TPU's WCG/BOINC Team

thebluebumblebee · Nov 20, 2014

stinger608 said:
I wish we had some kind of a sub-forum that this could be discussed in without being completely public.

Start a conversation and invite everyone you want.
But, I think the idea's dead anyway. Good idea though.

mjkmike · Nov 20, 2014

The old crunchers helping crunchers works for me and if any member needs extra help just start a new thread and explain why. This is a great team with a lot of members that will help a friend in need. :lovetpu:

twilyth · Nov 20, 2014

For what it's worth, I think as soon as you start formalizing things like this, they stop working. In my personal opinion, the reason things here work as well as they do is because everything happens pretty spontaneously. And I think that's the way it should be.

This is supposed to be fun, not a second job. You should do things because you want to not because all of your team mates seem to be doing something and you feel guilty for not going along with it - which is I think is what could happen if giving becomes "institutionalized."

And besides, we're not the United Way or Rotary Club and I don't think we should be trying to head in that direction.

Arjai · Nov 20, 2014

Norton said:
Good example!

In the past a Team member would post something like this in the Crunchers Helping Crunchers thread. This would/could be followed by another Team member posting "I have a (insert part name), drop me a PM if interested" or just YGPM.

The thing missing in this process is a group funding initiative but it has happened in the past where two or more members have discussed helping another member and came through for them.

um, Thanks again guys.

t_ski · Nov 20, 2014

xvi said:
I think it needs a fancy acronym like "Techpowerup, A Crunching Organization" (TACO)

twilyth · Nov 20, 2014

Something else I should add is that I know several people who have to get by on disability and a computer really wouldn't be on the top of their list of things they want - not because they wouldn't like to have one but because it doesn't really do them any good w/o internet access. Instead, to the extent that they have disposable income, it's much more cost effective for them to get a smart phone.

In fact that's why you're seeing things like Googlecast and Miracast becoming more popular. I ordered one of the Amazon FireStick HDMI dongles for this expressed purpose - to help someone out who can't afford to pay for internet access or a landline phone. All they have is their cellphone. But with Miracast and a bluetooth keyboard/touchpad, they can use their TV to surf the web, at least in theory. So I'm going to test that theory out when the Firestick ships next month. If it works as advertised, then I'll be able to help this person get full web access through their phone, just as if they were on a computer.

The point here is that anyone who already has a computer and web access is doing pretty well compared to a lot of folks out there. That doesn't mean we shouldn't help each other out as the need arises, but let's keep in perspective what we mean by the word "need."

thebluebumblebee · Nov 20, 2014

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TRWOV · Nov 20, 2014

twilyth said:
For what it's worth, I think as soon as you start formalizing things like this, they stop working. In my personal opinion, the reason things here work as well as they do is because everything happens pretty spontaneously. And I think that's the way it should be.

This is supposed to be fun, not a second job. You should do things because you want to not because all of your team mates seem to be doing something and you feel guilty for not going along with it - which is I think is what could happen if giving becomes "institutionalized."

And besides, we're not the United Way or Rotary Club and I don't think we should be trying to head in that direction.

I concur completely. I think that the "Crunchers helping crunchers" thread is enough for this. If someone wants to send money each other's way in order to help they can do so through PMs and such. I don't really want DRAMA to creep up on what we do and having any sort of "official" body will make sure that we do get DRAMA over time. We've seen a couple of guys getting annoyed over not winning any game on the challenge giveaways and that's a free gift, involve donated money and things would escalate.

Tallencor · Nov 20, 2014

twilyth said:
Something else I should add is that I know several people who have to get by on disability and a computer really wouldn't be on the top of their list of things they want - not because they wouldn't like to have one but because it doesn't really do them any good w/o internet access. Instead, to the extent that they have disposable income, it's much more cost effective for them to get a smart phone.

In fact that's why you're seeing things like Googlecast and Miracast becoming more popular. I ordered one of the Amazon FireStick HDMI dongles for this expressed purpose - to help someone out who can't afford to pay for internet access or a landline phone. All they have is their cellphone. But with Miracast and a bluetooth keyboard/touchpad, they can use their TV to surf the web, at least in theory. So I'm going to test that theory out when the Firestick ships next month. If it works as advertised, then I'll be able to help this person get full web access through their phone, just as if they were on a computer.

The point here is that anyone who already has a computer and web access is doing pretty well compared to a lot of folks out there. That doesn't mean we shouldn't help each other out as the need arises, but let's keep in perspective what we mean by the word "need."

