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X99 micro stuttering on unreal engine?

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Thought i would bring this topic up here as i wasn't getting any help over on the ROG forum, This problem isn't just related to my system others have also tested this problem and seem to be related to X99 and Processor power management in windows > Minimum processor state i found this problem after playing borderlands tps and bioshoch infinite after changing my power plan from balanced to high performance it fixed 95% of the stuttering, any ideas how to fix this problem over the last 4 years i have had X79,Z77,Z87 and none of these carried this problem? I still have my Z77 its running a GTX 760 and it has less stutter than my X99 rig which is a disappointment.
 

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funny I havent seen that yet on my machine, but it could be a bios issue. I opgraded my bios to the latest before i even tried to play a game on it.
 

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Thought i would bring this topic up here as i wasn't getting any help over on the ROG forum, This problem isn't just related to my system others have also tested this problem and seem to be related to X99 and Processor power management in windows > Minimum processor state i found this problem after playing borderlands tps and bioshoch infinite after changing my power plan from balanced to high performance it fixed 95% of the stuttering, any ideas how to fix this problem over the last 4 years i have had X79,Z77,Z87 and none of these carried this problem? I still have my Z77 its running a GTX 760 and it has less stutter than my X99 rig which is a disappointment.
It's partly due to Windows, IMHO. Seems less of an issue on Win7. Try increasing Cache speeds. That's the difference with Haswell-E, the 3000 MHz stock cache speed, combined with the ability for it to clock up and down independently of CPU speed.
funny I havent seen that yet on my machine, but it could be a bios issue. I opgraded my bios to the latest before i even tried to play a game on it.
Not everyone is sensitive to this in the same way, unfortunately. Our eyes all work differently. which makes discussion about these topics more difficult than it needs to be. That said, if BIOS is not worked properly to adjust cache speed in sync with demands of CPU, then you could be on to something here, for sure. But maybe older is better; newer BIOS sometimes makes things worse.
 
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I guess i could try a older bios but i don't think thats the problem because i had the problem pretty much from release of borderlands. I will try to record the problem to show people but its hard to find a program that works. Also i have tried no OC , OC core + cache it doesn't make any difference .
 

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Could be the game itself.
 

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Thought i would bring this topic up here as i wasn't getting any help over on the ROG forum, This problem isn't just related to my system others have also tested this problem and seem to be related to X99 and Processor power management in windows > Minimum processor state i found this problem after playing borderlands tps and bioshoch infinite after changing my power plan from balanced to high performance it fixed 95% of the stuttering, any ideas how to fix this problem over the last 4 years i have had X79,Z77,Z87 and none of these carried this problem? I still have my Z77 its running a GTX 760 and it has less stutter than my X99 rig which is a disappointment.

disable core parking. you can google for it, despite peoples warnings that it ups idle power consumption i see zero difference measured at the wall on a variety of platforms (but nothign as new as x99)
 

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disable core parking. you can google for it, despite peoples warnings that it ups idle power consumption i see zero difference measured at the wall on a variety of platforms (but nothign as new as x99)
That's actually a good tip that can gain some added performance, but the problem is in and of itself, inherent to the platform. Changing power states leads to the cache speed changing frequency. Higher. The entire system uses the cache to shuffle data around, and with low-power settings, this adjusts based on workload, which isn't always enough to keep the speeds maxed out. Changing the power plan changes this behavior, as well as CPU speed behavior, and that's that, really, IMHO. No other platform other than haswell allows this, but the biggest difference between Haswell and Haswell-E is that the cache speeds with haswell-E are much lower, so the jump to higher speeds on desktop haswell overcomes this, while the almost Ghz less on Haswell-E is not sufficient to cover the "loss", and it is felt more often.
 
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disable core parking. you can google for it, despite peoples warnings that it ups idle power consumption i see zero difference measured at the wall on a variety of platforms (but nothign as new as x99)

Core parking is only turned on if you buy a OEM computer none of my cores are parked and never have been, To rule out the cache being the problem ill set it to max in the bios and see if the problem is still there.

 

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Core parking is only turned on if you buy a OEM computer none of my cores are parked and never have been, To rule out the cache being the problem ill set it to max in the bios and see if the problem is still there.

