Get your pirate Windows courtesy of Amazon!

[OneMoar]

You either seem to not be reading what I'm saying or have comprehension issues. The disc means nothing. So the disc looks somewhat legit, some people take pride in what they sell, doesn't mean they are trying to screw people over. They aren't selling the disc anyway, they're selling the key. And Amazon would have no way to confirm the key is legit.



It doesn't need to be a retail version. They could sell any version with a burnt disc.



It is splitting hairs because you buying(or instructing an end user to buy) an OEM copy is just as wrong. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You are saying the sellers shouldn't be doing something wrong, because it screws people over that are doing something wrong.

And selling a key from a dead PC is not pirated software. It is a violation of the license, that is not piracy. Microsoft has been paid for that copy of Windows, if it was pirated they would not have been paid at all for that copy. The morals of reselling an OEM copy of Windows, or even re-using it yourself on more than one PC, is a different topic.



And how would they do these random checks? Buy a copy, at Amazon's cost, and try to activate it? Maybe the should set up stings, have undercover people buying things from random marketplace sellers, all at Amazon's cost, and kicking people off the marketplace every time they find a copy that isn't legit?

Yeah, that definitely makes a heck of a lot more sense than their current policy of punishing the seller when there is a complaint. I mean, it would make Amazon loose a shit load of money, defeat the purpose of the marketplace entirely, but yeah that's a much better way to do it.

@newtekie1 nails it again
I am done with this thread is doing more spinning and ending up in the ditch then the people in buffalo ny are

 

[Ahhzz]

I was in a ditch once.... blew a tire on a culvert pipe..... had to limp into the parking lot to change the tire.... annoying as hell, superbowl sunday... couldn't even drink the six pack since I still had to drive the rest of the way home....

 

[eidairaman1]

hey Q, shit happens, however not Amazon.com or even newegg can fully catch crooks 100%, remember that Debacle of Intel PIBs, nothing was in them but a piece of foam?

 

[EarthDog]

I do!! OCF broke that story.

 

[qubit]

Is the seller gone from the marketplace?

They're still there, but they're no longer the seller of that product. At least that was the case when I checked a while ago.

hey Q, shit happens, however not Amazon.com or even newegg can fully catch crooks 100%, remember that Debacle of Intel PIBs, nothing was in them but a piece of foam?

Not eliminate it, I'm just saying they could do a lot more to reduce it.

It's obvious from even a casual observation that there's rampant piracy there, let alone the deeper inspections that Amazon and Microsoft could do. As I said in a previous post, they don't have to go for everyone, just the biggest offenders, which will do a lot to curb it.

It's nonsense that a company with deep pockets like Amazon and in a likely partnership with Microsoft, couldn't do anything at all to curb it.

That's what NT is trying to say here and throwing out a lot of weak strawman arguments to try and justify his assertion. I see that he even insultingly accuses me of having "comprehension issues" back there - a sure sign of a losing argument. Also, it's weird how the only time I ever hear from him is when he chooses to nitpick on something obvious, makes an obviously wrong assertion and then runs and runs and runs with it with no end in sight, but that's our NT. He does it to other people too. I see he's still trying to justify why flogging a licence off a dead PC isn't piracy with yet more wrong arguments. You're wrong on that one, just admit it and quit looking even more foolish. Never mind, at least he's got his chum onemoar to side with him and feel better about it all, lol. I'm so glad onemoar's off my thread. Stay away, thanks.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ive seen faux paw screens for the Galaxy S2 T989 on there(Read several reviews). The one i purchased i got lucky because it's original (ffs i paid 80 bux for it). Whats good Is Amazon did refund yalls purchase and investigated yalls claim, if they hadn't then the amazon.com i knew 10 years ago ain't the same

They're still there, but they're no longer the seller of that product. At least that was the case when I checked a while ago.

It's obvious from even a casual observation that there's rampant piracy there, let alone the deeper inspections that Amazon and Microsoft could do. As I said in a previous post, they don't have to go for everyone, just the biggest offenders, which will do a lot to curb it.


Not eliminate it, I'm just saying they could do a lot more to reduce it.

It's nonsense that a company with deep pockets like Amazon and in a likely partnership with Microsoft, couldn't do anything at all to curb it.

