r9 285 place in amd hierarchy

[Pehla]

i hope i spell that one right!!
well if a read stuf right before that card was out..,it should compete with gtx 760 price range
but even before they anaunce that card 280x was price match to 760!! and beter performer!!
and now that 285 is out it have exactly the same price as 280x,285 is just refreshed 280 non x
so why this move??why this price?is it just becouse its just out that prices are high??
you can even have 760 for 239€ and 285 is 249€ so what the hell??

 

[GreiverBlade]

the 285 is Tonga the 280/280X is Tahiti they use different chip, the 760 counterpart in AMD rank is the 270X (who is cheaper) the 280/280X are 770 (who cost near the same as a 290) counterpart so is the 285, albeit being slower than a 280x tho.

technically AMD is cheap, it's nVidia who price their GPUS higher than AMD for the same perf level. (but not in that case ... the 285 is just disapointing as i just saw the Sapphire review on TPU) better stick with a 280X for that price in the end.


(worth mentioning it, where i am you can get 280X for less than a 750Ti price and 290 for under a 770 price, even near a 760... so i maintain my statement about pricing )

 

[EarthDog]

760 works a 270x by over 10% at 1080p... I would say a 280 is its direct competitor performance wise..

 

[GreiverBlade]

760 works a 270x by over 10% at 1080p... I would say a 280 is its direct competitor performance wise..

well i mean't it that way ... the 280 (non X) is the 760 counterpart, but still 10% (or a slight bit more) is not enough to not call it a counterpart, plus a 750Ti is not on level of a 270X so it's a middle between those two and effectivelly cost less.
to make it square the 660Ti is the 270X "rival"

 

[eidairaman1]

285 replaces the 280

 

[GreiverBlade]

285 replaces the 280

technically you can say so, since the 280 is just a 7950 and the 285 is not far in the spec sheets than the 280, they just wanted to make a bigger difference between the 280X and the one under that one.

mixed myself up

also Tonga is officially DX12 while Tahiti remain 11.2

this should be better to explain :

 

[The Mac]

technically you can say so, since the 280 is just a 7950 and the 285 is not far in the spec sheets than the 280, they just wanted to make a bigger difference between the 280X and the one under that one.

mixed myself up

also Tonga is officially DX12 while Tahiti remain 11.2

this should be better to explain :
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280 is no longer is production, so yes, 285 replaces 280.

Less power, same performance.

The 285x will replace the 280x when they announce it later this month,

 

[Pehla]

ok but ,if you look at the prices 285=280x,and they say that 285 is cheaper to produce!!
i wonder what would be price of 285x??
right now you can buy 280x for 249€ and 285 for the extact same price
i think i would choose 280x instead of 285!!

 

[GreiverBlade]

ok but ,if you look at the prices 285=280x,and they say that 285 is cheaper to produce!!
i wonder what would be price of 285x??
right now you can buy 280x for 249€ and 285 for the extact same price
i think i would choose 280x instead of 285!!

well where i live the 280X is now under the price of a 760 and the 285 is near the actual 270X price (highest) the 290 is on par with the 770 pricing (can even find some 290X ref for under 400chf)

albeit your overreaction, (com'on the 285 is a new chip ... not a tahiti so the pricing make sense, not need to double the "!" ) you are half right: a 280X is a better choice than a 285 at the present time.
now that i notice where i am a 285 is on the same price as a 280 (non X) so it's from a land to another blame your retailer

 

[The Mac]

ok but ,if you look at the prices 285=280x,and they say that 285 is cheaper to produce!!
i wonder what would be price of 285x??
right now you can buy 280x for 249€ and 285 for the extact same price
i think i would choose 280x instead of 285!!

Exactly, and thats what AMD wants you to do.

So they can clear the retail channel of stock.

once its all gone, the 285 is all thats left.

 

[URBAN303]

Exactly, and thats what AMD wants you to do.

So they can clear the retail channel of stock.

once its all gone, the 285 is all thats left.

Not exactly ...

280X = 2048 Shaders / 32 ROP / 128 TMU / 384 Bit / 3GB
285 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 256 Bit / 2GB

The 285 is less efficient than the 280X on paper and more efficient in decision as it is a "7950 restrained"

There is no secret, when it consumes less; it is also less efficient ^^

 

[The Mac]

Stats and efficiency are irrelevent only performance.

It performs on par with a 280 so it's a 280 replacement.

 

[URBAN303]

okay yes 285 replace 280 (not-x version)

280X = 2048 Shaders / 32 ROP / 128 TMU / 384 Bit / 3GB
280 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 384 Bit / 3GB
285 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 256 Bit / 2GB

 

[Frick]

Here it's about the same as a GTX 760 2GB.

MSI R9 270X Gaming 2GB - €182 (4GB version €204 or something)
XFX R9 280 - €199
MSI GTX 760 Gaming 2GB - €223 (4GB model is €274)
Sapphire R9 285 - €234 - This is the only one, when more arrive the prices will be all over the place
Gigabyte R9 280X - €254
Gigabyte GTX 770 - €290 (4GB version €346)

Then the 970 came at €321. Oh, and you can still buy 7970's for €240ish.


