Why Sli is a lie. From the 8800's to the 980's. A paying customers account of constant problems.

Ahhzz · Feb 3, 2015

*sigh*
Nvidia 6800 SLI
Nvidia 9800GT SLI
AMD 6950 XFire

And then, a Radeon 290 4Gb, and actually using all of the devices I pay for....

Frag_Maniac · Feb 3, 2015

So for the past ten years you've been drinking the SLI Kool-Aid and all of a sudden NOW you notice it's not what it's cracked up to be? I have to wonder why you kept buying into it for so long when you knew by experience it wasn't worth it?

This is largely why multi GPU is still pushed so hard, because people are such suckers for it and seem to be in denial of it year after year, hoping it will get better instead of putting your foot down and demanding it get better via boycotting.

And AMD are just as bad. Now they are pushing Mantle as an API that can pool the VRAM of more than one GPU, but the reality is there are severe tradeoffs. It can't even be done via alternating frame, and only with certain objects. Read the fine print people.

I'm just saying, the more people that buy into the hype and put their dollars down without doing the research, the more we will see such blatant ripoffs. At best they show a handful of games that they give special dev coveted attention to at the launch of a new architecture, then proceed to fall apart at the driver end on down the road with most titles.

Part of the problem is, it's a blind promise. No one knows on down the road whom the devs will seek to endorse their games, or how much diligence will be given to the drivers, or even how hard a given game code will be to work with. There's just too many variables and too many unknowns to be putting much stock into it, regardless of how advanced each new architecture is.

The only real reason to go multi GPU is ultra high res, and with the current powerful single GPUs, that pretty much means not just beyond 1080p, but WELL beyond. Ultra high res setups are still a very small niche part of the market though. The main thing that keeps multi GPU going is the multitude whom buy into it at lower resolutions whom don't need to.

Hopefully we'll get to the point where there will be single GPU cards that support up to the highest resolutions on their own, but I have a feeling both camps will do what they can to keep that from happening, or make it so expensive it won't be a viable alternative for most. THAT'S what buying into multi GPU without needing to has done to gaming.

peche · Feb 3, 2015

Frick said:
Not sufficent for high res, high end gaming. Moe money moe problems etc. I see it as a form of poetry.

mmmm 1920x1280P...?
GTx 780ti ?
The money can also be a fact... im pretty happy with my current GTX 760 OC... not ultra resolution or settings on some games but... it is brave card

Frick · Feb 3, 2015

peche said:
mmmm 1920x1280P...?
GTx 780ti ?
The money can also be a fact... im pretty happy with my current GTX 760 OC... not ultra resolution or settings on some games but... it is brave card

1440p and up. I don't think 1080p is considered "high" resolution these days.

peche · Feb 3, 2015

HumanSmoke · Feb 3, 2015

Frag Maniac said:
And AMD are just as bad. Now they are pushing Mantle as an API that can pool the VRAM of more than one GPU, but the reality is there are severe tradeoffs.

Might be a push to make multiple GPU purchases more palatable. If AMD's next enthusiast graphics card is limited to 4GB of vRAM (HBM), then it could run into problems when the PR machine runs headlong into reality. AMD's own guys are saying that 4GB is insufficient for 4K gaming with high game IQ, so in the eventuality that a single card bogs down in reviews and real-life gaming, they'll need a fall-back position- which is where unified memory fits in.

alwayssts · Feb 3, 2015

the54thvoid said:
As for 4k, its a cluster farce (look at the Scotsman not cursing!) for drivers and performance in general. I'm not moving to 4k until GM200 or 380X prove themselves. That's if I move at all.

Right. As much as people try to play it up, even this next gen will mostly be about ~1440p, especially on AMD's side (Because 4GB buffer). It's not going to be until we have (substantially, if you figure high-rez textures in some games, especially at high-rez) larger frame buffers and about 2x faster cards (than currently available) that it really starts to make sense. I guess a couple 12GB Titan-whatevers might make it 'feasible', but I don't exactly think think that's what most people will be buying...certainly not me. I see sli as an option to get that extra 'push' at currently playable-ish settings, not something I would want to have to depend on to get a higher resolution to be playable.

Stay at 1440p (which I think is the best compromise of both quality, cost, and future playability), or move to 4k, but realize scaling will be your new best friend, as we're only going to get 3/4 of the there this gen and you'll probably be sacrificing in-game quality to get there. It has always been, and will continue to be, something that will make sense when we hit 14/16nm and 2nd gen stacked memory.

