NVIDIA Sacrifices VESA Adaptive Sync Tech to Rake in G-SYNC Royalties

astrix_au · Sep 25, 2014

the54thvoid said:
FTR one of my BF4 mates went mantle with a 290 and truly appreciated the smoothness, though he did come from a 2 GB gtx680. On my part, I only game on one 780ti but our perf.render display outputs were identical. But, I do use a decent CPU so mantle is limited in purpose for my GPU needs.

Yeah mantle runs awesome on the 290x, other cards are a different story specially older GCN cards. I almost bought 2 GTX 780 ti's, but I liked the idea of low level API. I thinking possibly going one day to Nvidia possibly 2x 980ti's they seem well priced.

Relayer · Sep 25, 2014

from the article said:
Did NVIDIA leave out DisplayPort 1.2a in a deliberate attempt to check Adaptive Sync?

They need to give you some reason besides 10% faster next gen cards to upgrade.

astrix_au · Sep 25, 2014

wickedcricket said:
Well following your line of though here. Isn't AMD "forcing" you to buy new Microsoft Software i.e. Windows 9 ?

I don't get that analogy.

You multi quoted with me in the first quote but failed to show who you quoted on the other quotations that you replied to, try including the poster with the quote to stop confusion or else your putting words in my mouth lol.

Animalpak · Sep 25, 2014

RCoon said:
The real crime here is that I don't care about Freesync or Gsync, and have no intention on buying into either.

Jesus, gamers these days think they deserve to get everything for free.

astrix_au said:
Me neither and I guess we can thank Nvidia for the extra cost on the Asus Swift, I hope there is a version without the GSync I doubt it will be that noticeable, if you limit your FPS to your monitors refresh rate using RTSS or maxvariable in BF4 it's not needed IMO. Like I said my monitor plays smooth thanks to my 2x 290x's at 120hz. Those demos are laughable, marketing 101 on display that is all.

For both of you.

You limit your gaming experience ( is really sad ) and ignore all the efforts and technolgy that developers realize made to make games looks better to give us something is awesome to play and to look for our eyes.

All the graphics card advancing and you dont care about G-Sync or DirectX and many Others innovations ?

So you guys can play counter strike for another decade ?

Vlada011 · Sep 25, 2014

It's still too early for all conclusions.
We must to compare Free Sync and G-Sync in real life.
That's most important .To check what work better during gaming.

RCoon · Sep 25, 2014

Animalpak said:
For both of you.

You limit your gaming experience ( is really sad ) and ignore all the efforts and technolgy that developers realize made to make games looks better to give us something is awesome to play and to look for our eyes.

All the graphics card advancing and you dont care about G-Sync or DirectX and many Others innovations ?

So you guys can play counter strike for another decade ?

No, I don't really care that much about GSync, it costs money, and I enjoy myself while I'm playing games currently (yes I do play CS:GO competitive actually!). I have no intention whatsoever to pay £350 for a monitor with GSync when I have a perfectly good 1440p monitor, and I'm not "struggling" to play games as is.
As for Freesync, I've not personally seen it working with my own two eyes, so it doesn't bother me either. For all you know it might not work that well. You haven't seen it in action.

In every case, it involves buying a new GPU and a new monitor. I play indie games for christ's sake, and a very select few "AAA" games. It makes no difference to my ability to play games enjoyably.

DirectX has absolutely nothing to do with this, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it.

wickedcricket · Sep 25, 2014

astrix_au said:
I don't get that analogy.

You multi quoted with me in the first quote but failed to show who you quoted on the other quotations that you replied to, try including the poster with the quote to stop confusion or else your putting words in my mouth lol.

Well What part of what you wrote you do not understand:

Nvidia is forcing people to buy monitors with Gsync

I am sorry to everyone I didn't put that name I quoted, I hope you didnt feel offended that is: Hitman_Actual, jigar2speed, Animalpak

I swear I wouldn't put ANYTHING in your mouth

GreiverBlade · Sep 25, 2014

RCoon said:
The real crime here is that I don't care about Freesync or Gsync, and have no intention on buying into either.

Jesus, gamers these days think they deserve to get everything for free.

THANKS RCoon!

john_ · Sep 25, 2014

Animalpak said:
You limit your gaming experience ( is really sad )

What is sad is that, year after year, more and more believe that better gaming experience doesn't mean "better gameplay" but "better graphics".

ne6togadno · Sep 25, 2014

john_ said:
What is sad is that, year after year, more and more believe that better gaming experience doesn't mean "better gameplay" but "better graphics".

sad but true

Naito · Sep 25, 2014

ISI300 said:
The fact that they support HDMI 2.0 (the first gpu to support that standard which is the latest HDMI revision), yet refuse to implement the latest displayport standard, makes the whole thing stink. Mother****ers!

Or it could be that Display 1.3 spec' was finalized later than HDMI 2.0 and/or it would have taken too long to get the product certified. One more possible explanation is that Nvidia may have seen it pointless to implement a 'bridge' specification we know as 1.2a and wait for 1.3 (which of course goes back to the first sentence). Lastly, if their hardware does support 1.2a, it'll only require a firmware update.

astrix_au · Sep 25, 2014

RCoon said:
Maybe we're bad examples, we have decent systems and don't see sub 45FPS instances. I imagine GSync and Freesync are more important for people with low end systems, or midrange systems on 4K ridiculousness. I would assume that's where the sync magic comes in handy for the low FPS ranges and dips. Either way, I don't know why people with high end systems care, they wouldn't see much improvement with gsync or freesync anyway.

