What would you do. New MB, New MB/CPU or wait it out.

[neko77025]

Here is my situation.

My motherboard's is having problems and needs to be replaced. Its time. Now I was planning on upgrading/ Building A new comp anyhow, But chose to wait till the new Intel stuff comes out later this year. However with these issues, I must do something. I have few options to work with. ( I will replace my CPU at some point this year , just sure when )

Goal is to run 3x 1920x 1080. I have 1x 780ti, will have 2 soon, and would like room for A 3rd if need be.

1) Replace my mobo with same thing i have now and wait for info on the new intel stuff later this year. (waiting sucks)

2) Replace MB/CPU with x79 (Rampage IV Black Edition + I7 4960x) this will then last me for A few years.

3) Replace with MB/CPU with i7-4790 (not really sure what mobo to go with here ) but would have money to left over to upgrade later if any come out.

I am not rich, however I do have the money saved to buy any of these. (I am disabled and computers are the only thing I have to do) If I go with x79, I will be stuck with this for 3years or so. Scared then new stuff later this year will blow it out of the water or drop the price and make me /wrist.

System now is.
Window 7-U-64bit
AMD FX-8150 @ 4.8GHZ W/ Corsair H105
Asus Crosair IV
Mushkin DRR3 2133 4x4Gb
Asus DCU 780ti
Asus Xonar Phoebus
2xMushkin Chronos 240 SSD (SF-2281)
WD 1TB VelociRaptor (10,000 RPM) for storage.
Evga 1300w PSU (gold)
CaseLabs Mercury S8
Obutt R3volution gaming cockpit

What would you do....

 

[Sasqui]

Broadwell is supposed to be a re-hash of Haswell, but a process shrink from 22nm to 14nm. All indications are it'll be more power efficient but not much better on performance. The IGPU is looking to be quite a bit faster (they are claiming 40%)

Really depends on how much you need to re-build now. I'm completely happy with my IB rig and wouldn't even begin to consider upgrading.

 

[Aquinus]

IVB-E isn't a bad option if you intend to stick with DDR3 for a little while and you plan on putting those skt2011 features to good use, but I wouldn't waste your money on a 4960x, just get a 4930k, 4820k, 3930k or 3820. In all seriousness, I don't see any reason why you couldn't wait to upgrade as your platform as it stands now would hold up fine with 2 780 Tis. Keep in mind that GPU horsepower is much more important at really high resolutions as opposed to CPU performance. The CPU bottleneck becomes less and less as resolution increases because more time is spent rendering and less doing game logic, so I would say upgrade your GPUs and displays first then consider a new motherboard/cpu later down the road. skt2011 is a must if you're doing more than 2 GPUs IMHO but 6c is overkill for gaming period.

So I would recommend new GPUs and displays now and consider skt2011 and a 3820/4820k down the road if and only if you think you're going to get a third GPU or if you're going to need a PCI-E slot for something else (although I'm not sure what if this is for gaming,) otherwise whatever mainstream k-edition i5 Intel CPU is on the market at the time of your upgrade will be fine for gaming at any resolution as long as you only have two GPUs due to PCI-E lane constraints which your current board doesn't have as it can do two full 16 lane slots at 2.0.

Also I should say with respect to performance, I think nothing is going to blow Intel's current lineup out of the water in 3 years with how performance has been going lately.

 

[Sasqui]

Also I should say with respect to performance, I think nothing is going to blow Intel's current lineup out of the water in 3 years with how performance has been going lately.

That about sums it up lol.

 

[Aquinus]

That about sums it up lol.

It's been two years and my 3820 still stands up well to the 3770k and 4770k, the only thing going for the newer CPUs is power consumption and power efficiency... oh and PCI-E 3.0 but with 40 PCI-E lanes, who needs 3.0? I do love my 3820. The only downside is the semi-locked multiplier (4.3Ghz is the best I can do on Turbo when the bclk is at 100Mhz,) but the 4820k is in general just a better CPU and I think I would advocate for that on skt2011 for gaming unless you can get a 3820 for dirt cheap, but the Black Edition X79 board is probably the best board to get for overclocking skt2011 CPUs, SB-E or IVB-E.

 

[neko77025]

ARG ! .... I guess I will just replaces this mobo and hold out A few months.... What do yall think about Asrock ? ... I have used most brands for Motherboards , however I seem too like Asus the best, have had issues with MSI and Gigabtye. Asus no issues till now .. but This board is 2 years old and i have it OCed like crazy so ... I assume its just time.

My first choice for A replacement ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131876

2nd Choice is the ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Killer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157479

I have the old Crosshair V Formula right now and I am sure the Z will be just as good if not better. Right now this mobo has my 8150 OC to 4.8! thats 1.2Ghz .. .. i assume the Z will match that if not more.

On the other hand the ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Killer has a few things I would like to try ... mainly the M.2 slot (SSD). Not had one of these yet and would like too give it a Go. also has better network card. But from what I read this board cant OC worth A damn. .... it is almost 100 cheaper


Arg its only 135.00 .. i think i will give it a go and see .. if it sucks I will ebay it ..

 

[Aquinus]

What kind of issues is the motherboard having exactly?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

replace the CPU and Mobo, you will get quite a bit of a performance boost going to Intel for multi gpu configs.

4790k with Gigabyte z97 gaming g1.