TRWOV said:
I concur completely. I think that the "Crunchers helping crunchers" thread is enough for this. If someone wants to send money each other's way in order to help they can do so through PMs and such. I don't really want DRAMA to creep up on what we do and having any sort of "official" body will make sure that we do get DRAMA over time. We've seen a couple of guys getting annoyed over not winning any game on the challenge giveaways and that's a free gift, involve donated money and things would escalate.

Very valid points.

On this topic in general, I believe, after hearing every ones stance, the overall cons overshadow the pro's substantially enough to not have something like this implemented. After all it is no small undertaking initially or during. The perception of such a feature being misunderstood or misused by the community as a whole into the future is very real. The minimal drama on this forum is what makes it so awesome to belong to. I certainly wouldn't want to see that change.

A very big thank you to all the members who contributed their extremely diplomatic views on the subject. And for also sharing their views pertaining to both sides of the discussion :respect:

Crunch on cruncher's. :lovetpu:

theonedub · Nov 21, 2014

I was going to post my #hottake on the subject, but xvi, twilyth and a couple others have already posted thoughts that align with mine.

xvi · Nov 21, 2014

twilyth said:
Something else I should add is that I know several people who have to get by on disability and a computer really wouldn't be on the top of their list of things they want - not because they wouldn't like to have one but because it doesn't really do them any good w/o internet access. Instead, to the extent that they have disposable income, it's much more cost effective for them to get a smart phone.

In fact that's why you're seeing things like Googlecast and Miracast becoming more popular. I ordered one of the Amazon FireStick HDMI dongles for this expressed purpose - to help someone out who can't afford to pay for internet access or a landline phone. All they have is their cellphone. But with Miracast and a bluetooth keyboard/touchpad, they can use their TV to surf the web, at least in theory. So I'm going to test that theory out when the Firestick ships next month. If it works as advertised, then I'll be able to help this person get full web access through their phone, just as if they were on a computer.

The point here is that anyone who already has a computer and web access is doing pretty well compared to a lot of folks out there. That doesn't mean we shouldn't help each other out as the need arises, but let's keep in perspective what we mean by the word "need."

My old Droid X2, MicroHDMI cable, powered OTG cable, USB keyboard/mouse, done. Internet-capable, decently feature-rich. For not a whole lot more, one could easily grab something like a MK802, MK808, or MK809 (or competing products). Those things will take Linux too. Stupid-nice for the price.

Edit: MK809 for $50 shipped. MK808b for $40. These things are cheaper than I remember.

Norton · Nov 21, 2014

theonedub said:
I was going to post my #hottake on the subject, but xvi, twilyth and a couple others have already posted thoughts that align with mine.

By popular sentiment I declare a

Thank you for a civil debate! :lovetpu:

Toothless · Nov 21, 2014

So just adding in..

I'm sorry that I haven't been doing much on WCG. My laptop has been under some stress and I'm going to be out of town for a bit coming this Monday.

But I have this cute little netbook with an Atom N270 in it that I'm going to run WCG on. Hopefully the wireless card will stop "disappearing" and constantly work while I'm gone.

Maybe when I'm back, I'll add a 4790k to the fleet.

Also anyone know if WCG can run on a Chromebook? If so then I'll switch out the netbook for the chromebook for WCG. (All is in my sig)

BUCK NASTY · Nov 21, 2014

Norton said:
By popular sentiment I declare a

Thank you for a civil debate!

Speaking of Drama Free.....I switched over to XtremeSystems this morning. We are in a comfortable 3rd place, but I want to see a real race for 1st place. I'll be back as soon as soon as the race ends. Remember that XS helped seed this team some years ago(remember the xsrefugees?). I hope you guy's can understand or at least tolerate my choice. No haters please.

Tallencor · Nov 21, 2014

BUCK NASTY said:
Speaking of Drama Free.....I switched over to XtremeSystems this morning. We are in a comfortable 3rd place, but I want to see a real race for 1st place. I'll be back as soon as soon as the race ends. Remember that XS helped seed this team some years ago(remember the xsrefugees?). I hope you guy's can understand or at least tolerate my choice. No haters please.

I keep looking @ your avatar wondering if this is going to end up costing us 1 meeleion dollars?
Edit: should also mention that your position makes sense. Not hating here. After all the wu's all end up in the same place.

Norton · Nov 21, 2014

BUCK NASTY said:
Speaking of Drama Free.....I switched over to XtremeSystems this morning. We are in a comfortable 3rd place, but I want to see a real race for 1st place. I'll be back as soon as soon as the race ends. Remember that XS helped seed this team some years ago(remember the xsrefugees?). I hope you guy's can understand or at least tolerate my choice. No haters please.