My main open question is how will amd (380x) fare scaling up the ladder from 1440p->4k versus nvidia in a similar price/performance bracket (probably something like a 780 version of GM200...21 SMMs)? I think strangely-enough, it could be a reverse from what we currently see. AMD with more shaders and smaller buffer versus nvidia and it's slightly larger buffer and more 'optimized' config; AMD may excel at 1440p (with all options maxed out in games) and taper off quickly where-as GM200 may scale better (to something like 1800p) but never truly be targeted at having a strength at a certain resolution. This fares better for sli scaling actually having a more dramatic effect, but also conceivably it makes 380x and 1440p a great fit for probably a majority of people. We shall see how that pans out.

edit: and there's Human Smoke as usual...succinctly posting what I'm about to as I'm long-windily writing it.

newtekie1 · Feb 3, 2015

erocker said:
'Tis a fine patina!

HumanSmoke said:
Barbecue at your place? I'll bring the beer.

Interesting fact: That board still works to this day. In fact it I'm posting this post from the machine running it. The power supply wasn't as lucky...

D007 · Feb 5, 2015

the54thvoid said:
Dual card set ups are not for the faint hearted but my current 780ti sli set up works as I'd hoped.
I think the OP is s bit OTT. Sli does work and its not a lie. XDMA crossfire works well too but it is as already stated, game dependent.
As for 4k, its a cluster farce (look at the Scotsman not cursing!) for drivers and performance in general. I'm not moving to 4k until GM200 or 380X prove themselves. That's if I move at all.

OTT?
You did read the part where I said how Sli works wonderfully for some games right?

And works as you hoped? So no flashing shadows, textures, artifacting, bugs AT ALL?
Yea I'm not buying that at all.

Have you ever tried Sli with 3D?
That's a whole other can of worms right there also.

Nvidia has some new stuff coming out though from what I am reading, that may very well help the sli issues out a lot. Something about getting rid of the sli bridge.
The bridge it's self has been known to cause a lot of issues.
Fingers crossed.

peche said:
I'm not SLI fan or user, also I'm part of the ones who think that it's better to have one powerful card!

I really wish they could just kind of merge two cards into one, instead of use sli at all..lol

qubit said:
@D007

Ironically, I tried SLI recently using two 8800 Ultras I got

Lol I would love to know how those perform on current games. I bet they still pack a punch.

FreedomEclipse · Feb 5, 2015

D007 said:
Yes because I have no experience with the issue and I haven't spent thousands of dollars on sli set ups.. What a childish remark..
One more or the permanent ignore list.

LOL Hey guys... I think ive just won the internet ;p

Outback Bronze · Feb 5, 2015

I'm running a GTX 980 and if I need any more beef id buy another one in a heart beat.

I've mainly used Xfire over the years 4890s, 6950s, 7950s and 290s. They were all great setups. Maybe it was the games I was playing, but I never seemed to have any problems.

I think my old sli setups were a pair of GTX 9800s and 9600gt's none of those had issues either. Like I say must me the games I was playing at the time.

Because of my good luck in multiple cards I'm quite happy to team them up.

silapakorn · Feb 5, 2015

I went from 570sli to 670sli, but now I use a single 980 and I won't going back to dual gpu ever again. It costs too much and has too many performance issues.

Frag_Maniac · Feb 5, 2015

HumanSmoke said:
Might be a push to make multiple GPU purchases more palatable. If AMD's next enthusiast graphics card is limited to 4GB of vRAM (HBM), then it could run into problems when the PR machine runs headlong into reality. AMD's own guys are saying that 4GB is insufficient for 4K gaming with high game IQ, so in the eventuality that a single card bogs down in reviews and real-life gaming, they'll need a fall-back position- which is where unified memory fits in.

If it weren't for the tradeoffs, that they seem to be a bit tight lipped about, that would be all good, but as I said, the reality is it won't even work with alternating frame profiling, which is what pretty much ALL multi GPU scaling works off of, and it only works with a few select types of games due to other limitations.

DinaAngel · Feb 16, 2015

Iv allways used sli or crossfire but these days I don't have any issues I use 2560x1440

But yes there's been a lot of issues in past, so much that 1 gpu Is more worth it.

