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We do it because it s pleasurable.

Drugs feel nice thats why we do them.

They are damaging which is why we shouldnt do them.

With the right education people are sensible enough to make their own minds up about nicotine, cafeine, alcohol weed, the list goes on.

Do some research in to why marijuana was criminilised in the 20's, absolutely nothing to do with public health... absolutely everything to protect the interests of cotton growers who were being driven out of business by hemp production.

A very important part of US history.


When my pc started smoking the fookin PSU blew up.
 

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I smoked cigarettes for about 4-5 years until my wife gave me the option having her or cigarettes. I chose her. :p
 

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My Girlfriend wouldn't give me any option because she smokes too :)
 

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When my lung collapsed they put a chest drain in, its a clear bucket with a pipe from your lung to drain the liquid.

I quit after 35 years as i was walking to the reception desk in the hospital to ask where the smoking area was and thought just how stupid i looked.

It gets such a grip on you. Dont do it, its a gateway to aaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllll the others, i know i have been there,

the up ones ,
the down ones
and the round and fucking round ones.
 

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My Girlfriend wouldn't give me any option because she smokes too :)
I did say I stopped smoking cigarettes. I'll leave that open to interpretation to some extent, but will say that I do enjoy a cigar now and again on special occasions but I can say that tobacco is definitely not my vice of choice. I also didn't find quitting hard, but I also never exceeded half a pack a day.

I started with Lucky Strikes, then moved on to camel filter, then camel filter wides (!!), then camel lights, then marlboro reds, then lights and ended there. I never really liked menthol either.
 
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I'm not a smoker, but I use a vaporizer. Some of the e liquid that are well made taste amazing. The cheap one's probably cause issues. Its essentially vapor and pg and vg. Same stuff in the food and drink we consume everyday. They want to regulate it, so they'll say anything.
 

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I'm not a smoker, but I use a vaporizer. Some of the e liquid that are well made taste amazing. The cheap one's probably cause issues. Its essentially vapor and pg and vg. Same stuff in the food and drink we consume everyday. They want to regulate it, so they'll say anything.
Some more recent studies have found nicotine itself to be carcinogenic aside from smoking. Considering how such a small amount of nicotine can be toxic, I'm more likely to believe that it will harm you even if you ingest it in a safer way.
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What I don't understand is what gets people to start smoking? I mean other than peer pressure as a kid or people thinking that it's cool or something, what is it?

For me, it was peer pressure that got me started. (14 years old) As a young man I wanted to fit in, so I smoked like all of the other kids.

When I quit, (at 38 years old) it was the birth of my third child combined with my sister (a nurse) taking me to an autopsy of a man who smoked for 50+ years.
When I saw the inside of his lungs, I never smoked again.
 

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When I saw the inside of his lungs, I never smoked again.
Did it look something like this? Obviously the on the left is the healthy one.
 

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Did it look something like this? Obviously the on the left is the healthy one.
Can't be that healthy , where's the rest if them? I started at 16, was very drunk at a house party. Found some cigs and thought what the hell. Now I'm 24 and smoke 6-7 a day. Personally I couldn't give a shit. I do think that others shouldn't be subjected to my habits however so I don't smoke in the car/house or in groups of none smokers. The only reason I'm trying to quit is I want to learn how to weld and buy a Capri.
 

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Chemicals in tobacco cigarette smoke
  • Acetaldehyde: suspected carcinogen.
  • Acetone: irritant: can cause kidney and liver damage.
  • Acrolein: extremely toxic.
  • Acrylonitrile: suspected human carcinogen.
  • 1-aminonaphthalene: causes cancer.
  • 2-aminonaphthalene: causes bladder cancer.
  • Ammonia: raises blood pressure.
  • Benzene: carcinogen.
  • Benzo[a]pyrene: mutagenic and highly carcinogenic
  • 1,3-Butadiene: suspected carcinogen.
  • Butyraldehyde: damages the lining of nose and lungs.
  • Cadmium: a heavy metal and highly toxic
  • Carbon Monoxide: decreases heart and muscle function.
  • Catechol: causes respiratory tract irritation and dermatitis.
  • Chromium: heavy metal and carcinogen.
  • Cresol: causes upper respiratory, nasal and throat irritation.
  • Crotonaldehyde: thought to interfere with immune function.
  • Formaldehyde: carcinogen
  • Hydrogen Cyanide: lethal poison
  • Hydroquinone: affects central nervous system effects.
  • Isoprene: irritates skin,eyes and mucous membranes.
  • Lead: causes brain damage
  • Methyl Ethyl Ketone: depresses the central nervous system.
  • Nickel: causes bronchial asthma and is a known carcinogen.
  • Nicotine: increases in heart rate and blood pressure, addictive element
  • Nitric Oxide: linked to Huntington’s, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease and asthma.
  • NNN, NNK, and NAT: known or possible carcinogens
  • Phenol: damages the the liver, kidneys; respiratory, cardiovascular and central nervous system.
  • Polonium - radioactive*
  • Propionaldehyde: skin, eye and respiratory system irritant
  • Pyridine: causes eye and upper respiratory tract irritation
  • Quinoline: causes genetic damage and is a possible carcinogen
  • Resorcinol: skin and eye irritant
  • Styrene: carcinogen
  • Toluene: linked to permanent brain damage.
... and thousands of other chemicals. No wonder I was feeling the way I was and it's amazing so many smokers get to live as long as we do.

* Australian scientist Dr Karl Kruszelnicki says the polonium released in tobacco cigarettes is the equivalent to 200 chest x-rays a year for people who smoke a pack of cigarettes every day.

