Your Haswell-E max stable OC

[Jstn7477]

So I decided to toggle the O.C. switch on my X99 UD5, and lo and behold, the system is stable. It set the CPU at 4.3GHz core/3.0GHz ring 1.25v/1.05v which seems stable, so I guess my fault was thinking the uncore clock matched the core clock at stock. I guess the default ring clock is 3GHz then, even though it says it has a default multi of 33 in setup yet the O.C. feature set it at 30x? I'm going to bed now and running 33*125 core at 1.2v while I sleep, which sadly has the CPU running at 90c on my TPC-812 with 10 threads of World Community Grid and a hot, 1075MHz Gigabyte R9 290 folding.

 

[LiveOrDie]

What sort of voltages are you guys needing for 4.4Ghz+ and what type of temps.

 

[cadaveca]

What sort of voltages are you guys needing for 4.4Ghz+ and what type of temps.

Same voltages as great 4770K/4790K, temps about 25-30c cooler than SKT 1150 with same voltages. my CPU barely hits 70c on OC under H110. Got the H220X sitting here, too, dunno that I need to use it.

 

[springs113]

@cadaveca ....review? Please?

 

[cadaveca]

LoL. I'm not the only reviewer... and W1zz had some GPU review to go live, so my reviews took the back seat. DDR4 review and X99 DELUXE reviews are done and waiting, after that is an MSI Z97, then ASRock or EVGA X99, I think. I won't do CPU review... that's someone else's responsibility.

 

[springs113]

LoL. I'm not the only reviewer... and W1zz had some GPU review to go live, so my reviews took the back seat. DDR4 review and X99 DELUXE reviews are done and waiting, after that is an MSI Z97, then ASRock or EVGA X99, I think. I won't do CPU review... that's someone else's responsibility.

I know that, I just remembered you saying that you had reviews done. I was figuring that maybe you wanted some things but the last time you said it should go live like thursday or something. I am currently checking out the 980 sli review as I type this. I was only referring to the reviews that you said were done.

Diligent work needs to be read...so come on already lol
Been waiting on a mobo review for weeks now.

 

[cadaveca]

Been waiting on a mobo review for weeks now.

Good things come to those who wait?

Really though, this whole OC Socket stuff greatly complicated the review process this time around. Couldn't just publish stuff without fully investigating.

 

[springs113]

Good things come to those who wait?

Really though, this whole OC Socket stuff greatly complicated the review process this time around. Couldn't just publish stuff without fully investigating.

I know but you are the only one that I have seen readily able and willing to touch it, so you must can understand where I'm coming from. You teased us with the Gaming 7 from day one and really nothing since, I know I know but I am pretty sure many others are waiting.

 

[cadaveca]

All I can say that quickly summarizes the OC socket is this:

Gigabyte's got one now too. It's not a gimmick.

It also puts me in an uncomfortable situation, since to side with one brand isn't exactly the best idea as a reviewer. But that's not what it's about; this is real hardware that makes a difference, and now, it's not confined to a single brand.

 

[15th Warlock]

Dave, I've had a 5960X, an Asus RVE and 16GBs of 3000MHz Ripjaws DDR4 sitting in my cart at Newegg for a while, but every time I'm about to pull the trigger, I just can't fully justify the upgrade from my trusty old 3930K.

I've read pretty much every review out there, and watched dozens of hours of youtube videos detailing how awesome X99 is, but also how low the probability is of getting a good OCing 5960X sample. I figured that you, having so much personal experience with the X79 platform and now testing X99 could help me answer this question:

Coming from a 3930K that can OC reliably to 5GHz and runs at 4.5GHz 24/7, and considering this upgrade would mostly be used to game, benchmark and help with our WCG challenges two or three times a year, do you think it is worth it to jump the gin and get a 5960X?

One of my main problems with the 5960X is that it seems like only a few lucky people can push the CPU to 4.7GHz at 1.35V, don't know yet if 5970X will ever be released (considering 4970X was never released) so, I'm in a sort of a dilemma.

Your input on this (or the opinion from any of you lucky 5960X owners for that matter) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

 

[springs113]

All I can say that quickly summarizes the OC socket is this:

Gigabyte's got one now too. It's not a gimmick.

It also puts me in an uncomfortable situation, since to side with one brand isn't exactly the best idea as a reviewer. But that's not what it's about; this is real hardware that makes a difference, and now, it's not confined to a single brand.

Yea I remember seeing their OC board(orange and black) with it.
Did you ever use the Auto tune on the Asus?

 

[LiveOrDie]

Same voltages as great 4770K/4790K, temps about 25-30c cooler than SKT 1150 with same voltages. my CPU barely hits 70c on OC under H110. Got the H220X sitting here, too, dunno that I need to use it.

I was getting around 80c testing 4.5Ghz at around 1.28-1.3v would you say thats normal?

 

[cadaveca]

I was getting around 80c testing 4.5Ghz at around 1.28-1.3v would you say thats normal?

Yes, that does seem about right.

Yea I remember seeing their OC board(orange and black) with it.
Did you ever use the Auto tune on the Asus?

