PirateBay shut down?

Blue-Knight · Dec 15, 2014

Fourstaff said:
Just because they earned billions off their own hard work doesn't mean they are greedy.

Well, I think people should buy the product if they can but I believe the negative impact of illegal downloads are minimal to them (if any).

Most people who are seeking for "free downloads" won't buy the product in any way because they don't want or do not have financial conditions, so they're not losing anything.

I could say if such thing as illegal downloads stop existing they will be losing money. I imagine if every user of the Windows® operating system had to obey the rules of their EULA or license it for every single computer, or buying every software they run on their machine... The Windows® operating system would be part of past history already. With the ultimate version costing about 300 USD here...

Just my opinion.

Windows is registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries.

Tatty_Two · Dec 15, 2014

I think for me, and it's just a personal opinion, "sharing" is only that if the owner has given their permission to share, Nabarun gave a good example earlier of a newspaper, see the thing is, if Nabaruns neighbour took his paper and did not have his permission to read it then in my eyes it's plain old, plain old ....... theft. Now I am fairly certain that most of the owners of the software or whatever it is being "shared" have not given their permission so however you want to technically explain it the answer is simple, to then try and justify those actions by saying that the owners are Greedy and merely profit focused and therefore lack integrity (or making that assumption) is kind of ironic as I personally find it equally greedy to expect something for nothing in return.

Drone · Dec 15, 2014

Tatty_One said:
I think for me, and it's just a personal opinion, "sharing" is only that if the owner has given their permission to share, Nabarun gave a good example earlier of a newspaper, see the thing is, if Nabaruns neighbour took his paper and did not have his permission to read it then in my eyes it's plain old, plain old ....... theft. Now I am fairly certain that most of the owners of the software or whatever it is being "shared" have not given their permission so however you want to technically explain it the answer is simple, to then try and justify those actions by saying that the owners are Greedy and merely profit focused and therefore lack integrity (or making that assumption) is kind of ironic as I personally find it equally greedy to expect something for nothing in return.

I never condone piracy and I hardly ever use torrents but I don't see how file sharing and piracy is the same thing. And that example was pretty daft.

Nabarun · Dec 15, 2014

Tatty_One said:
I think for me, and it's just a personal opinion, "sharing" is only that if the owner has given their permission to share, Nabarun gave a good example earlier of a newspaper, see the thing is, if Nabaruns neighbour took his paper and did not have his permission to read it then in my eyes it's plain old, plain old ....... theft. Now I am fairly certain that most of the owners of the software or whatever it is being "shared" have not given their permission so however you want to technically explain it the answer is simple, to then try and justify those actions by saying that the owners are Greedy and merely profit focused and therefore lack integrity (or making that assumption) is kind of ironic as I personally find it equally greedy to expect something for nothing in return.

The aforementioned newspaper I shared with my compatriots is not "owned" by the news agency, is it? If I paid for it, then I own it. My opinion - as is of millions of others', is that the same applies to digital content too. I know what the "law" states in some countries (because "law" is not universal) - it's just that I, like many others, just don't like it. You see, I find it incredibly difficult to think of SONY or WB or BBC or the MPAA as poor victims. If one can share his clothes, books or audio cassette, then he should also be able to share his audio cd etc.

Octopuss · Dec 15, 2014

I see this thread is over.

Blue-Knight · Dec 15, 2014

Drone said:
I don't see how file sharing and piracy is the same thing.

Their copyright claims you cannot lend unless you have permission of the owner to do that. Then sharing becomes illegal. :shadedshu:

Tatty_Two · Dec 15, 2014

Drone said:
I never condone piracy and I hardly ever use torrents but I don't see how file sharing and piracy is the same thing. And that example was pretty daft.

As I said, the example was used earlier and not by me to describe how it could make things legit, you are right with the file sharing and piracy bit but that's my point, they are the same thing in my opinion if the owner has NOT given their permission, I am no expert on the subject and like you I don't use pirate software but simply sharing something that was sourced without permission surely cannot make things legal?

Edit: @Nabarun, you missed the point there, in your example you gave the guy permission to read your paper and therefore it is legit, if you stole the paper in the first place you didn't have the right to share it with him and therefore not.

