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PirateBay shut down?

Will you miss PB?

  • Sure thing, it's an old pal of mine.

    Votes: 19 20.0%
  • Nah, let it burn.

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • It was about time, for retirement. There are way better trackers.

    Votes: 8 8.4%
  • Relax, it is going to come back in a few days.

    Votes: 55 57.9%
  • Me? Pirating software?!? No way, officer.

    Votes: 16 16.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.1%

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Theft is NOT freedom!

Do all of you "pirates" *cough* sympathizer's think people stealing your morning paper off your lawn is OK? What about your wallet, your car, if they are stolen from you is it no big f'ing deal? What about you girlfriend or you wife? If some smooth operator comes along and steals your woman are you gong to be OK with it?

HELL NO YOU ARE NOT!
 

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Theft is NOT freedom!

Do all of you "pirates" *cough* sympathizer's think people stealing your morning paper off your lawn is OK? What about your wallet, your car, if they are stolen from you is it no big f'ing deal? What about you girlfriend or you wife? If some smooth operator comes along and steals your woman are you gong to be OK with it?

HELL NO YOU ARE NOT!

Copying is not theft as the original is still there. That's why it's called an infringement.
 
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Theft is NOT freedom!

Do all of you "pirates" *cough* sympathizer's think people stealing your morning paper off your lawn is OK? What about your wallet, your car, if they are stolen from you is it no big f'ing deal? What about you girlfriend or you wife? If some smooth operator comes along and steals your woman are you gong to be OK with it?

HELL NO YOU ARE NOT!

So why be a one eyed peg leg fool with bird schit on your shoulder?
You're confused. It would be theft if someone took my newspaper without my consent, but not so if I decide to share it with him. If sharing a physical medium like newspaper cannot be considered theft, then by extension, neither should digital media. But it's all a matter of perspective, and how much your govt. is influenced (or, actually run by) giant (read monstrous) conglomerates. These big corporations, in my view, are the real thieves. No matter what they say, they make way more money than they "allegedly" lose due to sharing.
 

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Please do continue the discussions, please don't link to dubious sites. As for "sharing information" ...... all good with consent, do we believe all the major software houses have given their consent to everyone and anyone to share their content? If the answer to that is "yes" then fine, if "no" then it's a moot point, whether infringement or theft it's still Jail time :D
 

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Theft is NOT freedom!

Do all of you "pirates" *cough* sympathizer's think people stealing your morning paper off your lawn is OK? What about your wallet, your car, if they are stolen from you is it no big f'ing deal? What about you girlfriend or you wife? If some smooth operator comes along and steals your woman are you gong to be OK with it?

HELL NO YOU ARE NOT!

Please keep such ignorant comments for Yourself.

They make a ton of money.
 
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Theft is NOT freedom!

Do all of you "pirates" *cough* sympathizer's think people stealing your morning paper off your lawn is OK? What about your wallet, your car, if they are stolen from you is it no big f'ing deal? What about you girlfriend or you wife? If some smooth operator comes along and steals your woman are you gong to be OK with it?

HELL NO YOU ARE NOT!

Blame 0's and 1's
 
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Please do continue the discussions, please don't link to dubious sites. As for "sharing information" ...... all good with consent, do we believe all the major software houses have given their consent to everyone and anyone to share their content? If the answer to that is "yes" then fine, if "no" then it's a moot point, whether infringement or theft it's still Jail time :D
There are mentions (with full url) of many "dubious" sites before my post which you deleted. The sites I mentioned are not "dubious" at all. I have no doubt in my mind about the intent or purpose of those sites. The intent of my post was to throw some light on the actual "dubious" one. So I don't think deleting the post quite serves the purpose. Linking to sites is not illegal, is it? It's not like I'm linking to actual copyrighted files. Obviously I won't take responsibility if someone's PC get's infected or something, but I think our fellow users here are smart-enough to make their own decisions about who to trust. Anyway, I agree with you otherwise. I just think "law" and jail time is not what decides what is theft or unethical. It's just a matter of perspective.

When freedom is outlawed....
Peace.
 

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Please keep such ignorant comments for Yourself.

They make a ton of money.

Scratching my head here Knoxx...How is it ignorant to feel that if you make something, create something, you should be paid for it? Wht if that was YOU who created a game for instance, put it up for sale, and got only a few sales, but it was pirated like hell? Unless you intended to put it up as a gift (which you didn't in my example), you have now not been compensated for your time, imaginagion and hard work. What are the chances you will do it again?

That's the reason I don't have any trouble handing over my cash instead of pirating. I would expect the same were it me.