We'll keep you dealt in until you get back to the table

ChristTheGreat · Nov 21, 2014

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I think my server has new OS drive coming!

manofthem · Nov 21, 2014

BUCK NASTY said:
Speaking of Drama Free.....I switched over to XtremeSystems this morning. We are in a comfortable 3rd place, but I want to see a real race for 1st place. I'll be back as soon as soon as the race ends. Remember that XS helped seed this team some years ago(remember the xsrefugees?). I hope you guy's can understand or at least tolerate my choice. No haters please.

xvi · Nov 21, 2014

Lightbulbie said:
I'm sorry that I haven't been doing much on WCG. My laptop has been under some stress and I'm going to be out of town for a bit coming this Monday. But I have this cute little netbook with an Atom N270 in it that I'm going to run WCG on. Hopefully the wireless card will stop "disappearing" and constantly work while I'm gone. Maybe when I'm back, I'll add a 4790k to the fleet.
Also anyone know if WCG can run on a Chromebook? If so then I'll switch out the netbook for the chromebook for WCG. (All is in my sig)

A) No worries. It's a donation of resources, not a requirement. Crunch what you can if you feel like it. :toast:

B) If you can get Ubuntu on it (not sure about this one) or if you can install normal Android apps, then there should be WUs for the ARM processors just like there are for the phones. If I have time this weekend, I'll see about getting BOINC going on my RasPi to confirm.

Come to think of it, phones these days are capable of a good couple PPD. If those "Android on a stick" devices are only $50 each, that might actually be somewhat cost effective.

WCG System Requirements state that ARM processors are supported by the FAAH - Vina project.

Toothless · Nov 21, 2014

xvi said:
A) No worries. It's a donation of resources, not a requirement. Crunch what you can if you feel like it.
B) If you can get Ubuntu on it (not sure about this one) or if you can install normal Android apps, then there should be WUs for the ARM processors just like there are for the phones. If I have time this weekend, I'll see about getting BOINC going on my RasPi to confirm.

Come to think of it, phones these days are capable of a good couple PPD. If those "Android on a stick" devices are only $50 each, that might actually be somewhat cost effective.

WCG System Requirements state that ARM processors are supported by the FAAH - Vina project.

Well I really wanted to slap Win8.1 on it with the OS image that uses less than 4GB but I heard the BIOS locks any OS change out.

[Ion] · Nov 21, 2014

Well, I have another laptop that I've gotten up and running--a 12" HP with an i7-640LM. HP, in all of their wisdom, designed it to only take a 1.8" HDD, which I'm far too cheap to pay for. So I took a 320GB 2.5" drive, put it in a USB enclosure and installed Linux Mint to that. Given that the OS is running over USB2 speeds, it doesn't feel as slow as I'd expect.

It's now crunching away right along Magdeburg

xvi · Nov 21, 2014

[Ion] said:
12" HP with an i7-640LM

Lightbulbie said:
Well I really wanted to slap Win8.1 on it with the OS image that uses less than 4GB but I heard the BIOS locks any OS change out.

Oh, one of the x86 Chromebooks? Yeah, they lock most Windows stuff out. If you can get Linux to work, I suspect it'd work well.

xvi · Nov 21, 2014

Edit: Wrong button. My apologies.

Tallencor · Nov 21, 2014

Ugh. Welcome winter. This is the longest/most boring day at work in a very long time. I have been looking out my window watching it snow for 6 hrs. The bright side of this is in 2.5 hrs I am finally on my way to get that server in the city. Think I may go check my tire pressure.

twilyth · Nov 21, 2014

BUCK NASTY said:
Speaking of Drama Free.....I switched over to XtremeSystems this morning. We are in a comfortable 3rd place, but I want to see a real race for 1st place. I'll be back as soon as soon as the race ends. Remember that XS helped seed this team some years ago(remember the xsrefugees?). I hope you guy's can understand or at least tolerate my choice. No haters please.

That's cool. I just wish that they felt the same. Norton invited them back to use our forum as a gathering place while their site was down but they didn't seem interested. They pitched a tent on the WCG forum instead. Oh well. It would have been nice to have had a team reunion.

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TPU's WCG/BOINC Team

thebluebumblebee

mjkmike

twilyth

Arjai

t_ski

Former Staff

twilyth

thebluebumblebee

TRWOV

Tallencor

TPU's First Patreon

theonedub

habe fidem

xvi

Norton

Moderator - Returning from the Darkness

Toothless

Tech, Games, and TPU!

BUCK NASTY

4P Enthusiust

Tallencor

TPU's First Patreon

Norton

Moderator - Returning from the Darkness

ChristTheGreat

manofthem

WCG-TPU Team All-Star!

xvi

Toothless

Tech, Games, and TPU!

[Ion]

WCG Team Assistant

xvi

xvi

Tallencor

TPU's First Patreon

twilyth

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