Nabarun · Dec 15, 2014

Tatty_One said:
As I said, the example was used earlier and not by me to describe how it could make things legit, you are right with the file sharing and piracy bit but that's my point, they are the same thing in my opinion if the owner has NOT given their permission, I am no expert on the subject and like you I don't use pirate software but simply sharing something that was sourced without permission surely cannot make things legal?

Edit: @Nabarun, you missed the point there, in your example you gave the guy permission to read your paper and therefore it is legit, if you stole the paper in the first place you didn't have the right to share it with him and therefore not.

Well, that's my point. If a legit owner of a software, music or movie shares it with others, then how is it theft? Most stuff shared on file sharing networks ARE owned by somebody who knowingly wants to share. Yeah, yeah the license agreement thing - that's the one we dislike.

Tatty_Two · Dec 15, 2014

Nabarun said:
Well, that's my point. If a legit owner of a software, music or movie shares it with others, then how is it theft? Most stuff shared on file sharing networks ARE owned by somebody who knowingly wants to share. Yeah, yeah the license agreement thing - that's the one we dislike.

I agree and if all that is available on these sites is software that the owners have given their permission to use/share then that's fine and should actually be applauded however I doubt that is exclusively the case..... but I may be wrong, I have tried where possible to separate the moralities from the legalities so to speak because as you said...... it's subjective where legalities are not, even if we personally don't like them.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 15, 2014

qubit said:
Rcoon said this, not me.

Meh sounded like the same rhetoric you spew.

Tatty_One said:
I agree and if all that is available on these sites is software that the owners have given their permission to use/share then that's fine and should actually be applauded however I doubt that is exclusively the case..... but I may be wrong, I have tried where possible to separate the moralities from the legalities so to speak because as you said...... it's subjective where legalities are not, even if we personally don't like them.

Pirating is wrong and if you do it, you break the law. End of F#$KING STORY.

Nobody cares you cant afford something. Its no ones problem but yours. It doesn't give you the right to download and use something you didn't pay for. END OF STORY.

Tatty_Two · Dec 15, 2014

TheMailMan78 said:
Meh sounded like the same rhetoric you spew.

Pirating is wrong and if you do it, you break the law. End of F#$KING STORY.

Nobody cares you cant afford something. Its no ones problem but yours. It doesn't give you the right to download and use something you didn't pay for. END OF STORY.

He is trying to separate the sharing of software where the owners HAVE given their permission to "share" from Pirating where they haven't which of course is illegal, I just have doubts that all "sharing" sites have the permission of all owners for the software they share and that's where my issue lies.

RCoon · Dec 15, 2014

TheMailMan78 said:
Meh sounded like the same rhetoric you spew.

noun: rhetoric

the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

I'll take that as your testament that you view my and @qubit's writing as highly effective and persuasive. I'm glad it had that impression on you

It's hard to find a good way to provide ones opinion on such a broad topic as this without coming across as abrasive.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 15, 2014

Tatty_One said:
He is trying to separate the sharing of software where the owners HAVE given their permission to "share" from Pirating where they haven't which of course is illegal, I just have doubts that all "sharing" sites have the permission of all owners for the software they share and that's where my issue lies.

That's like .00001% of the crap people torrent? Please its the same old Robin Hood crap over and over again. I respect people to ADMIT they are being thieving bastards WAY MORE than the righteous dicks that are fighting some magical "man" who is just greedy in their eyes.

RCoon said:
noun: rhetoric

the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

I'll take that as your testament that you view my and @qubit's writing as highly effective and persuasive. I'm glad it had that impression on you It's hard to find a good way to provide ones opinion on such a broad topic as this without coming across as abrasive.

Naaaa it was meant as abrasive. Pirate Bay is full of assholes and people who use it are thieves. /thread.

RCoon · Dec 15, 2014

TheMailMan78 said:
people who use it are thieves.

Yeah pretty much. Mininova is a nice torrent website for legal downloads though. They used to be for pirating all sorts of gubbins, but went legit after getting tossed about by the various legal peeps. Their(TPB) comment section rivalled that of youtube as well.

Nabarun · Dec 15, 2014

Tatty_One said:
I agree and if all that is available on these sites is software that the owners have given their permission to use/share then that's fine and should actually be applauded however I doubt that is exclusively the case..... but I may be wrong, I have tried where possible to separate the moralities from the legalities so to speak because as you said...... it's subjective where legalities are not, even if we personally don't like them.

