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24x7 - Low Power Consumption – Internet Download Machine

I want to build a System that has LOW POWER Consumption.

Use:

Mostly Downloading Stuffs , Might Host Own Cloud too , Email Clients , IRC Clients , Other Internet Connected Apps



I was thinking of a Kabini System

Athlon 5350 (25 W TDP) & Some AM1 Mother Board

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopAPUDetail.aspx?id=105

Again I was thinking about the Intel G3258 Anniversary edition processor (But it has Much Larger TDP)

It should be A Windows 7 Machine . Not Linux or other what nots !

But I am Here for some Advice. I already told you my requirements.

Advise me - What should I do ?



I only want to buy

Processor + Motherboard + RAM

&

SMPS (PSU) + HDD

I have the rest
 
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Rasberry pi or NUC will do for that. Unless if you want future expansion/upgradeability.
 

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Rasberry pi or NUC will do for that. Unless if you want future expansion/upgradeability.
Can i run Windows in those ?

Sempron 3850 Quad Core
4GB 1333Mhz stick
Asrock AM1H-ITX + laptop 19v adapter (I've heard Toshiba AC adapters work fine)
2.5" laptop HDD (for lower power consumption vs desktop hard drives)

Sempron 3850 vs Athlon 5350

Which is better ?
Can you make an approximation of what might be the Hourly Power Consumption of such a PC ?
My Guess If its Downlaoding all the time and doing something in the HDD then
~ 12 to 16 W

Am i Right ?

Does Laptop HDD uses Proper Desktop Sata Ports ?

What should i do with a Laptop 19v adapter ? Shouldn't i buy a PSU ?
 

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2650 is a much lower actual power use CPU.
 

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What about something like this? 15W dual core 1.8GHz intel. Or you also have 10W Bay Trail celerons (J1900) which are passively cooled
 
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That system idles at 15w, jumps between 15-20w browsing the net, an goes up to 25w when watching an HD youtube video though averages around 20w when watching HD video with XBMC.
 
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Can i run Windows in those ?



Sempron 3850 vs Athlon 5350

Which is better ?
Can you make an approximation of what might be the Hourly Power Consumption of such a PC ?
My Guess If its Downlaoding all the time and doing something in the HDD then
~ 12 to 16 W

Am i Right ?

Does Laptop HDD uses Proper Desktop Sata Ports ?

What should i do with a Laptop 19v adapter ? Shouldn't i buy a PSU ?

The board I mentioned has a 19v DC port in addition to the standard ATX connectors. You could do something like this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...ni-itx-desktop-build-business-machine.204060/
Garage has stated that he's willing to make duplicates of the acrylic case he used for TPU members. If you're interested shoot him a PM.
 
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I love my 5350, it does really well for steam game streaming to my living room.
 
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I'd say a NUC. Small and low power.
 
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Ok

2650 is a much lower actual power use CPU.
I assume you are talking about AMD Kabini 2650
How much Lower ?

Which One ?

What about something like this? 15W dual core 1.8GHz intel. Or you also have 10W Bay Trail celerons (J1900) which are passively cooled
Seeing the Specs - i am confused .
Please tell me this
Is it superior to AMD setup like the others built ? Does it use lesser power ?

That system idles at 15w, jumps between 15-20w browsing the net, an goes up to 25w when watching an HD youtube video though averages around 20w when watching HD video with XBMC.
Which CPU are you talking about ?


The board I mentioned has a 19v DC port in addition to the standard ATX connectors. You could do something like this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...ni-itx-desktop-build-business-machine.204060/
Garage has stated that he's willing to make duplicates of the acrylic case he used for TPU members. If you're interested shoot him a PM.
Atfirst i planned something just like that
But came here , to verify and advice .
Let me ask , How is it performing ?
Power Consumption ?

The Custom Chassis is Great .
How can i build one myself ?

Yes , i was thinking something like that .
Tell me how is that performing ?
Is it capable of running 24x7 without Problems like Heat ?
Power Consumption ?
Performance ?