In short, I would really hate shopping for a GPU right now.

 

[URBAN303]

okay yes 285 replace 280 (not-x version)

280X = 2048 Shaders / 32 ROP / 128 TMU / 384 Bit / 3GB
280 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 384 Bit / 3GB
285 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 256 Bit / 2GB

It's more that what differentiated from 285 of 280
it is the memory bandwidth, and thus the energetic consumption
because contrary to the GPU, VRAM have no economic profile; if it turns
xxxx Mhz is valid at any time that the GPU is loaded or IDLE.

Between 384 and 256 bit I am not convinced that the difference shows.
So I think a 285x should logically be created to reduce the consumption of current 280X.

The difference between 128 and 256 bit against by it shows. 128bit but often this is not the GDDR5 but DDR3 so the difference has to come from there.

GDDR5 @ 256Bit This is often enough Apart from what is based on embedded capacity.

eg : (256bit up to 2GB / 384bit for 3GB / 512bit for 4GB / 768bit for 6GB ) ^^

I was not talking about price but performance ^^

The 285 non-X replacement for the 7950 and 280
Then the 285x replacement for the 7970 and 280X is coming soon

 

[Vario]

Meanwhile 7970s (280x) are $150 on ebay...

 

[URBAN303]

Meanwhile 7970s (280x) are $150 on ebay...

Ah but that's not surprising! think about the people who bought their 7970 to over 400 € or 500 € there is two/or/three years now lol these cards are 150€ and 280X extend the life of this generation. by Against those who bought them so expensive there are 2/3 years have been really quiet all this time Competition and news is not much better. The current evolution is just a little better but not much better.

Now there's 290x / 295X2 and future 300 Series.
Is it interesting to take 7970 / 280X now while the new generation of cards coming? and future games will be based on new .... think GTA5, Project Cars, Star Citizen (RSI), etc etc; it is worth thinking about maybe ...

If you take 7970 ; take it in 2 or 3 then

 

[OneMoar]

AMD's number convention is retarded
the 285 is slower then a 280x
./thread

 

[URBAN303]

A quick tour of Sapphire Trixx or Graphic overdrive this problem can be easily solved

The 285 is clearly displayed a choice of reducing consumption.
You can put it into Ghz Edition without problems but it will consume more.
But unless 280/7950

 

[OneMoar]

285 has a narrower memory bandwith and less cores/tmu
no amount of overclocking is gonna fix that a higher number part should always be faster then a lower number part PERIOD

 

[GreiverBlade]

AMD's number convention is retarded

well ... no
since 280>285>280X>285X totally logical if you do the naming with numbers and letters ... (with half a second of reflection from my side)

the 285 is slower then a 280x
./thread

well yes...duh

285 has a narrower memory bbandwidthand less cores/tmu
no amount of overclocking is gonna fix that a higher number part should always be faster then a lower number part PERIOD

well 280X is above 285 (and a 285 is marginally faster than a 280 so a higher part number is higher than a lower part number.)

unless you are talking about the 280X (which is irrelevant since its above a 285)
280 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 384 Bit / 3GB
285 = 1792 Shaders / 32 ROP / 112 TMU / 256 Bit / 2GB
i don't see core/tmu difference, all i see is memory interface and quantity ... maybe AMD has the same "gimmick" as nVidia (look the 980 : 256 Bit memory interface)

if you talk about the 280X then in numbers 285<280X, refer to the 1st part of my post.

 

[URBAN303]

@GreiverBlade Indeed! I think that is to contain the consumption that AMD will revert to 256 bit it may be because the GPU consumes not less than the previous. Consumption increases with increased memory bandwidth. I think it is to avoid being accused on consumption because the majority of competition works to reduce energy consumption. The 285 is a misnomer. It should be between 281 and 284 The only logical place that the 285 is the lack of physical crossfire bridge. This is the first time a new card with a higher number is actually less efficient. ^^

Or maybe it's more evocative than it seems. Maybe like as the 7850 that the 280X will soon disappear shortly catalog AMD ....

Edit : I read an article that announced that 285 = 64 ROP only I see in TPU GPU Database 285 is announced in 32 ROP. Just like the HD 7950 and 280

edit²:
I think AMD restructures its range of GPUs.
- Disappearance of the Radeon HD 7850 (1024 Shaders / 32 ROP / 64 TMU)
- Next Disappearance of R9 280X (2048 Shaders / 32 ROP / 128 TMU)

- The highest of R7 = 265 (1024 Shaders /32 ROP / 64 TMU) replaced 'HD 7850' but not in line Gaming (because R7). 7850 has come down in the range.

The first R9 are the 270 series (and thus 7870).
(1280 Shaders / 32 ROP / 80 TMU)

Besides there were ventilations TOXIC only for R9.

Yes that's why I think AMD restructures ranges GPU.
The Series 300 arrive it will be a little more powerful than the 200 series.
But as long as you have a CFX then you will not have much interest to change.