Hydroxylapatite AND stannous fluoride toothpaste?

[RejZoR]

I know it's not directly a general science to be fit in here, but I was researching stuff to keep your teeth healthy and shiny and came across two technologies that are by far the most effective.

Stannous fluoride is far more effective than sodium fluoride or sodium monofluorophosphate, but has been replaced by both because they are simply a lot cheaper and they still sort of do their job. But the initial toothpastes used the superior stannous fluoride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin(II)_fluoride

Second technology used lately is hydroxylapatite. This substance is actually a building element of every tooth. It has been used before, but the problem is, if the hydroxylapatite particles are too big, they don't adhere well enough to the tooth surface and they also cover the hydroxylapatite rods on the surface of the tooth, making it harder to further adhere building material. New technologies brought nano-hydroxylapatite which finally brings hydroxylapatite in small enough particles to behave the same way natural hydroxylapatite is introduced to the tooth enamel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxylapatite

Now, the thing here is, has anyone, anywhere seen a toothpaste that combines both, stannous fluoride (SnF2) and nano-hydroxylapatite (nHA) inside one package?

So far after searching, I've only found versions that include one or another or at least nAH with NaF or in case of Megasonex, only nAH without any kind of fluoride. I'm assuming that if you combine SnF2+nAH it would be a bit more expensive, but should be a superior combination. Or is there a reason why nAH doesn't need fluoride to bond even faster to the enamel?

 

[R-T-B]

You got a dentist appointment tomorrow or something?

I kid, I kid... and honestly have no clue.

 

[Steevo]

Probably due to the bonding action that the fluoride would have with the calcium in the paste, rendering both unusable.

Fluoride loves it some calcium, and once it bonds...... which is why we have it in water and other places, it strengthens the calcium bond by making it super tough for other things to form a molecular bond with the calcium in our teeth.

 

[v12dock]

The only retail toothpaste I have seen use stannous fluoride is Crest Pro Health. I refuse to use Colgate there a bunch of triclosan lovers.

 

[sttubs]

My dentist said that stannous fluoride tends to stain the teeth & it could become permanent.

 

[v12dock]

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/publications/issue/2014/August2014/R648_August2014

 

[erocker]

I don't put fluoride in my body.

 

[natr0n]

Fluoride dumbs you down.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Fluoride dumbs you down.

Floride no dumb down. YOU DUMB DOWN!

 

[natr0n]

Floride no dumb down. YOU DUMB DOWN!

 

[TheMailMan78]

STOP! YOU MAKE MAILMAN MADS!

Seriously I don't know what the big deal about fluoride is. Its been in the drinking water in the states for probably 50 years and despite our stupidity in voting the average IQ has not gone down at all. We are as smart as we ever were in terms of pure intellect however.........common sense not so much. lol. On the plus side the average American can bite through a F#$KING RED WOOD TREE!

 

[erocker]

It's as simple as looking up what fluoride does to your body. SCIENCE!

 

[TheMailMan78]

It's as simple as looking up what fluoride does to your body. SCIENCE!

Children under age 8 and younger exposed to excessive amounts of fluoride have an increased chance of developing pits in the tooth enamel. Excessive consumption of fluoride over a lifetime may increase the likelihood of bone fractures, and may result in effects on bone leading to pain and tenderness, a condition called skeletal fluorosis. Severe skeletal fluorosis is a rare condition in the United States. The EPA exposure analysis suggests that the effects on bone in adults are of greatest concern for those living in areas with high natural background levels of fluoride and favoring beverages, such as tea, that are high in fluoride

.

http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/faqs/

THE HORROR!

And bad teeth and gums can lead to heart disease. Your point?

 

[erocker]

Cool! I still don't use fluoride. No point.

I just cannot take your advice as a psychic medium or healer seriously anymore. The fluoride is clearly blocking your 3rd through 8th chakra!

 

[TheMailMan78]

Cool! I still don't use fluoride. No point.

I forgot your of British decent. Bad teeth and drinking tea are like a right of passage.

 

[erocker]

I am thankful you understand.

 

[Norton]

I don't put fluoride in my body.

Are you sure?

Flouride is naturally occurring and/or added to most drinking water supplies:

http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/fluoride.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

 

[erocker]

Are you sure?

