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I recently did a PC repair job for a client which required upgrading from Vista with a legit copy of Windows 7 Pro 64-bit as part of the fix.

I gave him the product link on Amazon and told him to buy it direct from them, not the marketplace, but of course he didn't listen to me.

He came over with it and I checked it out. Lots of spelling mistakes all over the place, odd looking packaging, poor quality printing and the DVD had a fake-looking hologram stuck in the centre.

Check out the photo below, taken from Amazon UK's website; the disc looked exactly like this one. I pointed out that it was pirate and likely harboured malware, but he was impatient and stupid, so said to install it anyway. Whatever, it was his money and his security.

I installed the OS and it went on fine, but then surprise surprise refused to activate, giving the blocked key message below.

I then got him to complain to Amazon, not the seller, about the counterfeit, fraudulent software where they promptly refunded him and emailed him a strongly apologetic template message about not tolerating this on their website.

Not trusting him not to fuck it up again, this time I gave him a link to get it from Scan. This time, the packaging and disc looked legit, so it installed and activated just fine. Yes, I formatted the hard disc first. ;)

What gets me, is how brazenly these marketplace sellers are flogging their pirate crapware and Amazon just looks the other way until someone complains. It's obviously because they get a big fat cut of the sales, making them equally complicit in the crime.

I'm also very surprised that Microsoft doesn't come down hard on Amazon - one of the biggest online retailers - for this, since the evidence of rampant piracy is abundant on their website. Are they not interested in stopping it? Anyone have any ideas?

Finally, I've never liked the product activation DRM, but this is one time that I'm glad it was there, since it prevented a dodgy and likely infected copy of Windows from being used.


 
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Is that picture of the disc another fake one or a legit copy of Windows? The blurb on the right side of the disc looks strange to me. It's almost touching the center of the disc.

With this thread, you've just made me remember why I'm hesitant to buy anything on Amazon, especially PC parts.
 

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It's fake, as I explained above.

You shouldn't fear getting PC parts from Amazon. Just make sure that you get it directly from them and not a marketplace seller. It's pretty easy to tell, too. If you've any doubts, just post the link on TPU and ask the members for an opinion. Just look for the Amazon logo under seller information. Amazon has really good customer service too, so it's worth it.

Finally, watch the price, since it can vary significantly over a short time, often being overpriced for a while until settling down to a reasonable value.
 

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Actually, last year, I purchased two "Kingston" SD cards, knowing Kingston has a lifetime warranty. Well, this year, I had to try to replace one, since it had died, and discovered that the part number on back was actually a Toshiba part number, with a 5 year warranty. Someone had stuck a kingston label on the toshiba part. I only paid like $6-7 for it, and it took a pain in the backside to get Amazon to refund my money, but I got it back. So, moral of the story, parts is questionable too....
 

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What gets me, is how brazenly these marketplace sellers are flogging their pirate crapware and Amazon just looks the other way until someone complains. It's obviously because they get a big fat cut of the sales, making them equally complicit in the crime.
Is the seller gone from the marketplace?
 
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why would they care?

only person losing out is the buyer.

amazon gets paid, seller gets paid and microsoft gets paid when the guy who gets ripped off still pays them for a real key.
 
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It's fake, as I explained above.

You shouldn't fear getting PC parts from Amazon. Just make sure that you get it directly from them and not a marketplace seller. It's pretty easy to tell, too. If you've any doubts, just post the link on TPU and ask the members for an opinion. Just look for the Amazon logo under seller information. Amazon has really good customer service too, so it's worth it.

Finally, watch the price, since it can vary significantly over a short time, often being overpriced for a while until settling down to a reasonable value.
I wonder how they printed the holographic Windows icons on the center ring of the disc?
 

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the holo stickers are easy to get on ebay
seriously Microsoft doesn't give two shits about piracy its good for there market share why do you think they are so lenient with the phone activation
they do how ever take issue with people selling pirated copy's as legit

its stupid easy to make a 8.1 install disk that will activate and remain activated until the end of time and nobody would know the difference without explicitly checking
these guys fail -50 POINTS FROM HUFFLEPUFF
 
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Do not lend or make illegal copies.
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If my friend won't buy this, what difference would it make? NONE.

