Arctic Silver 5 issues

[GreiverBlade]

Someone pointed out that AS5 recommend in the instructions for a vertical line. They also recommend to "Tint" the paste and then there is little burn in time in the same instruction sheet. But really any of these pastes are fine and there is only about 7c from the worst to the best.

"tint"? and that reduce the "200hrs" break in burn time? well at last when i apply one of the other past i use i see a result difference by the end of the day ... without any extra manipulation.
tho i am really curious what they mean by "tint" (sorry not native English speaker/reader)

 

[R-T-B]

Don't worry, I'm a non native speaker and have no idea what they mean by "tint" either. Tint usually means like to change color, or do a color gradient. I mean how do you do that with thermal paste?

 

[Jetster]

Read the instructions for tinting

http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/vl/intel_app_method_vertical_line_v1.1.pdf

 

[R-T-B]

Well I guess I learn something new everyday. I don't use AS5 but at least now I understand that. Thanks.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Well I guess I learn something new everyday. I don't use AS5 but at least now I understand that. Thanks.

me too ... tho any past that require extra manipulation to work better : what's the point? (specially when it cost more and pack less quantity than other brand who don't require that manipulation)

 

[R-T-B]

me too ... tho any past that require extra manipulation to work better : what's the point? (specially when it cost more and pack less quantity than other brand who don't require that manipulation)

If it really did some magic extreme cooling I'd see it. The paste I linked isn't the best, I'll admit... it performs similar to mainstream pastes I see recommended though, and it's easy as heck to apply, and dirt cheap. That's my criteria pretty much in an nutshell.

 

[FireFox]

If someone that is Building the first Rig ask me how to apply the paste i can understand it but of someone that have already Built Rigs still ask about how to do it that's unacceptable, there is not too much to debate about how to apply the paste.

 

[R-T-B]

Applying paste is hard for me. I have a fine motor dysfunction that makes it that much harder.

Obviously this is not a consideration for many, but it is for me.

I also write like an insane doctor on acid, but that's a separate issue...

 

[peche]

@xfia

yeah peche's temps are def within a area that needs no debate..
could it be computronix is referring to turbo boost temps? what do you really think about him saying 80c is to hot for stability and longevity?

well I did the re-paste because the stock pre-applied paste on my block was f*cked,

I knew that AS5 could help or make the job for a while… I will order tomorrow the arctic mx4 for re-pasting CPU / GPU, as I said before I'm on my way out of AS5 paste… other compounds from AS too, the unique thing that I will use more is arctic clean,

for the moment the current AS5 is "doing the job" I will stick this application for a max 4 weeks, to compare results when I replace it with AC MX4, then I will make a review of it,

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@R-T-B

Ironically, in my experience I use this stuff and it performs as good as if not better than AS5:

http://www.alliedelec.com/gc-electronics-10-8109/70159792/

You can also buy it by the pound jar for less than $30 a jar. Price a pound of AS5 and you'll probably have a high end GPU on your hands for the same amount.

It's very easy to spread in my experience using a simple discardable credit card. It is intended for high heat applications such as (I quote from the label) "heatsinks on radios, electronics, and tractors"

I'm not sure what kind of heatsink a tractor uses, but I'm sure it's hefty. It works a treat on a CPU heatsink too, never had any trouble and it does NOT conduct electricity, performs pretty darn good, and is WAY cheaper than AS5 or any specialty compound.

Can you tell us more?
how it does at idle and full load?
Discovering new things and sharing new options is always cool!