But for now I haven't had problems other than tearing time to time with Vsync on

mroofie · Feb 19, 2015

D007 said:
I have gone from the old 8800 series to the current 9 series and have used SLI all the way.
I have been using SLI for pretty much as long as sli has existed and I have to say I am disappointed.
There are few games I have played where micro stutter, game breaking bugs, bad performance issues or some other issue, presents it's self in sli. Then it does not present it's self in one gpu mode.

I could bore you with tons of games and specific problems regarding each one but instead I'll just give a brief explanation of very recurring problems.
Blackscreens, Timeout detection, freezing, device hanging, micro stutter and major stutter, artifacting and other visual oddities.
These are issues in game I have had where even when it says sli is supported, it still has issues with it..

I have been trying and hoping for years for Nvidia to get their stuff right and apparently they just can't.
So I think I'm going to stop buying sli set ups anymore.

Really isn't much else to say.. It is what it is.
I have tried it, I have tested it for years and it's always been the same.
One gpu is great, two and you will have problems with a lot of games in one way or the other.
Problems you might not even notice if you always leave SLI on.
But disable it in the same game and all of a sudden you go "Holy crap, you mean the game isn't supposed to stutter like that"!?"

I'd bet the same can be said for ATI as well..

I wasted a lot of money over the years for hopes of what I was told was a quality product, with claims of 90% performance increases, which turned out to be 90% of stutter increase mostly..

Not to say some games don't perform wonderfully in sli but 50% doesn't cut it for me.
/Sad panda

What about the new dx12? it seems to have the same capabilities of mantle in terms of multi gpu configs

"DirectX 12 will make it easy to treat multiple GPUs as a single entity"

http://wccftech.com/directx-12-directx-11-100fps-difference-unreleased-gpu/

eidairaman1 · Feb 19, 2015

Honestly if youre not happy with anything

You Have Options

1.Run 1 card only.
2.Return the Parts or Sell them off.
3.Mail the parts To Nvidia with a Nastygram.
4.Switch to the other Gpu maker (GASP! AMD).
5.Take the Parts behind a barn and shoot them.
6.Attach an Airbag to them and watch it go boom.
7.Bake them in the Oven with @Toothless (Lol)
8.Allow @Toothless to Pulse Blast Them (Lol)
9.Put Parts in Microwave and watch the Plasma Storm.
10.Never use computers again.

Slizzo · Feb 19, 2015

eidairaman1 said:
Honestly if youre not happy with anything

You Have Options

1.Run 1 card only.
2.Return the Parts or Sell them off.
3.Mail the parts To Nvidia with a Nastygram.
4.Switch to the other Gpu maker (GASP! AMD).
5.Take the Parts behind a barn and shoot them.
6.Attach an Airbag to them and watch it go boom.
7.Bake them in the Oven with @Toothless (Lol)
8.Allow @Toothless to Pulse Blast Them (Lol)
9.Put Parts in Microwave and watch the Plasma Storm.
10.Never use computers again.

I vote option 10 for him.

Honestly, I haven't had any issues with SLI nor Crossfire. I've had a couple SLI setups, and a 4870X2, and had issues with neither.

eidairaman1 · Feb 19, 2015

Slizzo said:
I vote option 10 for him.

Honestly, I haven't had any issues with SLI nor Crossfire. I've had a couple SLI setups, and a 4870X2, and had issues with neither.

Too many variables in configurations.

qubit · Feb 19, 2015

D007 said:
Lol I would love to know how those perform on current games. I bet they still pack a punch.

I'm sorry matey, I've only just realized you posted this. Yes, it would be interesting to do some benchies with them.

I could compare the following cards perhaps:

8800 Ultra
8800 Ultra SLI
GTX 285 (200 series is the true successor to the 8800 series)
GTX 580
GTX 590 (dual GPU, internal SLI for those who aren't familiar with this model)
GTX 780 Ti (my current card)

I could also chuck in GTX 580 SLI, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it.

Oh, I guess I could also add the HD 2900 XT in the "Valliant Effort" category. I can be so cruel sometimes. :laugh:

For games I could use Trackmania United (DX9) since it's got such an easy and convenient benchmark mode, plus one other game like Metro 2033 in DX10 benchmark mode, perhaps.

It's finding the time though, so please don't hold your breath for it.

neatfeatguy · Feb 19, 2015

qubit said:
I'm sorry matey, I've only just realized you posted this. Yes, it would be interesting to do some benchies with them.