I have used it, for sure. It does set voltages a bit higher than my own CPU sample requires, but has definite advantages for quick testing of clocking ability.

Dave, I've had a 5960X, an Asus RVE and 16GBs of 3000MHz Ripjaws DDR4 sitting in my cart at Newegg for a while, but every time I'm about to pull the trigger, I just can't fully justify the upgrade from my trusty old 3930K.

I've read pretty much every review out there, and watched dozens of hours of youtube videos detailing how awesome X99 is, but also how low the probability is of getting a good OCing 5960X sample. I figured that you, having so much personal experience with the X79 platform and now testing X99 could help me answer this question:

Coming from a 3930K that can OC reliably to 5GHz and runs at 4.5GHz 24/7, and considering this upgrade would mostly be used to game, benchmark and help with our WCG challenges two or three times a year, do you think it is worth it to jump the gin and get a 5960X?

One of my main problems with the 5960X is that it seems like only a few lucky people can push the CPU to 4.7GHz at 1.35V, don't know yet if 5970X will ever be released (considering 4970X was never released) so, I'm in a sort of a dilemma.

Your input on this (or the opinion from any of you lucky 5960X owners for that matter) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

I would suggest that the 5930K is the most suitable CPU at the moment for large overclocking. With the added cores and cache, along with lowered clocks of the 5960X compared to the 5930K, I'm sure you can imagine why I feel this way.

As to whether it's a worthwhile upgrade, given the cost, that's hard to say. My 5930K is definitely better than my 4960X, and does have a performance advantage, but whether the cost is worth that performance is going to have to be a personal choice, since not everyone's budget matches the cost the platform (DDR4) requires. I'll have some reviews with numbers from both platforms some time in the future, but maybe not for several weeks, as I have just finished mid-term exams and have to do a bit of catch-up with the review backlog that is getting larger every day.

 

[15th Warlock]

Yes, that does seem about right.


I have used it, for sure. It does set voltages a bit higher than my own CPU sample requires, but has definite advantages for quick testing of clocking ability.



I would suggest that the 5930K is the most suitable CPU at the moment for large overclocking. With the added cores and cache, along with lowered clocks of the 5960X compared to the 5930K, I'm sure you can imagine why I feel this way.

As to whether it's a worthwhile upgrade, given the cost, that's hard to say. My 5930K is definitely better than my 4960X, and does have a performance advantage, but whether the cost is worth that performance is going to have to be a personal choice, since not everyone's budget matches the cost the platform (DDR4) requires. I'll have some reviews with numbers from both platforms some time in the future, but maybe not for several weeks, as I have just finished mid-term exams and have to do a bit of catch-up with the review backlog that is getting larger every day.

Thank you Dave, was not looking at the 5930K as it has 6 cores as the 3930K I currently own, but now that you mentioned it, a few reviewers and even JJ from Asus mentioned both the 5930K and 5820K have better OCing potential than the 5960X due to it being a less complex CPU, that OCing potential along with the X99 features and increased IPC when compared to my good old SB-E may be worth the price of admission

Thank you so much for your advice, I look forward to your reviews, and take your time, I hope you did well in your mid-terms

 

[cadaveca]

Thank you Dave, was not looking at the 5930K as it has 6 cores as the 3930K I currently own, but now that you mentioned it, a few reviewers and even JJ from Asus mentioned both the 5930K and 5820K have better OCing potential than the 5960X due to it being a less complex CPU, that OCing potential along with the X99 features and increased IPC when compared to my good old SB-E may be worth the price of admission

Thank you so much for your advice, I look forward to your reviews, and take your time, I hope you did well in your mid-terms

80's and 90's, of course, although I did my last two yesterday, and haven't got marks for those yet. I'm really committed to doing well, but that does mean that reviews are not the priority every day like it used to be, for sure.


The key to Haswell-E and added performance is increasing the cache clock. With 5960X having larger cache, it's naturally harder to push it up in speed that I've seen, but it's not like I have had a huge number of chips to play with yet, so I'm not sure on what frequency ranges we should be looking for in the grand scheme of things. To me, since it's still the same core design as Haswell, that 4.6-4.7 GHz for 24/7 use seems to remain. Haswell-E can take the voltage a bit better though, it seems, and the soldered IHS really helps temps stay low, far lower than on X79 for the same clocks (with higher IPC added, too).

 

[15th Warlock]

Good, you have set your priorities well, and congrats on the great scores!

And we can wait for the reviews, we look forward to them because your are very thorough in evaluating every product that gets in your hands

Btw, after reading your post I followed your advice and placed an order for the 5930K, can't wait to get my dirty hands on it, in your experience, does it OC like other Haswell processors? I'm hoping I can get at least 4.7GHz out of it

 

[cadaveca]

Good, you have set your priorities well, and congrats on the great scores!