Flouride is naturally occurring and/or added to most drinking water supplies:

http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/fluoride.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

I don't drink municipal water and I've always had a reverse osmosis setup. I actively try not to drink it and have done this for 20 years. City water now smells like bleach to me. Things like EPA, FDA, CDC are things I do not trust. Why should I? Why should I drink fluoride? I have no issues with my teeth. I suppose if I put sugar, corn syrup and other garbage into my body on a consistent basis, I would consider a fluoride toothpaste.

 

[RejZoR]

Erm, you do realize that you have to intake fluoride (of any form but is usually the sodium fluoride which is the most como one way or another, otherwise you'll be experiencing ostoporosis problems in the elderly period of your life... Even natural untreated water contains some fluoride. It helps your bones to remain flexible and tough.

Besides, you're making it way too big of a deal. Toothpaste usually contains up to 1500 ppm. That's 1500 per million units. And with toothpaste, you maybe ingest like 1/100th of that with saliva after you rinse your mouth with water.

Oh and the tap water is actually the cleanest in wast majority of cases, despite the regular beliefs of people. If it tastes funny it's either due to very old plumbing or i's not getting used enough and it becomes old within the pipes.

Any other info on why SnF2 would get in a conflict with nHA ? I've sent an email to a German ApaCare company that manufactures nHA toothpaste if they contain fluoride and what type, but I'll have to wait for the answer till sometime next year.

The Vademecum ProVitamin Repair says it uses "Liquid Enamel" technology which should essentially mean it contains hydroxyapatite and I know it contains sodium fluoride, but that's just my speculation since they don't specifically state hydroxiapatite as the ingredient.

It's also interesting that Sensodyne Repair & Protect contains stannous fluoride for US market but uses Sodium fluoride for EU market. Hm.

 

[erocker]

Erm, you do realize that you have to intake fluoride (of any form but is usually the sodium fluoride which is the most como one way or another, otherwise you'll be experiencing ostoporosis problems in the elderly period of your life... Even natural untreated water contains some fluoride. It helps your bones to remain flexible and tough.

Besides, you're making it way too big of a deal. Toothpaste usually contains up to 1500 ppm. That's 1500 per million units. And with toothpaste, you maybe ingest like 1/100th of that with saliva after you rinse your mouth with water.

Oh and the tap water is actually the cleanest in wast majority of cases, despite the regular beliefs of people. If it tastes funny it's either due to very old plumbing or i's not getting used enough and it becomes old within the pipes.

Any other info on why SnF2 would get in a conflict with nHA ? I've sent an email to a German ApaCare company that manufactures nHA toothpaste if they contain fluoride and what type, but I'll have to wait for the answer till sometime next year.

The Vademecum ProVitamin Repair says it uses "Liquid Enamel" technology which should essentially mean it contains hydroxyapatite and I know it contains sodium fluoride, but that's just my speculation since they don't specifically state hydroxiapatite as the ingredient.

That's all fine and good. All I'm saying is that I make a conscious decision on what I put in my body whether its fluoride a cheeseburger or some crack cocaine. Genetically, my body is already a mess and I try not to add to the mess. I'm sure if I told you what I eat and what I don't eat, you'd think I'm completely nuts!

 

[RejZoR]

Do you think that's air you're breathing now? Hehe

 

[Solaris17]

That's all fine and good. All I'm saying is that I make a conscious decision on what I put in my body whether its fluoride a cheeseburger or some crack cocaine. Genetically, my body is already a mess and I try not to add to the mess. I'm sure if I told you what I eat and what I don't eat, you'd think I'm completely nuts!

I CANNOT believe you are making personal decisions about your body and using self control as a mechanism to chose what you do and do not eat.

 

[RealNeil]

City water now smells like bleach to me.

No kidding. When I travel, I take a bunch of my town's tap water with me to drink when I'm away. If I drink chlorinated water (like most municipal water has in it) I get stomach pains and I get the shits.
My little town in Virginia gets it's water from wells and it's been rated the best in the state several times. No additives here, and it tastes better than bottled water does.

 

[natr0n]

I can only drink spring water anything else makes me sick.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I grew up on spring water now i have no teeth.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TPU