I could compare the following cards perhaps:

8800 Ultra
8800 Ultra SLI
GTX 285 (200 series is the true successor the 8800 series)
GTX 580
GTX 590 (dual GPU, internal SLI for those who aren't familiar with this model)
GTX 780 Ti (my current card)

I could also chuck in GTX 580 SLI, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it.

Oh, I guess I could also add the HD 2900 XT in the "Valliant Effort" category. I can be so cruel sometimes.

For games I could use Trackmania United (DX9) since it's got such an easy and convenient benchmark mode, plus one other game like Metro 2033 in DX10 benchmark mode, perhaps.

It's finding the time though, so please don't hold your breath for it.

It was almost 4 years ago when I posted it here in the forums my benchmark results, but you can see the results between GTX 280s in SLI vs a single GTX 570 - post is here. This should give you an idea of what you could expect from one of the older power house cards (GTX 280) in SLI back in the day.

Keullo-e · Feb 19, 2015

With the multi GPU's I've had, I haven't got anything to complain. HD3870X2, 8800GTS SLI and HD5870 Crossfire. I guess it's called microstuttering because everybody can't even see it (like me) :laugh:

BUFDUP · Feb 20, 2015

People just bitch too much.

Ive had numerous SLI in the past and ive never had major problems, only 3 way sli + not scaling well.. thats to be expected

7950GX2 - Dual Gpu
8800 Ultra SLI
9800 GTX 3 Way SLI
9800 GX2 Quad SLI - Dual GPU
GTX 280 3 Way SLI - H20
GTS 450 SLI
GTX 580 SLI
GTX 590 Dual GPU
GTX 770 Lightning SLI - H20
GTX 980 SLI - H20

Just get a powerful single GPU and a gsync monitor and be done with it

I have a Asus Swift.... and i cant go back to standard monitors again

Bjorn_Of_Iceland · Feb 20, 2015

Owned 8800GT SLi, GTX260 216sp SLI.. and I even defended that setup from way back through constant self hypnosis that everything was alright probably because of the time and money invested in it.

Singe powerfull GPU > SLi.

OneMoar · Feb 20, 2015

O look another thread by D007 complaing about 'consumer rights'
wasn't he the guy that made a 30 something page thread spanning 3 forums about 4k over hdmi(which is technically impossible)
and eventually the problem was discovered to be a color compression option in his tv not enabled
yea ... nothing creditable here just flamebait
ill take anyone of his `problem` setups and fix it inside 30M

xfia · Feb 20, 2015

OneMoar said:
O look another thread by D007 complaing about 'consumer rights'
wasn't he the guy that made a 30 something page thread spanning 3 forums about 4k over hdmi(which is technically impossible)
and eventually the problem was discovered to be a color compression option in his tv not enabled
yea ... nothing creditable here just flamebait
ill take anyone of his `problem` setups and fix it inside 30M

4k has been possible with hdmi since 2009... should probably catch up a little bit

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Mouse	Meh
Keyboard	Meh
VR HMD	Meh
Software	Windows 10
Benchmark Scores	Meh

System Name	PCGOD
Processor	AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard	Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling	Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory	16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage	Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s)	NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case	AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s)	Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply	Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse	Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard	Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software	Windows 7 Pro 64

Processor	Ryzen 9 7950X3D
Motherboard	MSI X670E MPG Carbon Wifi
Cooling	Custom loop, 2x360mm radiator,Lian Li UNI, EK XRes140,EK Velocity2
Memory	2x16GB G.Skill DDR5-6400 @ 6400MHz C32
Video Card(s)	EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra OC Scanner core +750 mem
Storage	MP600 2TB,960 EVO 1TB,XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB,Micron 1100 2TB,1.5TB Caviar Green
Display(s)	Acer X34S, Acer XB270HU
Case	LianLi O11 Dynamic White
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G-Pro X Wireless
Power Supply	EVGA P3 1200W
Mouse	Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard	Logitech G512 Carbon w/ GX Brown
VR HMD	HP Reverb G2 (V2)
Software	Win 11

System Name	Quantumville™
Processor	Intel Core i7-2700K @ 4GHz
Motherboard	Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling	Noctua NH-D14
Memory	16GB (2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Black DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio
Storage	Samsung 850 Pro 256GB \| WD Black 4TB \| WD Blue 6TB
Display(s)	ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQR (4K, 144Hz, G-SYNC compatible) \| Asus MG28UQ (4K, 60Hz, FreeSync compatible)
Case	Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s)	Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply	Corsair AX1600i
Mouse	Microsoft Intellimouse Pro - Black Shadow
Keyboard	Yes
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

