have bought the best i7, Z87 motherboard, 1000+ PSU, full tower case, possibly 32mb ram and the best ram made, some crazy super fancy processor fan, SSD 500gb and another 1tb SSD, and even higher end video cards, possibly two video cards and run them SLI. I was expecting to pay 2-3K. The current cpu I have was over 3K some 4 years ago that I built. Good news is it lasted and still runs, bad news is it was overkill. I recognize that now. Current build is probably a little overkill also, but I made several changes with the advise given in this thread which all were excellent advise.

Thank you Layton, Vario, and ne6togadno for all the advise, your time and help.

Other question:
I have heard may say boot up times with SSD are around 5 seconds- oh ya! Will I still have that kind of boot up time if I put my OS on the SSD and use the WD 1tb? Or should I use a SSD for a second drive/ storage instead so I keep the fast boot time?

 

[LaytonJnr]

Thank you Layton, Vario, and ne6togadno for all the advise, your time and help.

You are very welcome. What you have there is a very awesome build, and despite being a tad overkill, that should definitely last you a good while, and should be perfect for your needs at half the budget. Glad to have helped.

Other question:
I have heard may say boot up times with SSD are around 5 seconds- oh ya! Will I still have that kind of boot up time if I put my OS on the SSD and use the WD 1tb? Or should I use a SSD for a second drive/ storage instead so I keep the fast boot time?

Definitely install the OS on the SSD, as the fast boot times are brilliant. I would also install all of your main programs on that drive, because it means that the loading of programs is also lightning quick. If you need extra storage for whatever reason (such as large photo files, a vast music library), then use the 1TB HDD (assuming you bought one). If you haven't bought one, then not exactly expensive.

Layton

 

[ne6togadno]

Spoiler

So here is the entire order I made:
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117315 (took your advice on the server style processor)
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128712 (check compatibility via Gigabyte and the processor is compatible)
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233280
Processor fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
OS: Windows 7 pro 64bit
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088 (reason I went with the SeaSonic X series is they are rated the best. I went with the lowest wattage I could find, which unfortunately was 650W. The 550W SeaSonic G series I was going to use has many mixed reviews with many units crashing)
Blu-ray drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247
Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193 ($50 more for the best 250g SSD drive. Since I have a WD 1tb hard drive laying around, I will use it for my second drive).
Video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125502 (can I buy a DVI to VGA adapter for this and it will work?) I plan to use the 2 HDMI ports for my business monitors/ customers to watch. I show video for products I sell.
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139013
Card reader: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K1045403 (decided to go with an external card reader as either you or Layton recommended, which was a great idea)
Sound card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Not all but most parts I got from NewEgg ( I trust them).
Total approx: $1550.

I would have bought the best i7, Z87 motherboard, 1000+ PSU, full tower case, possibly 32mb ram and the best ram made, some crazy super fancy processor fan, SSD 500gb and another 1tb SSD, and even higher end video cards, possibly two video cards and run them SLI. I was expecting to pay 2-3K. The current cpu I have was over 3K some 4 years ago that I built. Good news is it lasted and still runs, bad news is it was overkill. I recognize that now. Current build is probably a little overkill also, but I made several changes with the advise given in this thread which all were excellent advise.


Thank you Layton, Vario, and ne6togadno for all the advise, your time and help.

get 2 of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...600035590 600035652&IsNodeId=1&name=65-70 CFM and added at the top fan mounts of the case

Other question:
I have heard may say boot up times with SSD are around 5 seconds- oh ya! Will I still have that kind of boot up time if I put my OS on the SSD and use the WD 1tb? Or should I use a SSD for a second drive/ storage instead so I keep the fast boot time?

it is more like 15 then 5 sec but still it is way faster then 45+ sec for hdd.
good ssd abc guide here (skip serial number identification everthing else is applicable to any ssd drive)

 

[tigasport]

You are very welcome. What you have there is a very awesome build, and despite being a tad overkill, that should definitely last you a good while, and should be perfect for your needs at half the budget. Glad to have helped.



Definitely install the OS on the SSD, as the fast boot times are brilliant. I would also install all of your main programs on that drive, because it means that the loading of programs is also lightning quick. If you need extra storage for whatever reason (such as large photo files, a vast music library), then use the 1TB HDD (assuming you bought one). If you haven't bought one, then not exactly expensive.

Layton

Should I use for a second drive an SSD to keep the fast boot times? I have laying around a 1tb WD black drive, so I thought I might use it for music, videos, pictures, doc etc, but question is will it slow down my system, should I use for storage an SSD instead? My current cpu has a 2tb WD black drive I partition 300gb for OS and approx 1.7tb for storage. I currently have 80g on the 300gb OS partition, and 70gb on the 1.7tb. So, my thoughts for the new system are to run a 250gb SSD for the OS, and run a 500 or 750gb SSD for storage (music, pic, doc, videos, etc) Pictures/ video files will be increasing due to new child being born, so might be wise to have 750gb SSD.