That's what NT is trying to say here and throwing out a lot of weak strawman arguments to try and justify his assertion. I see that he even accuses me of having "comprehension issues" back there - sure sign of a losing argument. Also, it's weird how the only time I ever hear from him is when he chooses to nitpick on something obvious, makes an obviously wrong assertion and then runs and run and runs with it with no end in sight, but that's our NT. I see he's still trying to justify why flogging a licence off a dead PC isn't piracy with yet more wrong arguments. You're wrong on that one, just admit it and quit looking even more foolish. Never mind, at least he's got his chum onemoar to side with him and feel better about it all, lol. I'm so glad onemoar's off my thread. Stay away, thanks.

 

[newtekie1]

Not eliminate it, I'm just saying they could do a lot more to reduce it.

Not really. Your suggestions won't not work in real world practice. They would either cost an incredible amount of money, or defeat the purpose of the Marketplace in the first place.

It's obvious from even a casual observation that there's rampant piracy there, let alone the deeper inspections that Amazon and Microsoft could do. As I said in a previous post, they don't have to go for everyone, just the biggest offenders, which will do a lot to curb it.

You say that like they just magically know about all piracy, and should some how punish the ones that do it the most. Again, Amazon has no idea piracy has occurred until it is reported by the customer.

It's nonsense that a company with deep pockets like Amazon and in a likely partnership with Microsoft, couldn't do anything at all to curb it.

Without a way to validate keys, which I guarantee you Amazon doesn't have, there is literally no way to do anything. And again, it would require Amazon to be sent every key first and for them to validate the key before it is sent to the customer, again defeating the point of the Marketplace. The Marketplace is supposed to be an efficient way for sellers to sell items to consumers through Amazon without Amazon needing to do any work. As far as Amazon is concerned, the point of the Marketplace it to make money for doing nothing. If you ask them to validate every product that is a lot of money they are spending to pay people to do that...again that would be if they even had a way to do it.

Sure, they could pay people to review every Marketplace product, but again that is a lot of money and even if they did find a product they suspected was pirated they would have no way to verify if the key is legit or not.

That's what NT is trying to say here and throwing out a lot of weak strawman arguments to try and justify his assertion. I see that he even insultingly accuses me of having "comprehension issues" back there - a sure sign of a losing argument.

You don't have any clue what a straw man argument is do you? And I'm not insulting you, I'm stating you are either not reading what I'm saying or not comprehending it because I explained twice before that that the disc means nothing and you kept going on about how the disc was obviously fake and Amazon can use the discs to some how spot pirated copies.

Also, it's weird how the only time I ever hear from him is when he chooses to nitpick on something obvious, makes an obviously wrong assertion and then runs and runs and runs with it with no end in sight, but that's our NT. He does it to other people too.

Funny, I was just about to say the same thing about you. Heck, basically every thread you start is some rant where you are making BS assertions about how some company is evil and out to get you...

I see he's still trying to justify why flogging a licence off a dead PC isn't piracy with yet more wrong arguments. You're wrong on that one, just admit it and quit looking even more foolish.

Look up what piracy is. I'll give you a head start, violating the license agreement is not piracy. Oh, and as I said, buying an OEM copy as an end user violates the license as well. So you are just as in the wrong here as someone selling a key from a dead PC. These aren't wrong arguments, these are cold hard facts.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

They're still there, but they're no longer the seller of that product. At least that was the case when I checked a while ago.

Then what more do you expect from Amazon? Someone got scammed, Amazon refunded and removed the product from the marketplace. No reason to make a hateful thread directed at Amazon when Amazon covered your ass and made sure no one else got burned.

 

[Tonduluboy]

I think before anyone post a thread like this, they should complaint to Amazon 1st.
2nd. WAIT give them Amazon ample time to fix the problem.
3rd. If after a period of time Amazon did nothing, then you can open a topic about it.
4th. If Amazon did fix the problem, everyone is happy instead of arguing each other and before u even finish arguing your opinion, the Amazon already fix the problem.

 

[eidairaman1]

I think q is sayin buyer beware is all

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I wonder how much this person paid for Windows. Was it substantially less than $100? That's the first red flag.

 

[Arctucas]

I closed my Amazon account earlier this year because of one of their vendors pulling the old 'bait-and-switch'.

Although they refunded my money, I feel that I cannot trust them anymore.

To my mind, they have become no better than EBay.

Caveat emptor.