Well said.

TheMailMan78 said:
Meh sounded like the same rhetoric you spew.

Pirating is wrong and if you do it, you break the law. End of F#$KING STORY.

Nobody cares you cant afford something. Its no ones problem but yours. It doesn't give you the right to download and use something you didn't pay for. END OF STORY.

Wrong.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 15, 2014

Nabarun said:
Well said.

Wrong.

You care what I can't afford? Cool, send me a check for whatever you have in your bank account.

mastrdrver · Dec 15, 2014

Sorry, but on this topic (Pirate Bay) I can only think of one thing since watching this video:

Nabarun · Dec 15, 2014

TheMailMan78 said:
You care what I can't afford? Cool, send me a check for whatever you have in your bank account.

nope. I don't care about you. You don't deserve a thieving bastard's, asshole's sympathy.
And sharing doesn't translate to money, although we do share that all the time. It's the sharing of joy (in the digital form) folks do, actually.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 15, 2014

Nabarun said:
nope. I don't care about you. You don't deserve a thieving bastard's, asshole's sympathy.
And sharing doesn't translate to money, although we do share that all the time. It's the sharing of joy (in the digital form) folks do, actually.

Where is your compassion? I want free stuff too! You have more than me. I DESERVE WHAT YOU WORKED FOR!

Mindweaver · Dec 15, 2014

I've got netflix... Oh and my 970 is out for delivery.. ouch.. is that stomach cramps.. My tummy hurts.. I must go home. Oh and do Pirates only visit this bay? It sounds like it's new location will be Davy Jones' locker. TMM from a scale of 1 to 10 how well was my troll?.. Ok, I've got to get back to work.. I just had to say something in this tread before it's locked. :toast:

EDIT: It's all fun and games until someone losses an eye...

TheMailMan78 · Dec 15, 2014

Mindweaver said:
I've got netflix... Oh and my 970 is out for delivery.. ouch.. is that stomach cramps.. My tummy hurts.. I must go home. Oh and do Pirates only visit this bay? It sounds like it's new location will be Davy Jones' locker. TMM from a scale of 1 to 10 how well was my troll?.. Ok, I've got to get back to work.. I just had to say something in this tread before it's locked.

EDIT: It's all fun and games until someone losses an eye...

I give it a 2 out of 10. You need to sprinkle in some fact with BS to keep em going.

Devon68 · Dec 15, 2014

Well I used pirate bay a few time's before but lately I'm using mostly EZTV which is also down

and putlocker for watching movies online.

PaulieG · Dec 15, 2014

Tatty_One said:
I think for me, and it's just a personal opinion, "sharing" is only that if the owner has given their permission to share, Nabarun gave a good example earlier of a newspaper, see the thing is, if Nabaruns neighbour took his paper and did not have his permission to read it then in my eyes it's plain old, plain old ....... theft. Now I am fairly certain that most of the owners of the software or whatever it is being "shared" have not given their permission so however you want to technically explain it the answer is simple, to then try and justify those actions by saying that the owners are Greedy and merely profit focused and therefore lack integrity (or making that assumption) is kind of ironic as I personally find it equally greedy to expect something for nothing in return.

This. I'm not guilt free in this, though I stopped downloading anything that wasnt intended to be free or I havent paid for years ago. Until we live under socialism, I have no right to what others have worked for, no matter how much money they make. Hell, unless a person or company is doing something illegal or unethical, I feel that it's none of my business to consider or question what they make, and it certainly does not justify stealing from them.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 15, 2014

Paulieg said:
This. I'm not guilt free in this, though I stopped downloading anything that wasnt intended to be free or I havent paid for years ago. Until we live under socialism, then I have no right to what others have worked for, no matter how much money they make. Hell, unless they are doing something illegal or unethical, I feel that it's none of my business to consider or question what someone else makes, and it certainly is not justification to steal from them.

Bro you even lift?

PaulieG · Dec 15, 2014

TheMailMan78 said:
Bro you even lift?

Lol. Happy to see that you are still proficient at derailing a thread. :laugh:

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PirateBay shut down?

Will you miss PB?

Sure thing, it's an old pal of mine.

Nah, let it burn.

It was about time, for retirement. There are way better trackers.

Relax, it is going to come back in a few days.

Me? Pirating software?!? No way, officer.

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