 

[LaytonJnr]

Should I use for a second drive an SSD to keep the fast boot times? I have laying around a 1tb WD black drive, so I thought I might use it for music, videos, pictures, doc etc, but question is will it slow down my system, should I use for storage an SSD instead? My current cpu has a 2tb WD black drive I partition 300gb for OS and approx 1.7tb for storage. I currently have 80g on the 300gb OS partition, and 70gb on the 1.7tb. So, my thoughts for the new system are to run a 250gb SSD for the OS, and run a 500 or 750gb SSD for storage (music, pic, doc, videos, etc) Pictures/ video files will be increasing due to new child being born, so might be wise to have 750gb SSD.

If it were me, it would be far cheaper and easier to use the WD 1TB as storage. I don't think there would be problems with the speed of accessing these files, and even if there was, HDD aren't that slow in reality. There's just been a big boom in the SSD craze for super fast access times, but real-life performance on a HDD is still great.

EDIT: An SSD and HDD combo is most effective for people who do a lot of video and photo editing, as they can store the large files on the HDD, and are able to write and rewrite the data on the HDD to their hearts content. An SSD has some limitations in terms of constant rewriting, as there are only a number of times the DIMMs can be rewritten (probably didn't explain that too well...)

Layton

 

[ne6togadno]

os/programs on ssd
storage on hdd

 

[tigasport]

If it were me, it would be far cheaper and easier to use the WD 1TB as storage. I don't think there would be problems with the speed of accessing these files, and even if there was, HDD aren't that slow in reality. There's just been a big boom in the SSD craze for super fast access times, but real-life performance on a HDD is still great.

EDIT: An SSD and HDD combo is most effective for people who do a lot of video and photo editing, as they can store the large files on the HDD, and are able to write and rewrite the data on the HDD to their hearts content. An SSD has some limitations in terms of constant rewriting, as there are only a number of times the DIMMs can be rewritten (probably didn't explain that too well...)

Layton

Then HDD I think it will be. Convenient since I have a spare 1tb WD black drive just laying around.

 

[BigBoi]

Enjoy your new rig!!!! Please post pics when its done!

 

[tigasport]

Enjoy your new rig!!!! Please post pics when its done!

Thanks. Should have all of it here by next week.

 

[tigasport]

Throwing this out there to anyone. I have spent some time researching blu-ray software. What a hellish headache. Mainly, I just want to play blu-rays, dvd, etc on my cpu. Simple task like pause, rewind, fast forward, etc are what I need. You know, basically like watching Youtube online, Netflix, etc. Currently I get Netflix. To be able to watch newer block buster movies at a reasonable price you still have to watch them via disc, in my case blu-ray disc. Now, free software (for Blu-ray playing) tends to come with a price; viruses, hence payed for software tends to be better. Connection will either be HDMI, VGA or DVI, most likely VGA though my video card. Sound will need to go though my sound card : http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tigasport/saved/KNc48d

Here is software I'm considering the more so then others: Arcsoft Totalmedia: http://www.arcsoft.com/media/tmt/?gclid=CKCyiaqT4r4CFeKXOgodWh4AnQ
NewEgg reviews: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...75012&cm_re=TotalMedia-_-32-675-012-_-Product

Reviews on several types of software to be able to play blu-rays, etc: http://blu-ray-player-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

This is a tough one to figure out since reviews are all over the place on every type of blu-ray software.
Any idea's?

 

[ne6togadno]

window media center or VLC player.

 

[tigasport]

window media center or VLC player.

Windows media doesn't play blu-ray. Is VLC player safe to download? I have always been weary of free software. Check reviews http://download.cnet.com/VLC-Media-Player/3000-13632_4-10267151.html

First reviewer states it has spyware, but it was his antivirus software telling him so, hmmmmm. I will download the software into my current cpu as I don't care what happens to it. It has a blu-ray player, but I never used it for blu-rays as I just never took the time to download the software to do so.

Loaded VLC player and no go. My antivirus said it was safe, only problem is I was unable to play a blu-ray. I could see the disc and files, but was unable play the disc/ movie. I could still try VLC in my new build when it up and running.

 

[ne6togadno]

vlc is ok.
i download it from portableapps.com (could be wrong with address check it with google).
dont look at those reviews.
dl it scan it with your antivirust before install and try it. if you like it keep it.
for me this is best player i have used so far. it never required to install codecs or something else. i use it for almost 10 years. and never had problems.
if it cant run some file i just update it to last version and everything is ok.