PC QUESTIONS! :)

[MxPhenom 216]

I don't know if this thread is a big joke, but come on a an ATI 6850 + Phenon II X6 1055T is more than enough for Counter Strike Global Offensive. I can't see why an upgrade would be necessary. You are getting 150FPS, that is 2.5x more frame rate necessary to run a game in its more ideal situation (60FPS). Throwing money on an endeavour expecting more performance is a complete waste of time.

if you actually read anything, he said he runs a 144hz screen and when his fps drops below that he gets stutters which is what he's trying to get rid off. Those stutters and wierd drops could probably be alleviated by CPU OC.

 

[flmatter]

He could upgrade to Phenom IIX6 1100T or even try beta bios and install a FX-8150 cpu, cheaper by far. But I believe he will still need a new gpu to continue to drive that 144mhz monitor. Either that or he needs to turn the refresh rate down on it and a lot of his issues will go away. What make and model is the monitor?

Based on his earlier topic post (or he just renamed this one), he sounds bound and determined to buy a new set up anyways. Just like the US Gov't, don't fix the problem just throw money at it.

 

[de.das.dude]

Hello guys, this is my first post here

I currently own a amd phenom II x6 1055t 2.80GHz wich I am selling.

My RAM: 8GB 1333MHZ
My HDD is a 128 gb really bad
My motherboard: motherboard asus m4a89gtd
My gpu: ASUS EAH6850 1GB GDDR5 256BIT (SAME AS AMD RADEON HD6850)

The main reason here that I am selling my CPU and MOTHERBOARD is that I think that the performance is not being that fantastic, not on the desktop but mainly on Counter Strike - Global Offensive.

I've been searching alot arround this question and I really really want to know what to do, I've done some research and this game is related to be a heavy processor game, so the CPU is more important than the GPU, I only play "Counter Strike - Global Offensive" and thats pretty much the game I enjoy playing. My GPU is a Asus EAH6850 1GB GDDR5 256Bits (same as AMD Radeaon HD 6850)

My problem is that sometimes the fps drop for less than 150, and I get like 120....and I own a 144hz monitor so I experience some stutering(I think its the word)/lag low performance.

I really want to know first of all your opinions and suggestions, I had also been looking for this cpu:

i5 4690K or just the 4690, again I would like to know your opinions since i will mainly play this game, and I will not certainly overclock my CPU. I would also love to know a good motherboard for the cpu that you guys think will be more worth in my case.

I will upgrade my GPU LATER ON this year maybe on the 2014 falling.. or 2015.

Thanks and please help me solve this




thanks!

as long as fps is above 30 or 40 there should not be any stuttering. doesnt matter what the refresh rate of your monitor is. it refreshes at 144hz even if your game is playing at 500fps or 50fps.


highly doubt a phenom 6 core will bottle neck since i recently upgraded from a phenom quad core to this 8 core FX. i didnt face any issues while running heavier games before. only reason i upgraded was i need 8 cores for rendering. and 6850 is plenty fast for a silly game with low requirements like CS:GO


I suspect the hard drive for causing stutters rather than anything else. bad hard drive = it cant load textures to the graphics card fast enough,

 

[Dent1]

Since your are only playing CS:GO
Just buy the GTX970... no need to upgrade other... that should be fine!

Why buy an GTX970 when his 6850 is doing fine. 150FPS. The OP is being overly critical on what is actually good performance.

if you actually read anything, he said he runs a 144hz screen and when his fps drops below that he gets stutters which is what he's trying to get rid off. Those stutters and wierd drops could probably be alleviated by CPU OC.

Yes it drops to 120 FPS, which is very good performance still. No overclock or new hardware needed. Any stutter is probably in the OPs head or driver related. Maybe HDD related as de.das.dude pointed out.

 

[de.das.dude]

OP did say his HDD is a really bad 120GB.
that hdd has to be atleast 10 years old. since they didnt sell 120GB ever since 500GB and 1TB came out 7-10 years ago approx.

 

[RCoon]

Stutter is caused by a sudden drop of FPS from a relatively high one (as long as the monitor is capable of displaying it) to a low FPS figure. If a monitor can display 200 FPS, then a sudden drop from from 200FPS to 40FPS will show obvious and clear stutter to anyone, I know, I ran a 144hz monitor for CSGO myself a year ago. It shouldn't be confused with stutter we think of when AMD had issues in years past, that was stutter caused by frame latency.

The obvious way to me, to alleviate minimum FPS (a la reduce the stutter effect from 144 to a 40 drop, to perhaps 144 to a 80 drop) would be to OC or replace the CPU with something with higher IPC performance, or turn on VSync and cap the FPS to an average figure that will reduce potential maximum shown FPS, and reduce the amount of stutter due to a smaller FPS drop. For example, enable VSync and cap the FPS at 90, so when it drops from 90 to 40 the stutter will be minimalised.

But considering he's running a 144hz monitor, I'd rather buy a shiny new CPU to run that baby.