It doesn't matter how much money that company is already making, it doesn't make stealing from them any more ok.
 
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Scratching my head here Knoxx...How is it ignorant to feel that if you make something, create something, you should be paid for it? Wht if that was YOU who created a game for instance, put it up for sale, and got only a few sales, but it was pirated like hell? Unless you intended to put it up as a gift (which you didn't in my example), you have now not been compensated for your time, imaginagion and hard work. What are the chances you will do it again?

That's the reason I don't have any trouble handing over my cash instead of pirating. I would expect the same were it me.

It doesn't matter how much money that company is already making, it doesn't make stealing from them any more ok.

"got only a few sales, but it was pirated like hell" - That's an absurd situation. If nobody thought it was worth buying, it wouldn't be "pirated like hell" at all.

"I don't have any trouble handing over my cash" - That's because you have it - not everybody does.

"It doesn't matter how much money that company is already making" - Ahhh, it does. That's the whole point. THEY are the greedy ones. Never satisfied no matter how much they make.
 

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"got only a few sales, but it was pirated like hell" - That's an absurd situation. If nobody thought it was worth buying, it wouldn't be "pirated like hell" at all.

"I don't have any trouble handing over my cash" - That's because you have it - not everybody does.

"It doesn't matter how much money that company is already making" - Ahhh, it does. That's the whole point. THEY are the greedy ones. Never satisfied no matter how much they make.

It's not greed to expect to be paid for your efforts. You obviously will never be a business owner yourself.

EDIT: And no, I actually most of the time DON'T have the money. You know what I do? I WAIT till I do have the money.
 

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I get an awful lot of music from bandcamp and mininova, because the music on there is better, is completely legal, and not piled with DRM or dodgy downloaders (and they offer FLAC quality). They use torrents as one of many means of distribution. And I don't mind paying for that service one bit.

TPB was and still is just a body created to flaunt how stupid the legal system is across europe, in that no matter how much time or resources these people pour into cracking down on pirating, some guy is just going to reupload the 78mb file that contains the whole of TPB back on another website. These people are wasting colossal fortunes to bring it down, instead of just muscling out the attractiveness of TPB by offering better solutions for obtaining music, software, games and movies. People don't pirate when netflix is so cheap, when steam sales are so cheap, and when spotify is free.

Will the TPB go back up? Yes. Will these morons ever stop chasing an unobtainable dream of squashing all piracy? Never. They'd rather waste their time fixing a problem they made, when all they have to do is provide reasonable solutions to bring consumers a vastly superior market experience.

Netflix and other TV streaming services solved half of it, Spotify blatantly solved half of it. There are people out there that will literally pay for nothing, and they will stop at nothing to get that for free. It doesn't matter what anybody does to solve that problem, those people will always exist. Some people only turn to piracy when they've been given no alternative (for example, the BBC won't let me pay them to buy a permanent download of one of their TV series or documentaries, so I only have access to it for 30 days according to their terms). Because I work in public sector, I can't just torrent it and solve the problem, but that's the kind of thing that drives people into doing it.
Well said Qubit.
 
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It's not greed to expect to be paid for your efforts. You obviously will never be a business owner yourself.

EDIT: And no, I actually most of the time DON'T have the money. You know what I do? I WAIT till I do have the money.

Really? You"ll wait to pay for every (say hundreds) episode of the dozens of sitcoms you like... for years? Wow! And yes, it IS greed if you are never satisfied regardless of the billions of dollars you make.
 

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Really? You"ll wait to pay for every (say hundreds) episode of the dozens of sitcoms you like... for years? Wow! And yes, it IS greed if you are never satisfied regardless of the billions of dollars you make.

Justifying stealing from the rich just because they are rich, I don't think I want to live in a world like that.

At the end of the day these companies have a duty to their owners (aka shareholders). It is highly unfortunate that these shareholders are not pushing the companies to combat piracy properly (that is, remove reasons to pirate).
 

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Really? You"ll wait to pay for every (say hundreds) episode of the dozens of sitcoms you like... for years? Wow! And yes, it IS greed if you are never satisfied regardless of the billions of dollars you make.

Who says they are never satisfied? You? How do you know what is in their minds? Why is a profit "greed"? Do you know how expensive it is to make and produce any entertainment product, be it a game, a movie, television show, etc? Production costs have to be recouped first of all, followed by any intitial development costs if you expect them to ever create again. Finally, the businss deserves a profit.

Or are you telling me that you would release all your movies or games you produce for free or for the same as it cost to make them? How do you propose to live?