And we can wait for the reviews, we look forward to them because your are very thorough in evaluating every product that gets in your hands

Btw, after reading your post I followed your advice and placed an order for the 5930K, can't wait to get my dirty hands on it, in your experience, does it OC like other Haswell processors? I'm hoping I can get at least 4.7GHz out of it

Pretty much the same, voltages and memory tweaking-wise, but not as many memory dividers available. Power consumption is pretty shocking...look at the numbers in the one review I have posted...The temps on the other hand...are pretty incredible, and really make 4790K look poor. 4.7 GHz might be a stretch with high memory, but at the same time, it's just going to be playing a bit of the lottery with slightly better odds, since temps won't be a limiting factor. HEDT is true once again with Haswell-E; it isn't behind the game like X79 was when it launched. It has been a bit weird to me since I read so many crap complaints about DDR4 being slow; all of that now seems misplaced, since 4790K isn't nice like this, to me. What is really shocking is how much more DDR4 costs compared to DDR3, and that's it.

But you really have get some high-end M.2 drive or SATA Express love going, as well. Like... this isn't just about CPUs and memory. Everything is new. So the only way to truly experience the full platform is to do it all.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Yes, that does seem about right.

I was hopping this water loop would be able to handle more but i guess its just a basic loop, Ill be adding a 240 rad to the top of my case soon plus a 2nd GPU, I'm hopping to get a 4.5Ghz OC on the CPU and around 15% OC on both cards, Always seems the CPU gets a lot hotter in my loop around 60c @ stock speeds after 5 hours of BF4 when my GPU is running cool at like 38c is this normal?

 

[cadaveca]

I was hopping this water loop would be able to handle more but i guess its just a basic loop, Ill be adding a 240 rad to the top of my case soon plus a 2nd GPU, I'm hopping to get a 4.5Ghz OC on the CPU and around 15% OC on both cards, Always seems the CPU gets a lot hotter in my loop around 60c @ stock speeds after 5 hours of BF4 when my GPU is running cool at like 38c is this normal?

Meh, I dunno. Would have to plug a power meter into the 8-pins to see power consumption for each part.

Let me put it this way: how much power do you think that there chip is pulling? And the VGA? My chip pulls around 200 W maxed out, and 95W at stock. Given your clock and voltages, yeah, I'd say it's about right. BF4 is one of the LAST tests I use, because it's one of the most intense, and ya know, I got three monitors, and three 780 TIs, and something needs to push it hard all at once...

you've got RVE, which I suspect isn't exactly running real "stock" clocks and voltages, ROG boards just don't normally work that way; that's what the mainstream boards do. Try out the voltages from dumo's screenshots, and take it from there. You should be able to judge CPU quality from his volts; he doesn't tend to stay with "average" CPUs, so if you can't manage what he's got, then you can figure out how decent of a clock you'll get.

 

[vega22]

4.4@1.24
CPU - 5820K
Mobo- msi sli
Mem - 2800 cl15
h100

tops out around 70c across the cores/package.

not my system but he wont mind me sharing the info.

will repost when i really get to abuse it

 

[LiveOrDie]

Looking at dumo's screenshots his not stressing the CPU just running CINEBENCH i get around the same temps as him if i was to just run a simple test, Also i found prime95 to not stress the CPU correctly after using the FPU stress test in Aida64 that really starts warming things up.

 

[Jstn7477]

Here's the best I've gotten so far, though temps are awful with the TPC-812 while I wait for Corsair H100 LGA-2011 mounting studs. I'm sure my Enermax 900rpm rad fans probably won't cut it either.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Here's the best I've gotten so far, though temps are awful with the TPC-812 while I wait for Corsair H100 LGA-2011 mounting studs. I'm sure my Enermax 900rpm rad fans probably won't cut it either.

Dude i wouldnt let your CPU get that hot 90c maybe at the most.



Here is a quick run i just did.

I find Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility a good test in the past while other programs where stable this wasn't.

 

[buildzoid]

Dude i wouldnt let your CPU get that hot 90c maybe at the most.



Here is a quick run i just did.

I find Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility a good test in the past while other programs where stable this wasn't.

The XTU stress test is a reskin of IBT which is a reskin of LynX. What I find intresting is that XTU scores for Haswell-e are massively improved compared to Sandy/Ivy-e when everything else is rather marginal.

 

[MetalRacer]

Think metal was using phase change i believe, he'll tell us. Nice clocks nonetheless!

Seen on some graphs the 5960x a lot are hitting 4.8-4.9 on liquid cooling setups and RVE's. The scores these things kick out on benchies makes me want it so bad!

I am running phase change cooling so I'm not too concerned about going too 1.5 with the voltage.

Nice to see you are still around Metal
I wish I could join the fun, but I am going to have to sit back and watch from a far. Sub'd anyways

Hey man I'm still kicking around. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Not to bad on water cooling, to bad I've got no good memory atm.

5 GHz validation, not tested stability yet and not sure I will until I can cool the water a bit.

http://valid.canardpc.com/dpeqrh

That's a fine chip you got there MD!

Hey guys I could use some overclocking help. Can you guys give me some feedback on what I'm doing?
5930k @ 1.36V for 4.25 GHz with xmp profile ram @ 3000 MHz. I'm running 34x125MHz
Should I stay at 100 bclock? What other voltages should I be adjusting?

Are there any overclocking guides for the Asus X99?

Raja has some good info posted here.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1510328/...al-support-thread-north-america#post_22778063