Another possibility is that his GPU VRAM is getting filled, and his RAM is offloading some of the textures. This will cause a very clear performance drop, as DDR3 1333mhz RAM is nowhere near as fast as GDDR5 VRAM. I'm not sure how CSGO streams textures, whether it loads them all instantly into VRAM, or whether it trickles them in during gamplay (which could cause these stutters if the VRAM buffer is filled)

I'm no expert, I'm just throwing out laymen explanations that would be relatively basic causes.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

as long as fps is above 30 or 40 there should not be any stuttering. doesnt matter what the refresh rate of your monitor is. it refreshes at 144hz even if your game is playing at 500fps or 50fps.


highly doubt a phenom 6 core will bottle neck since i recently upgraded from a phenom quad core to this 8 core FX. i didnt face any issues while running heavier games before. only reason i upgraded was i need 8 cores for rendering. and 6850 is plenty fast for a silly game with low requirements like CS:GO


I suspect the hard drive for causing stutters rather than anything else. bad hard drive = it cant load textures to the graphics card fast enough,

Just like RCoon was saying, An instant drop of fps from 150 to 120 or whatever it seems to be dropping too can result in a stutter to the human eye. The bigger the difference between the previous FPS to what it dropped to that millisecond will determine the degree of that stuttering.

 

[Dent1]

Couldn't the OP use software to lock the frame rate to 60FPS or 100FPS. Lock it to a sensible number, that way this drop won't happen.

I believe fraps allows you to lock the FPS whilst recording, but I'm sure there is more suitable software that can do this too.

 

[RCoon]

Couldn't the OP use software to lock the frame rate to 60FPS or 100FPS. Lock it to a sensible number, that way this drop won't happen.

I believe fraps allows you to lock the FPS whilst recording, but I'm sure there is more suitable software that can do this too.

You can set FPS Caps in CSGO, then again most CSGO players buy 144hz monitors to get that extra edge. I don't think he wants to FPS Cap to remove stuttering, I think he would rather maintain higher FPS.

 

[eidairaman1]

This, only other way is turn off eye candy and drop resolution, there are some games that would just stutter in certain places no matter the card-happened between a 9700 pro and nv5200 in the day.

Stutter is caused by a sudden drop of FPS from a relatively high one (as long as the monitor is capable of displaying it) to a low FPS figure. If a monitor can display 200 FPS, then a sudden drop from from 200FPS to 40FPS will show obvious and clear stutter to anyone, I know, I ran a 144hz monitor for CSGO myself a year ago. It shouldn't be confused with stutter we think of when AMD had issues in years past, that was stutter caused by frame latency.

The obvious way to me, to alleviate minimum FPS (a la reduce the stutter effect from 144 to a 40 drop, to perhaps 144 to a 80 drop) would be to OC or replace the CPU with something with higher IPC performance, or turn on VSync and cap the FPS to an average figure that will reduce potential maximum shown FPS, and reduce the amount of stutter due to a smaller FPS drop. For example, enable VSync and cap the FPS at 90, so when it drops from 90 to 40 the stutter will be minimalised.

But considering he's running a 144hz monitor, I'd rather buy a shiny new CPU to run that baby.

Another possibility is that his GPU VRAM is getting filled, and his RAM is offloading some of the textures. This will cause a very clear performance drop, as DDR3 1333mhz RAM is nowhere near as fast as GDDR5 VRAM. I'm not sure how CSGO streams textures, whether it loads them all instantly into VRAM, or whether it trickles them in during gamplay (which could cause these stutters if the VRAM buffer is filled)

I'm no expert, I'm just throwing out laymen explanations that would be relatively basic causes.

 

[RCoon]

turn off eye candy and drop resolution

This is viable, and was my solution back in the CS 1.6 days. Drop res, turn off fancy textures. As CSGO is CPU orientated (Can somebody tell me if it's multithreaded or not? I don't know), I'd opt for removing CPU processed options within the menu, as reducing GPU processed data will only increase maximum FPS and not do much for minimum.

I'm sure there are experts on CS graphics on the internet somewhere.

 

[Papahyooie]

No human eye needs 140 fps. Set a fps cap at 60 or 80 and be done with it. Anything above that is placebo e-peen effect. Spend your money on a better hard drive or SSD, or if you plan on playing other games (which you should, because CS sucks) then buy the graphics card. Upgrading ANYTHING to play that game is a waste. I still use a Phenom II quad core, and play the latest games on mostly the highest settings, at 60 fps or better. If an old ass graphics card can hit over 100 fps in CS, then you don't need to upgrade anything to play CS.

 

[64K]

This is viable, and was my solution back in the CS 1.6 days. Drop res, turn off fancy textures. As CSGO is CPU orientated (Can somebody tell me if it's multithreaded or not? I don't know), I'd opt for removing CPU processed options within the menu, as reducing GPU processed data will only increase maximum FPS and not do much for minimum.

I'm sure there are experts on CS graphics on the internet somewhere.

