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Yeah I was looking at that too "R9 295X2 requires no less than 45 amps of power on the first 12-volt rail of the system power supply and 28 amps on the second" So the Lepa is out and the AXI is in ... and should handle it very well with a 125 amps on its 12v rail leaving roughly 52 amps available.

Edit : opinion on the mobo choices I gave?

If you are getting the 295x2, why not get mATX board? but of course mATX doesnt support tri sli or quad sli unless you take dual gpu's
 
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Tri sli works on the X99 boards, seems that it has to be a 5930k or better and the 5920k either doesn't support it or isn't powerful enough I don/t know which it really is.
 
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Tri sli works on the X99 boards, seems that it has to be a 5930k or better and the 5920k either doesn't support it or isn't powerful enough I don/t know which it really is.

Of course they do. It was just some matx boards has a different PCI allocations and sometimes you need to convert your GPU to single slot for tri sli.

The 5820k should be able to support tri sli because it has 28 lanes. meaning, PCI allocations can be 8x8x8. You have to read some manuals and review though.
 
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Tri sli works on the X99 boards, seems that it has to be a 5930k or better and the 5920k either doesn't support it or isn't powerful enough I don/t know which it really is.
Well here is my thoughts on the process, its all going to come down to the resolution you are playing at. With comparing the 4 GPU's on a pair of 295X2's to the 3 GPU's of a GTX 980 setup its going to fall down to efficiency in scaling as to which will perform better. That being said in more cases than naught that support that many GPU's the dual 295X2's will out perform the 3 980's. There will of course be cases where they do not scale well beyond 2 cards in which case the extra performance from the 980 to a single R9 290X GPU would be better but it again comes down to the games and resolutions your playing at.

My advice is probably the 295X2 cards if you do not plan to overclock at least much and do not plan to upgrade for awhile because you will get a nice package if your able to get them for the same price or near the price of 3 980's (Also you will get 6 free games) plus since its liquid cooled it will be a little more quiet than running the 3 980's depending on the cooler you choose. The only major down side is the power usage difference you will see but if that does not bother you then by all means.

As far as motherboards go between the two (MSI Gaming 9 and Asus Rampage) I would say it comes down to the features sets of both before you can decide. The Rampage board has an overclock socket that is only on Asus boards and can deliver better overclocking results from what I have seen (When enabled). That seems to be the main advantage of that board because the rest of the features are pretty much similar in some way between the boards. The advantage on the gaming 9 AC is the price and the fact that it has the Streaming Engine which is great for if you game stream/record because it does not require anything really from the machine to record your gameplay footage.

I personally chose the Gaming 9 AC because I prefer the new MSI Bios and the streaming engine intrigued me more than the OC socket. I have been able to get 4.7ghz on my 5930K pretty easily so I would say you should be fine no matter what you choose.
 
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TTL has 2 295x2 with corsair 1500w and it is sufficient but close
 
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You are only half correct, yes some people are jealous but others are trying to help OP from wasting money.
With more than 2 graphic cards you start to run into many problems. Cards run hot a loud, so does PSU, pcie bandwidth gets limited and ofc drivers don't work properly. 2x 980 is safe bet.
On the other hand if OP is true enthusiast and is ready to deal with possible issues 295x2 in crossfire just looks stunning
 
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Yeah I was looking at that too "R9 295X2 requires no less than 45 amps of power on the first 12-volt rail of the system power supply and 28 amps on the second" So the Lepa is out and the AXI is in ... and should handle it very well with a 125 amps on its 12v rail leaving roughly 52 amps available.

Edit : opinion on the mobo choices I gave?
You are an apparent fan of blowing cash for no reason, so I feel like this is wasting my breath. I will put it out there anyway...

Unless you plan on SUB AMBIENT overclocking, do NOT get the ASUS ROG board. It it 'too much' motherboard for your uses (paying for features and a robustness that you will never use or need). The MSI Gaming 9 AC will be fine... Im reviewed it... its solid.

As far as the GPU, I vote single 295x2 if you are going 4K or 2 980's.
 