I love my 5350, it does really well for steam game streaming to my living room.
How much Power does it consume ? on an hourly basis ?
So casual gaming is possible in 5350 ?
Which Motherboard do you use ?

I'd say a NUC. Small and low power.
Can you Suggest Any Specific Model - or Direct me to any Website reviewing many of them .

I read the Page , but all of the discussed processors are Laptop / Ultrabook Processors . i need a desktop one.
Do you have any specific one in mind ?
 

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Which CPU are you talking about ?

Yes , i was thinking something like that .
Tell me how is that performing ?
Is it capable of running 24x7 without Problems like Heat ?
Power Consumption ?
Performance ?

That is my build, that machine is what I was talking about when I gave those power consumption numbers. That is the Athlon 5350 overclocked to 2.1GHz, but undervolted by 0.10v.

At that power consumption level, even if you cut it in half by going with a NUC, you're only saving 10w. It isn't going to make any real difference, and the 5350 performs better than those low powered NUCs.

The machine performs wonderfully. It easily plays 1080p videos and Blu-Ray rips. It stutters every so slightly when playing 1080p Youtube videos when you move the mouse to bring up the controls, but it will play the video smoothly if you just leave it to play. Since it can play high bitrate Blu-Ray files completely smoothly, including fast-forwarding and rewinding, I blame the Youtube stuttering on Youtube's shitty player.

It did get a little warm at first, when I didn't have an exhaust fan installed. The whole case would get warm to the touch, but the CPU would never get close to overheating. Once I added the side fan to exhaust heat out of the case it doesn't even get warm anymore.

One thing I would suggest though is to go with an SSD. Even a 5400RPM laptop hard drive still uses close to 1w just sitting idle, and can go up to nearly 5w when it is reading/writing. Most SSDs use about 0.1w when idle, and usually less than 1w when reading/writing.

I read the Page , but all of the discussed processors are Laptop / Ultrabook Processors . i need a desktop one.
Do you have any specific one in mind ?

Most of the NUCs and small low powered computers are using Laptop/Ultrabook Processors. Heck, even the Athlon 5350 is just a socketed mobile part. It is essentially the same CPU as the mobile A6-5200.
 
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i agree with
Intel Mobile Celeron 1037U
it draws 17 watt
 
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NUCs here. I'd suggest one of the 4th gen (haswell) ones. Depending on whether you want a 2.5inch drive or not, I'd say either of the i3 models would be good. You will need to get a drive and memory for it.

That's about $300 for the nuc, $30 for 4gb ram, $60 for a 2.5 inch HDD.
 
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NUC is nice but i prefer normal memory and 3,5 HDD since its easier to get from local shops
 
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True, just showing OP his options.
 

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That's about $300 for the nuc, $30 for 4gb ram, $60 for a 2.5 inch HDD.

This is one of the reasons I didn't go with a NUC when building my system. My entire system, including the SSD, cost less than just the base NUC.
 
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You pay for the SFF... It doesn't rule it out as an option.
 

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You pay for the SFF... It doesn't rule it out as an option.
The difference in size between the system I built and a NUC that accepts a 2.5" drive is really trivial.
 

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That is my build, that machine is what I was talking about when I gave those power consumption numbers. That is the Athlon 5350 overclocked to 2.1GHz, but undervolted by 0.10v.

At that power consumption level, even if you cut it in half by going with a NUC, you're only saving 10w. It isn't going to make any real difference, and the 5350 performs better than those low powered NUCs.

The machine performs wonderfully. It easily plays 1080p videos and Blu-Ray rips. It stutters every so slightly when playing 1080p Youtube videos when you move the mouse to bring up the controls, but it will play the video smoothly if you just leave it to play. Since it can play high bitrate Blu-Ray files completely smoothly, including fast-forwarding and rewinding, I blame the Youtube stuttering on Youtube's shitty player.