And yes, if I can't afford my cable bill, I drop services, because no television show is that important that I shouldn't be able to put food on the table for my family. And yes, I don't buy movies or games when I don't have the money. I wait till I save. It means more to actually work for something.
 

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There are mentions (with full url) of many "dubious" sites before my post which you deleted. The sites I mentioned are not "dubious" at all. I have no doubt in my mind about the intent or purpose of those sites. The intent of my post was to throw some light on the actual "dubious" one. So I don't think deleting the post quite serves the purpose. Linking to sites is not illegal, is it? It's not like I'm linking to actual copyrighted files. Obviously I won't take responsibility if someone's PC get's infected or something, but I think our fellow users here are smart-enough to make their own decisions about who to trust. Anyway, I agree with you otherwise. I just think "law" and jail time is not what decides what is theft or unethical. It's just a matter of perspective.

When freedom is outlawed....
Peace.
Fortunately I don't enforce the law, just this communities guidelines :) But your point is taken.
 
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Justifying stealing from the rich just because they are rich, I don't think I want to live in a world like that.

At the end of the day these companies have a duty to their owners (aka shareholders). It is highly unfortunate that these shareholders are not pushing the companies to combat piracy properly (that is, remove reasons to pirate).
I don't support stealing. Sharing and stealing are not the same. You can go around circles saying the same cr@p all day.

Who says they are never satisfied? You? How do you know what is in their minds? Why is a profit "greed"? Do you know how expensive it is to make and produce any entertainment product, be it a game, a movie, television show, etc? Production costs have to be recouped first of all, followed by any intitial development costs if you expect them to ever create again. Finally, the businss deserves a profit.

Or are you telling me that you would release all your movies or games you produce for free or for the same as it cost to make them? How do you propose to live?

And yes, if I can't afford my cable bill, I drop services, because no television show is that important that I shouldn't be able to put food on the table for my family. And yes, I don't buy movies or games when I don't have the money. I wait till I save. It means more to actually work for something.

"Who says they are never satisfied? You? How do you know what is in their minds?" YOU said it. "It doesn't matter how much money that company is already making".

"Why is a profit "greed"?" - Greed - "An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth"
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Theft is NOT freedom!

Do all of you "pirates" *cough* sympathizer's think people stealing your morning paper off your lawn is OK? What about your wallet, your car, if they are stolen from you is it no big f'ing deal? What about you girlfriend or you wife? If some smooth operator comes along and steals your woman are you gong to be OK with it?

HELL NO YOU ARE NOT!


Google, Apple, Microsoft and others are sharing your data so don't worry. They even know the colour of your wife's or girlfriend's underwear.
 
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Google, Apple, Microsoft and others are sharing your data so don't worry. They even know the colour of your wife's or girlfriend's underwear.

Joke's on them, I'm wearing her underwear.
 

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Quite often I'm a "have not", but I don't equate a company's desire for a profit with greed. The trouble with your definition, Nabarun, is it is subjective.
 
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Thanks to the efforts of isohunt.to, it looks like The Pirate Bay is back online at the URL oldpiratebay.org.

“As you probably know the beloved Pirate Bay website is gone for now. It’ll be missed. It’ll be remembered as the pilgrim of freedom and possibilities on the web. It’s a symbol of liberty for a generation of internet users. In its honor we are making the oldpiratebay.org search. We, the isohunt.to team, copied the database of Pirate Bay in order to save it for generations of users. Nothing will be forgotten. Keep on believing, keep on sharing.”
Well, it is officially dead then.

I just hope the problems of the "big companies" are over now. :shadedshu:
 

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I don't support stealing. Sharing and stealing are not the same. You can go around circles saying the same cr@p all day.

Unfortunately the law is pretty grey here, we will just go around circles debating who is right.

"Who says they are never satisfied? You? How do you know what is in their minds?" YOU said it. "It doesn't matter how much money that company is already making".

"Why is a profit "greed"?" - Greed - "An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth"
The rest is just not worth replying to.

How do you know how much the company needs, or deserves? Just because they earned billions off their own hard work doesn't mean they are greedy.
 

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Quite often I'm a "have not", but I don't equate a company's desire for a profit with greed. The trouble with your definition, Nabarun, is it is subjective.
You're a saint, dude! ;)

Unfortunately the law is pretty grey here, we will just go around circles debating who is right.



How do you know how much the company needs, or deserves? Just because they earned billions off their own hard work doesn't mean they are greedy.
Like rtw said, it's all a matter of perspective.
 

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You're a saint, dude! ;)


Like rtw said, it's all a matter of perspective.


We'll just have to agree to disagree on the merits of piracy. :peace:
 
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