Uhh thats not how it works core parking is enabled by default on any cpu that supports it
 
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Uhh thats not how it works core parking is enabled by default on any cpu that supports it

Yer i know some CPU have it enabled but the 5930K doesn't even looked so thats not the problem going to test the cache speed now.


EDIT:

Setting the Cache to full speed didn't help at all its related to the core clock speed.
 
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Yer i know some CPU have it enabled but the 5930K doesn't even looked so thats not the problem going to test the cache speed now.


EDIT:

Setting the Cache to full speed didn't help at all its related to the core clock speed.
So the question is, why is it such a problem? The whole point of being able to have an adjustable speed is to save power, and avoid issues like this. Have you tried stock multipliers? Like, not stock in BIOS, but actual stock multis?(3.6 for everything except 1 or 2 core load, that's 3.7).

ASUS never did send me that board you got, maybe they had good reason. :p I'll have to download bioshock to my memtesting rig and see what's what.

What ram speed are you running?
 

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I wonder if his board is disabling c6/c7 that would in theory disable core parking as well
this board will automatically if you use XMP even if you don't touch the core multis
the mirco stutter is just due to hyper-threading the only way around it is to turn hyper-threading off its a a quirk of the unreal engine
 
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So the question is, why is it such a problem? The whole point of being able to have an adjustable speed is to save power, and avoid issues like this. Have you tried stock multipliers? Like, not stock in BIOS, but actual stock multis?(3.6 for everything except 1 or 2 core load, that's 3.7).

ASUS never did send me that board you got, maybe they had good reason. :p I'll have to download bioshock to my memtesting rig and see what's what.

What ram speed are you running?

I have tested this problem out on stock clocks + memory and overclocked and overclocked memory the problem doesn't change its a problem because i like to run a balanced power plan so i don't have to keep my CPU running at max voltages all the time and its annoying having to changed power plans all the time, Do you want me to manually set the core speed in the bios to default speeds?
 

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I have tested this problem out on stock clocks + memory and overclocked and overclocked memory the problem doesn't change its a problem because i like to run a balanced power plan so i don't have to keep my CPU running at max voltages all the time and its annoying having to changed power plans all the time, Do you want me to manually set the core speed in the bios to default speeds?
Yeah, because if you do not manually set the core speeds, ASUS BIOS by default runs with a boosted Turbo profile. If it remedies the problem, then it's most definitely a BIOS problem, IMHO.

But then again, if it is fixed to your liking, then go with what ya got.The only other thing that could explain the problem might be your GPU hitting power/thermal limit, but something tells me you have that under control, being under water. However, these Ti cards can be a pain in the butt.

Also, check out newest version of precision-X... I've seen able to get voltage to 1.3V instead of being capped @ 1.212V...
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
That's part of our suite of games we test...

... I just played it for a few mins with 'forced' stock cache (3.3ghz) and the flu at 4ghz... Can't say I experienced it... Though perhaps I'm not as sensitive?
 

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stock cache is 3.0 GHz. :p


And yeah, likely not. Although, did you play with 780 Ti?
 
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I only get the stuttering in unreal games BF4 doesn't have the problem or dead space 3 Earthdog can u download the UT4 demo and test with that you will see the stutter on the 1st opening part of the demo.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Im off starting tomorrow and can try it out, sure! Got any links handy for the DL?

Shoot, yes, 3Ghz... sorry!
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I will get to this tonight...!

EDIT: Ok, ran it. And outside of a major hitch a few seconds in and some screen tearing all over, it was pretty smooth. No major hitching. I did notice a bit of microstutter in places. But not consistently throughout oddly enough.
 
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I will get to this tonight...!

EDIT: Ok, ran it. And outside of a major hitch a few seconds in and some screen tearing all over, it was pretty smooth. No major hitching. I did notice a bit of microstutter in places. But not consistently throughout oddly enough.

Was it at the start of the demo thats where most of the stuttering is but running the same settings on my 3770K with a GTX 760 is runs smother.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
The major hitch was at the beginning. The random microstutter was throughout, but again random and not consistent.
 
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Still this stuttering isn't there on other chipsets.
 
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i get no stutter at all on my Z77 ether on my old Z87 cant say for Z97 never had one of those :)
 
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