I think you nailed it right there!

TheoneandonlyMrK · Sep 25, 2014

astrix_au said:
I think you nailed it right there!

And it's those lower end gamers that are never going to be buying g sync monitors so I can't see them doing all that well.
Well this kills the will nvidia support freesync thread.

It is a bit odd though because I thought it was a good idea supporting all vesa standards ahh well.

Breit · Sep 25, 2014

NVidia sure has HDMI 2.0 on their 9xx cards, but they lack HDCP 2.2 support for unknown reasons. This is needed for 4K Blu-ray playback...

So much for being slow at catching up with new standards. :rolleyes:

Sasqui · Sep 25, 2014

Who's surprised? This is similar to the SLI story years back. SLI would only work on a motherboard with a NV chipset, and they sued several entities for making work-arounds.

Their corporate creed is to monetize on proprietary technology, and to keep it that way as long as possible.

PC's at my house will never see a NV card, so long as I have a choice.

Solidstate89 · Sep 25, 2014

So is nVidia just not going to support newer versions of DP? 1.3 is already available and with 4K becoming more and more the norm they can't hope to just not update their DP standard in the hopes of not supporting VESA Adaptive Sync.

They're going to have to support it eventually, whether they like it not.

phanbuey · Sep 25, 2014

Honestly, I would be more surprised if they DID support it. This is par for the course for them. I mean - SLI, PhysX, 3D Vision, CUDA, nvidia is always pushing proprietary tech over the Open Source solutions. That being said, I don't really care and will still buy G-Sync as it is here, ready to go, and will probably work better in the long run anyways.

the54thvoid · Sep 25, 2014

Sasqui said:
Who's surprised? This is similar to the SLI story years back. SLI would only work on a motherboard with a NV chipset, and they sued several entities for making work-arounds.

Their corporate creed is to monetize on proprietary technology, and to keep it that way as long as possible.

PC's at my house will never see a NV card, so long as I have a choice.

And this is how people with strong views on companies should react. Don't buy it.

Hey Sasqui, given those views, I certainly hope you don't have any Mac or Apple products. They invented proprietary!

astrix_au · Sep 25, 2014

phanbuey said:
Honestly, I would be more surprised if they DID support it. This is par for the course for them. I mean - SLI, PhysX, 3D Vision, CUDA, nvidia is always pushing proprietary tech over the Open Source solutions. That being said, I don't really care and will still buy G-Sync as it is here, ready to go, and will probably work better in the long run anyways.

It's just one more think that can go wrong or the drivers for it, at least you can turn it off right? I wouldn't bother with it unless you tested it and think it's worth the extra price.

ensabrenoir · Sep 25, 2014

........Nvidia is not going to support an Amd lead standard that would help its competition..... :mad:

those monsters.......

Business | Define Business at Dictionary.com

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I would close saying something about Amd's promises vs Nvidia's cost for actually delivering but.....well we know...

But I shall close with this Propierty standards always fail in the face of cheaper simpler solutions....
unless massive supports makes the propierty standard the norm...... Inferior products sold cheaply don't = sucess either......in short we decide, we vote with our wallets.

Breit · Sep 25, 2014

nVidia could've done what AMD did in the first place regarding FreeSync/G-Sync, but they opted for proprietary like always...
In the end I'm not really sure if it was worth the trouble for nVidia. I mean do they really make heaps of money from G-Sync? I doubt it... They still use FPGAs on these G-Sync boards and those aren't really cheap. They aren't in the profit zone with this right now I guess.

Sasqui · Sep 25, 2014

the54thvoid said:
And this is how people with strong views on companies should react. Don't buy it.

Hey Sasqui, given those views, I certainly hope you don't have any Mac or Apple products. They invented proprietary!

How'd you know?

As for apple, I mostly can't stand iTunes, not to mention the sheep that follow apple. That said, I do think they have some great products (that I would never own). I digress...

Fourstaff · Sep 25, 2014

I don't see either being mass adopted any time soon. Non-issue for most, for the select few AMD provide what they want. Everyone is free to vote with their wallet if Nvidia is providing the inferior good.

wickedcricket · Sep 25, 2014

ensabrenoir said:
........Nvidia is not going to support an Amd lead standard that would help its competition..... those monsters.......

Business | Define Business at Dictionary.com

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Loading... the purchase and sale of goods in an attempt to make a profit.

I would close saying something about Amd's promises vs Nvidia's cost for actually delivering but.....well we know...

But I shall close with this Propierty standards always fail in the face of cheaper simpler solutions....
unless massive supports makes the propierty standard the norm...... Inferior products sold cheaply don't = sucess either......in short we decide, we vote with our wallets.

What ensabrenoir said.

I don't get how people still fail to understand that simple rule.

Casecutter · Sep 25, 2014

RCoon said:
Jesus, gamers these days think they deserve to get everything for free.

Err... Dx12 will be available… as yearly subscription download!

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