I'm limited in what sites I can access here at work but I believe it is multi threaded and I ran across something the OP can try before spending any money on this site

http://csgohelp.com/launch-options/

"
-threads <number of cores/threads>
So far, I was not able to find a definitive information about the maximum
number of threads that CS:GO uses and if this launchoption makes any sense.
If you have a CPU with 4 or more cores, you can try to set -threads to the
number of cores (or number of threads if you own a CPU with 2 threads/core)
you have, but right now I can not guarantee that your performance will
improve. Test it, if you don't notice any difference or your performance is
actually worse, remove the launchoption again."

 

[eidairaman1]

This is viable, and was my solution back in the CS 1.6 days. Drop res, turn off fancy textures. As CSGO is CPU orientated (Can somebody tell me if it's multithreaded or not? I don't know), I'd opt for removing CPU processed options within the menu, as reducing GPU processed data will only increase maximum FPS and not do much for minimum.

I'm sure there are experts on CS graphics on the internet somewhere.

Someone said it is here but im unsure how accurate the statement is-http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3044870

 

[Dent1]

You can set FPS Caps in CSGO, then again most CSGO players buy 144hz monitors to get that extra edge. I don't think he wants to FPS Cap to remove stuttering, I think he would rather maintain higher FPS.

The thing is he is getting highs of 150FPs and lows of 120FPS. Wouldn't it be better to lock it at 120FPS or 60FPS than have it bouncing from 150FPS - 120FPS. Higher FPS is better but after a while its a diminishing return which could be better used to increase quality by forcing AA or AF.

Edit:

The OP has only a 128GB HDD. The capacity is very small, if that's a disk drive maybe its filling up and generally underperforming. Maybe its an SSD? That would explain the size but not the performance. hmm

 

[RCoon]

The thing is he is getting highs of 150FPs and lows of 120FPS. Wouldn't it be better to lock it at 120FPS or 60FPS than have it bouncing from 150FPS - 120FPS. Higher FPS is better but after a while its a diminishing return which could be better used to increase quality by forcing AA or AF.

Edit:

The OP has only a 128GB HDD. The capacity is very small, if that's a disk drive maybe its filling up and generally underperforming. Maybe its an SSD? That would explain the size but not the performance. hmm

Depends whether he values frames (game performance) over quality (eye candy). Most people I know prefer the frames on CS, I have yet to meet someone who plays it for the scenery

As for the HDD, it does seem odd that it's 128GB.

No human eye needs 140 fps. Set a fps cap at 60 or 80 and be done with it. Anything above that is placebo e-peen effect. Spend your money on a better hard drive or SSD, or if you plan on playing other games (which you should, because CS sucks) then buy the graphics card. Upgrading ANYTHING to play that game is a waste. I still use a Phenom II quad core, and play the latest games on mostly the highest settings, at 60 fps or better. If an old ass graphics card can hit over 100 fps in CS, then you don't need to upgrade anything to play CS.

Oh my, you need educating on the human eye. Various websites can give you some factual proof, as well as some shiny high to low FPS videos to prove otherwise
I thought that argument was over years ago, when the entire internet definitively proved the eye was capable of seeing more than 24 FPS Saying you can't see 140 FPS is like saying the Earth is flat because your book says so and it makes sense to you.

You need more science in your life my friend, it is far more fun than what teachers make it out to be.

 

[64K]

The OP has only a 128GB HDD. The capacity is very small, if that's a disk drive maybe its filling up and generally underperforming. Maybe its an SSD? That would explain the size but not the performance. hmm

The OP described it as

"My HDD is a 128 gb really bad"

in the first post. I think it's an old HDD. I'm thinking it's time for a new drive anyway. He says he only plays CSGO and one other game so a 120/128 GB SSD would be ideal for him.

 

[eidairaman1]

Samsung 830/840 or Seagate Momentus XT

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Depends whether he values frames (game performance) over quality (eye candy). Most people I know prefer the frames on CS, I have yet to meet someone who plays it for the scenery

As for the HDD, it does seem odd that it's 128GB.



Oh my, you need educating on the human eye. Various websites can give you some factual proof, as well as some shiny high to low FPS videos to prove otherwise
I thought that argument was over years ago, when the entire internet definitively proved the eye was capable of seeing more than 24 FPS Saying you can't see 140 FPS is like saying the Earth is flat because your book says so and it makes sense to you.

You need more science in your life my friend, it is far more fun than what teachers make it out to be.

Samsung 830/840 or Seagate Momentus XT

Id recommend more along the lines of a Plextor 256GB M6S. Better deal for 256GB than about 99% of SSDs, and they perform pretty damn well.

 

[Tuna Yücer]

people is sayign that it will botleneck

It shouldn't botteleck. Maybe %5. Phenom II processors are powerful but old.
Here's your CPU's Integer and Floating Point Performance:

 

[de.das.dude]

Just like RCoon was saying, An instant drop of fps from 150 to 120 or whatever it seems to be dropping too can result in a stutter to the human eye. The bigger the difference between the previous FPS to what it dropped to that millisecond will determine the degree of that stuttering.

cant really argue legitly on that since i have a lazy eye lol. guess it automatically smooths stuff for me