I just need to read 1 line of their EULA to not agree. And if I do not agree, I can't buy it (or recommend).
I just have to use it sometimes because I am "obliged" to do it some times, direct or indirectly.
 

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hat gets me, is how brazenly these marketplace sellers are flogging their pirate crapware and Amazon just looks the other way until someone complains. It's obviously because they get a big fat cut of the sales, making them equally complicit in the crime.

Are you under the impression that Amazon physically looks at every product that is sold through the marketplace? Amazon never sees the product, that is the point of the marketplace. You place the order, the product ships directly from the marketplace seller to the customer. Amazon doesn't know it is fake UNTIL someone complains.
 

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I wonder how they printed the holographic Windows icons on the center ring of the disc?

It's a holo sticker and those are apparently easy to make afaik.

Are you under the impression that Amazon physically looks at every product that is sold through the marketplace? Amazon never sees the product, that is the point of the marketplace. You place the order, the product ships directly from the marketplace seller to the customer. Amazon doesn't know it is fake UNTIL someone complains.

You can see obviously fake stuff there without even trying as I said in my OP, hence, yes, Amazon could do a lot more to get it off there.
 

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You can see obviously fake stuff there without even trying as I said in my OP, hence, yes, Amazon could do a lot more to get it off there.
No you can't, 90% of the stuff is nothing more than a text description, and they don't put "this is counterfeit" in the description. The only hint might be the price, but even then, people are looking for good deals and some people actually do sell legit copies of OEM software for pretty cheap from time to time. Furthermore, even if they do include a picture of the disc like in your OP, what the disc looks like doesn't matter one bit. Hell, it could be a straight burnt disc with "Winders 7 Professionellz" written on it with sharpie, that doesn't make the license not legit. The disc has no bearing on if the product is legit or not.

The COA, or in the case of retail products the orange sticker, with the product key is what is important, and those are never pictured. And even then, it is so easy to just take a picture of a real COA, blur out the numbers and post that. But there are plenty of valid sellers that ship valid COAs with burnt media simply because they didn't have the media. They either took the COA off a dead computer or updated to Win8 and are selling the Win7 license that came with their PC. Yes, this technically isn't legit either, but the key should work just fine if they aren't still using it. And technically speaking, buying/selling an OEM version of Windows by self isn't legit either, so at that point you'd be splitting hairs.
 
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No you can't, 90% of the stuff is nothing more than a text description, and they don't put "this is counterfeit" in the description. The only hint might be the price, but even then, people are looking for good deals and some people actually do sell legit copies of OEM software for pretty cheap from time to time. Furthermore, even if they do include a picture of the disc like in your OP, what the disc looks like doesn't matter one bit. Hell, it could be a straight burnt disc with "Winders 7 Professionellz" written on it with sharpie, that doesn't make the license not legit. The disc has no bearing on if the product is legit or not.

The COA, or in the case of retail products the orange sticker, with the product key is what is important, and those are never pictured. And even then, it is so easy to just take a picture of a real COA, blur out the numbers and post that. But there are plenty of valid sellers that ship valid COAs with burnt media simply because they didn't have the media. They either took the COA off a dead computer or updated to Win8 and are selling the Win7 license that came with their PC. Yes, this technically isn't legit either, but the key should work just fine if they aren't still using it. And technically speaking, buying/selling an OEM version of Windows by self isn't legit either, so at that point you'd be splitting hairs.
this the COA/Key is all that matters
and you can `sell` dvds with a windows 8.1.1 iso on it
just not a key/coa
you can install windows with the kms setup key and use it for 30 days before it will complain about activation
I routinely download windows iso's to use with customer machines its not a issue
as long as you have a key you can activate you are "legit" you can even script the key installation via the $oem folder so there is no need for any user intervention outside of final setup
 

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NT, when they're selling software as legit and it's on a fake disc that's design to fool people into thinking it's legit, it should raise a red flag for Amazon to investigate. Note that the other side of the disc looks silver like a pressed disc, lending further weight to the intention to fool people.

Yes, they could sell Windows on a burned disc with a valid licence if it was a retail version and explain this, but that's not how they're marketing them, so again, they're duping people.