Chemicals in ecig vapours
Compare that partial list with chemicals and compounds in e-cigarette vapours

  • Nicotine
  • Propylene glycol (not Ethylene glycol - which is toxic). Used in asthma inhalers and nebulizers. An experiment using animals determined "air containing these vapors in amounts up to the saturation point is completely harmless". The USA FDA has classified propylene glycol as "generally recognised as safe".
  • Vegetable glycerol - low toxicity. Used in medications, cosmetic and food items.
The only other chemicals are in the flavourings, which (if coming from a reputable merchant) are food grade and generally recognised as safe. By volume, flavours make up a very small percentage of eliquids.

However, it needs to be stated that food flavorings are designed to be digested, not vaporised and inhaled and the effects of using food flavors in such a way over a long period are yet to be established.

That said, very few carcinogenic chemicals have been found in e-cigarette vapours, and those present only appear to be in trace quantities - far less than in burning tobacco and similar or less than in recognised nicotine replacement therapies.

Unlike cigarette smoke, nearly all of the nicotine is absorbed in vaping.

Medical research:

Dr Joel Nitzkin, Chair of the Tobacco Control Task Force for the American Association of Public Health Physicians, believes the hazards posed by e-cigarettes would be much lower than one percent of that posed by smoking tobacco cigarettes.

In fact, the AAPHP states:

"Substances in the cigarette smoke, other than the nicotine, inhaled deep into the lung, cause most of the tobacco-attributable illness and death in the United States."

The AAPHP recommends electronic cigarettes as a less hazardous smoke-free tobacco/nicotine product.

Ecigs are a viable harm reduction device in my opinion, one that more smokers need to know about.

Important caveat
Ecigs have really only been in use for the past few years, so nothing is known about the long term effects. However, given 50% of tobacco smokers will die as a direct result of their habit (and often in a horrible way), it would seem to me that it's a risk worth taking.

It was for me as I really had nothing to lose as I was quite certain I was going to be one of the 50% that smoking would kill - and probably sooner rather than later.
 

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Marlboro Reds were my choice back in the day (cowboy killers). When they went with the box that was great for my pocket and solved bent and broken cigarettes



Leave them alone. It's not worth the consequences.
 

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Did it look something like this? Obviously the on the left is the healthy one.
This is a great pic. If this doesn't put a smoker off I don't know what will.
 

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chemicals in nicotine
nicotine




:respect:nicotine...... please try patches if you want to give up . i smoked 35 yrs. Keep the nicotine, ditch the smoke.

patches for nicotiine.

Vape for THC

:peace:
 

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chemicals in nicotine
nicotine




:respect:nicotine...... please try patches if you want to give up . i smoked 35 yrs. Keep the nicotine, ditch the smoke.

patches for nicotiine.

Vape for THC

:peace:

Dude I am not trying to quit! Vaping for me is not quitting.... its being able to continue to smoke but being safer. I never said in any of my posts that I am doing it to quit.
 

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Dude I am not trying to quit! Vaping for me is not quitting.... its being able to continue to smoke but being safer. I never said in any of my posts that I am doing it to quit.


you vape pure nicotine?

I dont want to give up nicotine just chemical laden smoke. Patches are a nice release.
 

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you vape pure nicotine?

I dont want to give up nicotine just chemical laden smoke. Patches are a nice release.

NO dude do even know anything about vaping? there is only a small amount in it according on what you get, 0/3/6/9/12/16/18/24-MG out of whatever ml you buy.



So 12MG is 0.25ml of the 30 ML Ejuice I smoke, (I actually use 6mg or below)
 

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NO dude do even know anything about vaping? there is only a small amount in it according on what you get, 0/3/6/9/12/16/18/24-MG out of whatever ml you buy.



So 12MG is 0.25ml of the 30 MG Ejuice I smoke, (I actually use 6mg or below)

Agreed i know nothing about vaping nicotine, never claimed to. I do know about the efficacy of nicotine patches as a safe delivery system. I am using them, they are good.

I have extensive experience of THC vape methods having been a med user for over 6 years as a treatment for chronic pain. And a recreational user for 30 years.

Each to their own, one of your opening posts mentioned the unknowns regarding vaping tobacco substitutes, i agree with you, the tech is new and the long term effects are still unknown.

I love nicotine and THC.......... i am not a big fan of lung cancer.
 

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We will not know the long term effects of vapor for a long time. there is study after study after study and one says its bad the other says its not then its back and forth. From my experiences it made me feel better from smoking tobacco. I do not cough up black or green shit anymore, I do not get winded from walking long distance or up stairs, and I do not smell like a french butthole.
 

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First there was snuff, it gave people brain cancer.
Then smoking in pipes, it gave people lip, mouth and throat cancer.
Then people chewed it, it gave them gum, cheek , tongue and throat cancer,
Then big business put it in pretty packs riddled it with untested chemicals and you could get cancer anywhere all of a sudden.

All that took 450 years and it has killed millions and lined the pockets of a few and thats without the shit of slavery that made it all cheaper !!!

If you smoke thats your choice, make an educated decision and consider the financial and health costs ITS A MUGS GAME ...... have kids, you;ll learn.
 
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well if you can control the wattage on your vape, its damn near like a breathing treatment. Like I said, no nicotine, just a hobbyist. It an interest way to experience new taste.
 
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I never said in any of my posts that I am doing it to quit.
I did and it is working so well. I am going to cut the nicotine down till there is none and just vape for the cool flavors. I am at 18 mg now down from 24. Next stop 12.
 

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So the formaldehyde is an additive in the vape? as per the thread title

If your doc can give patches to you like they do in the uk, try them . its a nice dose of nicotine with NO other shit. Its not social admittedly but equally its not anti social.

If you like vaping, shit man we would probably have a fucking scream vapeing together:roll:
 
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