 

[neko77025]

What kind of issues is the motherboard having exactly?

USB slots stop working, lock up and bluescreen. I have removed drivers, re-installed drivers, and reinstalled windows ... they are screwed. ( Setting up A flight sim .. need alot of USB ports).
Rhino x55 (joystick, throttle) 2x USB, Mouse / Keyboard is 2x, Phone and USB HD 2x, Still need pedals and Track IR.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

I've got a 3930k rig right now, and it is insane to use that kind of performance for gaming. A 4960X is functionally throwing money out the window.


If I were in your position I'd replace the motherboard. Haswell-e is a lot of unproven in one package. Broadwell isn't going to be a lot better than Haswell, as it's focusing on the GPU far more than the CPU. A couple hundred dollars now isn't so bad, and replacing your current rig is definitely not a great investment.

USB slots stop working, lock up and bluescreen. I have removed drivers, re-installed drivers, and reinstalled windows ... they are screwed. ( Setting up A flight sim .. need alot of USB ports).
Rhino x55 (joystick, throttle) 2x USB, Mouse / Keyboard is 2x, Phone and USB HD 2x, Still need pedals and Track IR.

Have you tried replacing the fuse yet? It's hard to get to, but will give some ports new life.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

I'd wait for X99, should be out by x-mas

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Didnt they push broadwell until 2015?

At any rate, I am getting an itchy finger as well. Trying to not buy a nice Asus board with an i7 4960k.

 

[Aquinus]

If one of those USB 3.0 ports still works, a 3.0 USB hub should be enough to get you where you're going in the meantime. @lilhasselhoffer mades a good suggestion wrt replacing the fuses for the dead ports

At any rate, I am getting an itchy finger as well. Trying to not buy a nice Asus board with an i7 4960k.

You mean a 4930k or a 4960x? The latter is 400 USD more than the former and for 100-200Mhz more and a little more cache it is hardly worth it to get the 4960x.

I would surmise that the only thing going for Haswell-E will be the PCH, X99. I suspect that Haswell-E will perform just as well as IVB-E does and DDR4 won't actually make the platform any faster. The PCH is really the only old part of skt2011. Everything else about skt2011 is more than adequate.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

I'd suggest 5820k or 5930k on an X99 board, that would be Haswell-E. IPC will be a bit higher, and the 5820k is panning out to be a really cheap 6 core. On top of that, you are probably going to be able to upgrade to Broadwell-E.

I could suggest an X58, which performance wise would be completely adequate for now, but it will not last as long as X79 or X99...

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

If one of those USB 3.0 ports still works, a 3.0 USB hub should be enough to get you where you're going in the meantime. @lilhasselhoffer mades a good suggestion wrt replacing the fuses for the dead ports

You mean a 4930k or a 4960x? The latter is 400 USD more than the former and for 100-200Mhz more and a little more cache it is hardly worth it to get the 4960x.

I would surmise that the only thing going for Haswell-E will be the PCH, X99. I suspect that Haswell-E will perform just as well as IVB-E does and DDR4 won't actually make the platform any faster. The PCH is really the only old part of skt2011. Everything else about skt2011 is more than adequate.

Sorry I meant the 4790k. I personally dont see a need to go 2011 over 1150.

 

[Aquinus]

Sorry I meant the 4790k. I personally dont see a need to go 2011 over 1150.

There are reasons for going to skt2011, but gaming usually isn't one of them unless you're planning on doing 3 or 4-way CFX/SLI which is over the top in my opinion. One really nifty idea is using VT-d with a GPU or several GPUs to basically turn one computer into several with the capability to play games. A 4930k would be capable of driving 2, maybe even 3 VMs with dedicated GPUs in a single box for some semi-intensive gaming if it was done correctly, so a couple or few people could play on the same tower.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Main reason I suggested X99 was because he was hinting at 2 and 3 way SLI... And if the 5820k is really ~$400 it should be quite a steal.

 

[Aquinus]

Main reason I suggested X99 was because he was hinting at 2 and 3 way SLI... And if the 5820k is really ~$400 it should be quite a steal.

You only need skt2011 now if you're planning on doing more than 2 way CFX or SLI. 16 lanes is more than enough to drive two GPUs, but you can't divvy that up well to 3 or 4 GPUs or any other non-1x PCI-E components you have. If you have skt2011 for the right reasons, you had a specific goal, more specific than just gaming. I game on my 3820 but it's not why I bought it.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

My main problem with 115x is that when you are spending >$200 on a board and putting an i7k in it, there is really no reason not to spend the extra $50 and go with a 2011 system, at least that's how it was with the 3820 and 4820k. I still think the same will apply to the 5820k, expensive Z97 and Z170 boards don't give enough "real" value to justify their purchase over the lower-mid range X99 boards.

As far as the uses go, which although the OP has not mentioned much of, I would guess that he will be interested in video editing/encoding, and taking note of what he said about using it for flight sims, I have found them quite heavily CPU bound due to the very large world sizes involved, so the extra processing power of a hex core 5820k (which I again will note is panning out to fit in the $400 price range) will be quite welcome. And on top of that OP asks what I would do, and in his position (similar to my own) I would go for the X99 system based on my usage scenarios.

 

[Jetster]

If you really wan to run three cards then go Intel 2011 or a Intel 1150 with the 4790K and two cards. Who needs more then two 780ti?