 

[newtekie1]

I closed my Amazon account earlier this year because of one of their vendors pulling the old 'bait-and-switch'.

Although they refunded my money, I feel that I cannot trust them anymore.

To my mind, they have become no better than EBay.

Caveat emptor.

That is kind of extreme considering the much simpler solution would to just not buy things from Marketplace sellers and make sure you are buying direct from Amazon. Newegg is beginning to have the same problem now that they've implemented an Marketplace, I assume you'll be closing your account there as well?

 

[Schmuckley]

hey Q, shit happens, however not Amazon.com or even newegg can fully catch crooks 100%, remember that Debacle of Intel PIBs, nothing was in them but a piece of foam?

I remember that.. i7 920s I believe.
owait..no..those were what looked like 920 IHSs with something else underneath.

My Google-Fu is strong:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/05/newegg_selling_fake_intel_cpus#.VHJFrmTlrmg

 

[Arctucas]

That is kind of extreme considering the much simpler solution would to just not buy things from Marketplace sellers and make sure you are buying direct from Amazon. Newegg is beginning to have the same problem now that they've implemented an Marketplace, I assume you'll be closing your account there as well?

No, as I always checkout as a Guest on Newegg, therefore I have no account to close.

However, Amazon does not offer that option, now do they?

Regardless, I hold Amazon ultimately responsible for the vendors they allow, believing that, in fact, they endorse said vendors (for a kickback, of course).

Anyway, seeing as it is my money, who should decide where I choose to spend it?

I am a staunch believer in the old adage: 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me'. I have no intention of allowing myself to be to be fooled again.

Besides, Amazon is is not the only online retailer. Even so, like any online retailer, I would only use them for things I could not find locally.

I had a bad experience, I moved on. It is not my loss.

 

[FX-GMC]

...

I had a bad experience, I moved on. It is not my loss.

It could be a monetary loss depending on the situation. I shop Amazon to save $$$.

 

[rtwjunkie]

'dat glass house... 'dose stones...

I thought you left the site Qubit?



Anyhoo... I have to agree with you to a certain extent here Quby... 3rd parties are selling through amazon so one would hope they could vet the vendor or product. But seeing as how there is so many products, I imagine that is next to impossible.

As was mentioned above, you can sell a disk so 'looking at it' really doesn't tell you anything as I can just put windows on a dvd and sell it there, just not the key if I used it. If amazon checked, how would they know the key was legit? What if it wasn't the 3rd party vendor's fault the key is bad? I bought a boxed Windows from newegg once and its key was bad...

How would you have them confirm the key is active?

@qubit has been back for a couple months, just maintaining a low profile, posting occasionally here or there.

@newtekie1 about the Marketplace- I pretty much follow this advice and don't buy Marketplace on Amazon, except for one type of item: certain Steam games which do not come Retail box in the U.S. at all, are available from the UK, such as Hitman: Absolution, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil: Revelations, RYSE, Murdered: Soul Suspect, Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition, etc. I've had good luck with all these items. The only caveat is it takes up to 30 days shipping to arrive.

 

[FX-GMC]

@qubit has been back for a couple months, just maintaining a low profile, posting occasionally here or there.

Creepy. I hope I don't have any stalkers.

 

[EarthDog]

Interesting. I guess when I take my ball and go home, and say I wont come back, I don't.

Creepy. I hope I don't have any stalkers.

Don't go off and rage quit in public and you wouldn't be up for such inquiries... LOL!

I think, thankfully, he has me on ignore (dat truth!)... anyhoo..... now that random curiosity is solved...

 

[TheMailMan78]

Didn't even know he was gone. Should have suspected as much as there hasn't been a lot "qq" threads.

 

[qubit]

Interesting. I guess when I take my ball and go home, and say I wont come back, I don't.

Don't go off and rage quit in public and you wouldn't be up for such inquiries... LOL!

I think, thankfully, he has me on ignore (dat truth!)... anyhoo..... now that random curiosity is solved...

I don't have anyone on ignore. I choose to ignore spiteful trolls like you who do nothing but hate on people and mess up their threads. Yeah, I called you a troll. Now that's the truth.

 

[Tatty_Two]

The "Qubit you have come back" bit whilst relevant for a time is getting a little repetitive and tiresome now, one or two of you have made your point, rubbing noses in it whilst clearly pleasurable for some is unnecessary, everyone has equal right to be here, move on please...... thread closed.