And you yourself are saying that flogging an OEM licence off a dead PC isn't legit, which is true. So again, it's pirate software flogged as legit when it isn't, so this is fraud hence you should know this and not defend the practice. This isn't splitting hairs.

Finally, as you well know, Amazon, doesn't have to check every seller for dodgy software. It's enough to do random testing with sever punishments if counterfeits are found to discourage most of this activity.
 
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Anyhoo... I have to agree with you to a certain extent here Quby... 3rd parties are selling through amazon so one would hope they could vet the vendor or product. But seeing as how there is so many products, I imagine that is next to impossible.

As was mentioned above, you can sell a disk so 'looking at it' really doesn't tell you anything as I can just put windows on a dvd and sell it there, just not the key if I used it. If amazon checked, how would they know the key was legit? What if it wasn't the 3rd party vendor's fault the key is bad? I bought a boxed Windows from newegg once and its key was bad...

How would you have them confirm the key is active?
 
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I wonder how they printed the holographic Windows icons on the center ring of the disc?

My next door neighbor has a cd\dvd printer and it can print to the whole disk, the dam things cost 2-5k to buy.
 

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My next door neighbor has a cd\dvd printer and it can print to the whole disk, the dam things cost 2-5k to buy.
I can go to the local print shop and they will do it for ~300.00 bucks for a set of 50
 
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Anyhoo... I have to agree with you to a certain extent here Quby... 3rd parties are selling through amazon so one would hope they could vet the vendor or product. But seeing as how there is so many products, I imagine that is next to impossible.

As was mentioned above, you can sell a disk so 'looking at it' really doesn't tell you anything as I can just put windows on a dvd and sell it there, just not the key if I used it. If amazon checked, how would they know the key was legit? What if it wasn't the 3rd party vendor's fault the key is bad? I bought a boxed Windows from newegg once and its key was bad...

How would you have them confirm the key is active?

Seems you shortened your reply.
 
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Its just odd that the old response came up when i quoted your new post. Was gonna make a stupid comment about him coming back because he is human and it is our right to do what we please......nevermind.
 
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NT, when they're selling software as legit and it's on a fake disc that's design to fool people into thinking it's legit, it should raise a red flag for Amazon to investigate. Note that the other side of the disc looks silver like a pressed disc, lending further weight to the intention to fool people.

You either seem to not be reading what I'm saying or have comprehension issues. The disc means nothing. So the disc looks somewhat legit, some people take pride in what they sell, doesn't mean they are trying to screw people over. They aren't selling the disc anyway, they're selling the key. And Amazon would have no way to confirm the key is legit.

Yes, they could sell Windows on a burned disc with a valid licence if it was a retail version and explain this, but that's not how they're marketing them, so again, they're duping people.

It doesn't need to be a retail version. They could sell any version with a burnt disc.

And you yourself are saying that flogging an OEM licence off a dead PC isn't legit, which is true. So again, it's pirate software flogged as legit when it isn't, so this is fraud hence you should know this and not defend the practice. This isn't splitting hairs.

It is splitting hairs because you buying(or instructing an end user to buy) an OEM copy is just as wrong. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You are saying the sellers shouldn't be doing something wrong, because it screws people over that are doing something wrong.

And selling a key from a dead PC is not pirated software. It is a violation of the license, that is not piracy. Microsoft has been paid for that copy of Windows, if it was pirated they would not have been paid at all for that copy. The morals of reselling an OEM copy of Windows, or even re-using it yourself on more than one PC, is a different topic.

Finally, as you well know, Amazon, doesn't have to check every seller for dodgy software. It's enough to do random testing with sever punishments if counterfeits are found to discourage most of this activity.

And how would they do these random checks? Buy a copy, at Amazon's cost, and try to activate it? Maybe the should set up stings, have undercover people buying things from random marketplace sellers, all at Amazon's cost, and kicking people off the marketplace every time they find a copy that isn't legit?

Yeah, that definitely makes a heck of a lot more sense than their current policy of punishing the seller when there is a complaint. I mean, it would make Amazon loose a shit load of money, defeat the purpose of the marketplace entirely, but yeah that's a much better way to do it.
 
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