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Hi OP,

In my humble opinion,
The main question you should ask yourself is what resolution you'll be playing games and/or watching movies. if it's only a 1080p resolution then you're totally wasting your money.
The bottom line- If it's 4k you're after then go for the R9 295x2 option, anything under (like 1440) ... I think you'll be fine with a single or dual 980 GPUs or anything less.
2 R9 295x2 would be a huge overkill and a total waste of wattage and money (you could use the money you save now for later on when both companies release better power efficient gpus and better performances as the Maxwell series is out with a huge energy saving deference while maintaining high performance such as the 970 and 980 cards).
For example. a single 980 TPD is (only) about 180 while the R9 295x2 is about 425 (or 500 as stated on the product's page). Unless you're buying a 4k monitor, I'd advise you to go for a single 980 card, and then buy another 980 when the prices go down when the new cards are released. If you've considered 970 SLI ( limited to Tri-SLI), the 970 SLI seems to be faster up to ~1600p ( a 970 is only 10% worse than a 980 card, and a lot cheaper), then 295x2 passes in 3 display and 4k. . I read on an anandtech forum review ( that tested R9 295x2 CF- don't remember which one) that a dual R9 295x2 is getting 40% bottleneck most of the time (even on the newest Asrock Motherboard the PCI v3 lanes bottleneck this about 40%) so keep that in mind And also they used a 1350 PSU and it shut down on them several times due to not having enough power) .

About your comparison:
A pair of 295x2s in Crossfire is basically a 4 GPU setup and that will beat out 2 GTX 980s. However they will consume about 3 times more power minimum and you'd probably find that 3 GTX 980s in a 3-way SLI will probably be as good if not better due to non-linear scaling (don't quote me on that though, I haven't actually seen any benchmarks so I'm only hypothesizing).

You might as well ask yourself - Which one would do better for QHD triple monitor setup (the r9 295x2 vs the 980)?

Both are really close in performance.

Depending on which game you're playing, for instance the 290X crossfire is a tad slower than 980 SLI.

From one 980 to SLI it's about a 40-50FPS increase.

Even though these are for 4K resolution, you still would be better off with GTX 980s.


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Or Bioshock where 980 SLI is still faster:

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But then you have Crysis 3 where It's basically unplayable.


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Word of warning:
Regarding the R9 295x2 : I've been hearing that connectors actually melting . Do not use daisy-chained PCIe power connectors (i.e. one connection to the power supply and two 8-pins to the graphics card). If AMD wasn't going over the per-connector power spec it wouldn't be an issue, but they are, which means you can melt the connector at the power supply end. Those daisy-chained PCIe connectors are meant for 300W max, not 425W, this is the *only* card on the market that causes these kinds of problems. If you don't know what it means - well basically it's how many CABLES from the PSU you're plugging into your GPU (6/8 pin cables) - sometimes you can have a single cable with two pcie connectors on the end, one daisy chained of the other. Don't use connectors like that, use two individual cables instead.

Also, you’ll need a serious and quality PSU (or dual PSU if you have the right chasis – at least 1475W or preferably a 1500W) to run 2 R9 295x2 .

I hope I helped.

Good luck.
 

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I'm happy to report you have more money than my piggy bank can throw a stick at... Go the GXT 980 Tri Sli and tell the store to "shut up and take my money!".

P.S. The X99 platform is the geek's embodiment of having the "biggest penis" and "mine's bigger than your's". Grab yourself a 4790K and a Maximus VII board and save some serious dough. Use those savings on your new GPU purchase....

All the best :peace:

I just got my 5820k and G1 for $600. You don't save much and you get a much better CPU/Platform.
 

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I just got my 5820k and G1 for $600. You don't save much and you get a much better CPU/Platform.

There will always be more, better technology right around the corner. The 5820k has a pre-order price of $425.92USD, which translates into ÂŁ249.27. This is considerably more expensive than the 4790k and even encroaches towards the price of the 4930k. The benefits of the 5820k are DDR4, 6 cores, and the X99 chipset.

I don't want to make you feel bad for the decision you've made but honestly, I do not think this is worth it. An X99 motherboard is far more expensive than a Z87/Z97, DDR4 prices are still sky high, ( that's withouth taking into consideration good water cooling equipment or good passive CPU coolers (like Noctua's), good chassis and PSU that would only make the bill bigger... and, during gaming, the benefit of 2 more cores are not always evident (at least not in this year or the next, not enough games are coded to support,or more accurately - *fully* support 6 cores, so the extra 2 cores aren't noticeable in terms of what you get to how much you pay for it. . Furthermore, the 4790k boasts some tricks of its own: a far lower power consumption and an excellent clock speed. Thus, it should be superior to the 5820k in gaming. I think that the 4790k has far and away a better value than the 5820k.