System Name	Personal / HTPC
Processor	Ryzen 5900x / i5-4460
Motherboard	Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 /ASRock Z87 Extreme4
Cooling	Corsair H100i / stock HSF
Memory	32GB DDR4 3200 / 8GB DDR3 1600
Video Card(s)	EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3080Ti / EVGA RTX 3060 XC
Storage	500GB Pro 970, 250 GB SSD, 1TB & 500GB Western Digital / 2x 4TB & 1x 8TB WD Red, 2TB SSD & 4TB SSD
Display(s)	Dell - S3220DGF 32" LED Curved QHD FreeSync Monitor / 50" LCD TV
Case	CoolerMaster HAF XB Evo / CM HAF XB Evo
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G35 headset
Power Supply	850W SeaSonic X Series / 750W SeaSonic X Series
Mouse	Logitech G502
Keyboard	Black Microsoft Natural Elite Keyboard
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64 / Windows 10 Pro 64

System Name	4K-gaming
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X up to 5.05GHz
Motherboard	Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite
Cooling	Custom loop (CPU+GPU, 240 & 120 rads)
Memory	32GB Kingston HyperX Fury @ DDR4-3466
Video Card(s)	PowerColor RX 6700 XT Fighter OC/UV
Storage	~4TB SSD + 6TB HDD
Display(s)	Acer 27" 4K120 IPS + Lenovo 32" 4K60 IPS
Case	Corsair 4000D Airflow White
Audio Device(s)	Asus TUF H3 Wireless
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova G2 750W
Mouse	Logitech MX518
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	It runs Crysis remastered at 4K

System Name	Current
Processor	Intel i7 5930k @ 4.6Ghz 1.3v h²o
Motherboard	Asus R5E EK Monoblock h²o
Cooling	Custom Water 360 + 480 Rad
Memory	Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB DDR4-2666
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Ref GTX 980 SLI h²o EKWB
Storage	500GB 950 Pro M.2 SSD, 2TB WD Black, 3TB WD Green, 4TB Seagate
Display(s)	Asus PG278Q ROG Swift 1440p 144hz G-Sync 1ms, Dell U2711 IPS 1440p
Case	Corsair Obsidian 900D
Audio Device(s)	Creative Sound blaster Zx
Power Supply	Corsair AX1200i
Software	Windows 10 Home 64 Bit

System Name	Thakk
Processor	i7 6700k @ 4.5Ghz
Motherboard	Gigabyte G1 Z170N ITX
Cooling	H55 AIO
Memory	32GB DDR4 3100 c16
Video Card(s)	Zotac RTX3080 Trinity
Storage	Corsair Force GT 120GB SSD / Intel 250GB SSD / Samsung Pro 512 SSD / 3TB Seagate SV32
Display(s)	Acer Predator X34 100hz IPS Gsync / HTC Vive
Case	QBX
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC1150 > Creative Gigaworks T40 > AKG Q701
Power Supply	Corsair SF600
Mouse	Logitech G900
Keyboard	Ducky Shine TKL MX Blue + Vortex PBT Doubleshots
Software	Windows 10 64bit
Benchmark Scores	http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12108888

System Name	RPC MK2.5
Processor	Ryzen 5800x
Motherboard	Gigabyte Aorus Pro V2
Cooling	Enermax ETX-T50RGB
Memory	CL16 BL2K16G36C16U4RL 3600 1:1 micron e-die
Video Card(s)	GIGABYTE RTX 3070 Ti GAMING OC
Storage	ADATA SX8200PRO NVME 512GB, Intel 545s 500GBSSD, ADATA SU800 SSD, 3TB Spinner
Display(s)	LG Ultra Gear 32 1440p 165hz Dell 1440p 75hz
Case	Phanteks P300 /w 300A front panel conversion
Audio Device(s)	onboard
Power Supply	SeaSonic Focus+ Platinum 750W
Mouse	Kone burst Pro
Keyboard	EVGA Z15
Software	Windows 11 +startisallback

Processor	FX6350@4.2ghz-i54670k@4ghz
Video Card(s)	HD7850-R9290