It did get a little warm at first, when I didn't have an exhaust fan installed. The whole case would get warm to the touch, but the CPU would never get close to overheating. Once I added the side fan to exhaust heat out of the case it doesn't even get warm anymore.

One thing I would suggest though is to go with an SSD. Even a 5400RPM laptop hard drive still uses close to 1w just sitting idle, and can go up to nearly 5w when it is reading/writing. Most SSDs use about 0.1w when idle, and usually less than 1w when reading/writing.



Most of the NUCs and small low powered computers are using Laptop/Ultrabook Processors. Heck, even the Athlon 5350 is just a socketed mobile part. It is essentially the same CPU as the mobile A6-5200.

In My Experience , SSDs wear out pretty fast with continuous usage
and as each ssd has a specific limit (Read / Write)
So i think a SSD for OS & HDD for Downloading is Better Alternative
HDDs can be replaced if they go kaput

Nice to Know a first hand experience.

How is a Processor is Overclocked when it is Under Volted ??
is it Stable ?

So if i am not going with a NUC then what do you suggest ?

i agree with
Intel Mobile Celeron 1037U
it draws 17 watt

Mobile Celeron 1037U - is for Notebooks
Is there a NUC having this processor ?

NUCs here. I'd suggest one of the 4th gen (haswell) ones. Depending on whether you want a 2.5inch drive or not, I'd say either of the i3 models would be good. You will need to get a drive and memory for it.

That's about $300 for the nuc, $30 for 4gb ram, $60 for a 2.5 inch HDD.

wait i thought NUCs are a Complete package - along with the ram and hdd

are they bought separately?

Q1.Can you suggest a Model ?
Q2.I cant find any 4th gen Haswell NUCs
According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Unit_of_Computing
there are only upto 3rd gen which is again odd as 4th gen cpus are already out

But Intel Website lists all
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/overview.html


NUC is nice but i prefer normal memory and 3,5 HDD since its easier to get from local shops

Yes , I agree , In India - those are much easier to get .

True, just showing OP his options.

Thanks For That !

This is one of the reasons I didn't go with a NUC when building my system. My entire system,
including the SSD, cost less than just the base NUC.
Thats my point too
NUCs are expensive than the indivisual components combined .
i can custom build a PC within that price with more components in it

But my question is
Are NUCs really worth their Price in the Long Run
Based on - Longevity , Power Save , the use of 2.5 inch hdd , and Heat generated.

You pay for the SFF... It doesn't rule it out as an option.

SFF = ???

The difference in size between the system I built and a NUC that accepts a 2.5" drive is really trivial.

Thats True , Size is Irrelevant to me . as long as it stays silent , quiet , COOL , and runs without any hiccup !
 
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System Name Indis the Fair (cursed edition)
Processor 11900k 5.1/4.9 undervolted.
Motherboard MSI Z590 Unify-X
Cooling Heatkiller VI Pro, VPP755 V.3, XSPC TX360 slim radiator, 3xA12x25, 4x Arctic P14 case fans
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 4000 16-19-19 (b-die@3600 14-14-14 1.45v)
Video Card(s) EVGA 2080 Super Hybrid (T30-120 fan)
Storage 970EVO 1TB, 660p 1TB, WD Blue 3D 1TB, Sandisk Ultra 3D 2TB
Display(s) BenQ XL2546K, Dell P2417H
Case FD Define 7
Audio Device(s) DT770 Pro, Topping A50, Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, Røde VXLR+, Modmic 5
Power Supply Seasonic 860w Platinum
Mouse Razer Viper Mini, Odin Infinity mousepad
Keyboard GMMK Fullsize v2 (Boba U4Ts)
Software Win10 x64/Win7 x64/Ubuntu
SFF=Small form factor.

Regarding SSDs, most of them will last in the order of half a petabyte of writes, thats 500 000 gigabytes... So I really doubt you will run into trouble there.

If size is irrelevant, then the low cost of the AMD athlon systems will probably be better for you.
 
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