The charts tell us there is 3 fps difference from DDR3 1333 to 2400. And the DDR4 price plus the supporting platforms will make it impossible for a sane guy to spend on it. He will simply not get any advantage on gaming or desktop life. And as for charts, at the moment, the 4790k gives better performance than the 5820k due to higher frequencies.

Intel hates the budget users. There are only dual and quad cores on the consumer oriented platform, reserving the six and more cores to the guys who can pay their insane prices. But that's just my opinion. I'm just trying to help at being better and smarter consumers. If you have no money issues then by all means be my guest at buying the most expensive hardware you can (regardless of what uses you really need). Personally I would've advised you to go on the 4790k for now and save the big buck for better GPUs.

Nonetheless, I'm sure you'd enjoy your new rig.
 
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There will always be more, better technology right around the corner. The 5820k has a pre-order price of $425.92USD, which translates into ÂŁ249.27. This is considerably more expensive than the 4790k and even encroaches towards the price of the 4930k. The benefits of the 5820k are DDR4, 6 cores, and the X99 chipset.
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Not in USA. The Microcenter combo is now down to $560 after taxes, the 4790k+z97 is $500 alone. $60 is worth the extra two cores. $100 if you want all of the trimmings and 802.11ac (which factoring in the wifi cost, is more than reasonable considering the G1 Gaming Wifi uses the Intel chip).

The 5820k is also not a pre-order, they are in stock at brick at mortor stores. (considering I'm typing from my overclocked 5820k)

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx
I don't want to make you feel bad for the decision you've made but honestly, I do not think this is worth it.
You won't, I don't use the CPU for exclusively gaming. I use all of my CPU.
( that's withouth taking into consideration good water cooling equipment or good passive CPU coolers (like Noctua's),
Good water cooling price is irrelevant, as I have had the same loop for 4 system builds. $200 up front has meant I never need to buy a cooler again.
not enough games are coded to support,or more accurately - *fully* support 6 cores, so the extra 2 cores aren't noticeable in terms of what you get to how much you pay for it.
You haven't used the Cryengine based games then. Archeage loves having 12 threads available.

And as for charts, at the moment, the 4790k gives better performance than the 5820k due to higher frequencies.

But I thought 3 FPS didn't matter?
reserving the six and more cores to the guys who can pay their insane prices. But that's just my opinion.
Once again, your prices are 100% wrong for US users.. Would you like a copy of my reciept or something?
http://i.imgur.com/9hXSGq2.jpg
 
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I'm not going to argue because it's a question of personal preferences.

But just to clarify some things:

You got it wrong - the 3 FPS difference is when using DDR3 1333 to 2400 - it was to show you that the outcome doesn't worth the money you pay for the DDR4 upgrade when buying an already more expensive X99 mobo. the CPUs was another comparison. You have many other charts you can compare to on the net... ( DDR3 to DDR4 and 4990k to 5820k).

I guess the prices are different because I'm not from the States, but there are still different factors to consider (based on your daily-day uses and needs) it's just that most people don't really need 4 cores, let alone 6 or more. So if one person is an enthusiast who can afford the costs, then why not. It's all a question of uses and needs and not just spending money.

Like I said, most games don't *fully* support 6 cores- if you want or can pay more for several games, that's your decision, I think the bigger difference in performance in that case would be to invest in better GPUs.

Don't get me wrong, you have a good PC, but you can't really compare preferences, I'm just trying to help making more educated decisions.
 
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I think the bigger difference in performance in that case would be to invest in better GPUs.

That's my point exactly, there is only a minor investment difference, not $300+ like you originally pretended there was.


It's certainly worth a consideration depending on budget constraints, but not having to buy a new set of DDR4 on the next upgrade should also be considered. Too many people like to pretend X99 is far out of reach, and then turn around and suggest a 4790k without hesitation and it's just flat out wrong.

With benchmarks like these, the 4790k isn't even competitive for the miniscule price difference in the long run. It needs a severe price drop.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/...view-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/6
 
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That's my point exactly, there is only a minor investment difference, not $300+ like you originally pretended there was.


It's certainly worth a consideration depending on budget constraints, but not having to buy a new set of DDR4 on the next upgrade should also be considered. Too many people like to pretent X99 is far out of reach, and then turn around and suggest a 4790k without hesitation and it's just flat out wrong.

My point is .... 5820k is a LGA2011-v3 socket that obliges you to buy a X99 mobo, that obligates you to buy DDR4 ( over 8 gigs of course or at least 8 gigs)... all together is quit a difference (in how much you pay) if you compare it to a 4790k+Z97 mobo+ DDR3 rams (same gig amount in comparison to the DDR4 overall). I still stand behind what I said earlier ... and all of that leads to investing what you saved in better GPUs. I think we both made our points so let's just agree to disagree.

[QUOTE="With benchmarks like these, the 4790k isn't even competitive for the miniscule price difference in the long run. It needs a severe price drop.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/...view-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/6 [/QUOTE]

Your chart demonstrates exactly what I said, if you look closely, you'll see that there's almost no difference in performance (about 2 FPS give or take *on average* to either CPU for most of the games tested there except for the "Bioshock Infinite SLI" chart where there's a 12 FPS difference in favor of the 4790k). Even for the superior and overpriced 5960X and the 5930X CPUs, the difference in actual performance is up to no difference, in some games lower and some marginal - that totally cancels the worthiness of paying the noticeably higher amount of money for these CPUs today, it's just not worth the overprice. If you read the comments (well, several pages of them) - they're all practically saying the same thing I was saying from the start.
 
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My point is .... 5820k is a LGA2011-v3 socket that obliges you to buy a X99 mobo, that obligates you to buy DDR4 ( over 8 gigs of course or at least 8 gigs)... all together is quit a difference (in how much you pay) if you compare it to a 4990k+Z97 mobo+ DDR3 rams (same gig amount in comparison to the DDR4 overall). I still stand behind what I said earlier ... and all of that leads to investing what you saved in better GPUs. I think we both made our points so let's just agree to disagree.


While the DDR4 prices suck a fair bit right now, i don't have to buy new memory when you finally upgrade that 4790k you just bought.


Again, it boils down to pay now to pay less later or pay less now for less hardware and pay more later. Buying DDR3 right now is a terrible investment IMO if you're already playing in the high end brackets.

I have a PCP&C 610 that I've had for almost 10 years now and it would still handily run almost any system these days, it was $120 back then and an amazing investment.

There is a lot of 'oh new tech right around the corner" paranoia, but this is the time that one can legitimately plan to save a fair bit in the long run. It doesn't come around very often and for some reason, enthusaists completely ignore the best value in years. Building from scratch at the 4790k level, X99 is the better investment in nearly every possible way.
 

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I didn't have to buy- ;) I already had them.
But my advice was regardless of that- that's a cost-benefit consideration. By the time I'd have to upgrade (which would be in several years) DDR4 would be a lot cheaper and the overall cost would be much cheaper so relatively - I'd pay later a lot less for equal or better hardware ( mobo/cpu/rams) - Intel changes sockets and architecture every 2 years and that makes you buy new parts that fit that socket and architecture so as of pre 2009/2010 - you're definitely right.

I think we've both made our points, so whoever reads this can take it the way he wants.

Good luck with your new PC :)
 
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I just got my 5820k and G1 for $600. You don't save much and you get a much better CPU/Platform.

My comparison was including the exorbitant cost of DDR4 ram that is compulsory with the X99 upgrade. Once you factor that in vs using existing DDR3 modules it's a big saving ($300 +)

At the end of the day everyone does what makes them happy. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade however a little pause and consideration to think critically about what we are buying into is a healthy way to be :). That way we can make some rational choices rather than purchase on pure impulse because it sounds great. Peace and have fun.
 
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My comparison was including the exorbitant cost of DDR4 ram that is compulsory with the X99 upgrade. Once you factor that in vs using existing DDR3 modules it's a big saving ($300 +)

Which only really becomes >$300 if you're using already owned DDR3, which isn't always the case.
 
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You're stating the obvious there but, yes :clap:.

It has to be said, because people often try to argue their cases for budgeting with a lot of assumptions that don't apply to many scenarios. Re-buying certain components is a wash in many scenarios and certainly necessary to be explicit when comparing advantages this close in price. For instance, all my extra DDR3 from my 3570k upgrade went into my ESXi server.
 
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It has to be said, because people often try to argue their cases for budgeting with a lot of assumptions that don't apply to many scenarios. Re-buying certain components is a wash in many scenarios and certainly necessary to be explicit when comparing advantages this close in price. For instance, all my extra DDR3 from my 3570k upgrade went into my ESXi server.

Still cheaper to save and not buy into the X99 platform right now. Wait until Skylake and mass adoption of DDR4. That has to be said too :roll:
 
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