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@GreiverBlade
QUOTE="GreiverBlade, post: 3245785, member: 105443"] well delidding is not pointless, if temps are not fine ... (so in my case it would be pointless) [/QUOTE] I'm looking for the lowest temps…

I gotta recognize that my actions are making me so freaky sometimes…

no you shouldn't ... toss it in the trash, for instance running at 4.6 in any cpu intensive task (or OCCT) i never got above 43° and i use the GC extreme and pea size method... a full vertical stripe in the middle ? well that's a good commercial recommendation to make you use more TIM than other on a 3.5g syringe on opposite to the concurrent in 4g (and also cheaper in many cases)

Correct, I have applied AS5 with seeral methods including popular ones, and pea size on the center has demonstrated better results compared to other application methods,

when the AC MX4 comes I will have to do some applications on a couple of PC's for comparisons between applications and results over the time…

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do not buy list:

· Arctic Silver
· Star
· Spire

· and GD Brand OEM (tho they work fine as a backup if short on other past)

recommended

· Thermalright Chill Factor 2
· Prolimatech PK-3
· Phobya HE Grease Extreme

highly recommended

· Arctic (cooling) MX-4
· Gelid GC Extreme

not mentioning AS say the AS5 has a curing time? well all other say they don't have one (or a shorter one), also price to price and versus quantity they are under what other offer (AS5 might have been good at launch day indeed) and when they beat other past, what's the margin? 1° +/- yep ...

totally agreed with your opinion about curing time and quantity, the list seems to be fine, I have never seen the ones on DO not buy list, just AS ones!

here is my list:

Do not Buy:

AS ceramic and AS5>> overpriced… they lowered quality when they killed Arctic Silver 3.
Thermaltake TG3
OZC freeze,

Buy List:

Thermaltake TG 1/2
Coolermaster nanofusion
Coolermaster Ice Fusion >> the 30G flask is the better deal in the world for lowperformance, entry level and not gaming rigs, works flawless on laptops!
Arctic MX4
Coollaboratory liquid PRO / Ultra

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funny when i read pea size i always see a rice grain sized pea .... and most user see so ... since obviously a pea is kinda big... most user mix pea and rice xD no one with half a brain will put a grain of TIM the size of a pea on a cpu (indeed it's too much)

and i don't think the issue is with the application but with the hype over that TIM he thought he could see direct improvement asap but AS5 has a long cycle before it does so (while as i said MX line GC or other i use have none)

Well let's say that I did rice grain application method… and pressure over it with the waterblock, also I did a couple of sweet twists for killing air bubbles.. just in case they could appear there…

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let's say your only issue is to expect lower than 34° temps and got AS5 for that purpose. (correct me if i am wrong xD )

Correct, I expect this:

iddle 28c

load 45c

Why ?

Because my cousin computer at San Diego CA have similar temps, actually that was my other computer, the on I used there… I did the setup and also is using similar cooler, Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro… I'm using water 3.0 Pro

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@Jetster

Someone pointed out that AS5 recommend in the instructions for a vertical line. They also recommend to "Tint" the paste and then there is little burn in time in the same instruction sheet. But really any of these pastes are fine and there is only about 7c from the worst to the best.

Health risks with AS5
http://www.arcticsilver.com/PDF/thermcom/AS5_MSDS_3.pdf

this is worthless.. trsut me .. i have done it and there is no diference .. at least for me...

Regards,

 

[GreiverBlade]

also on cleaner :

the AS one cost me 2chf more than the Phobya one ... (situational dependent i reckon) well ... not that 2chf/$/€ matter really but still xD (that still make ~50chf difference per 1L/KG just in case i reach 1L/KG on the long term ahahah )
it might be because i am Swiss that i abhor AS brand ... but i did try it so i am half discharged of all "fanboyism" issue

 

[rtwjunkie]

@peche Why are you delidding a 3770? You shouldn't be having problems with heat. I have both, and neither have any heat problems. In fact, I run my 3770k at the same volts and overclock as my former 2600k and it runs no hotter. And 3770 we have runs on stock volts and I wonder if it has a mini refrigerator in it it runs so cool.

Is it just "because?"

 

[peche]

@peche Why are you delidding a 3770? You shouldn't be having problems with heat. I have both, and neither have any heat problems. In fact, I run my 3770k at the same volts and overclock as my former 2600k and it runs no hotter. And 3770 we have runs on stock volts and I wonder if it has a mini refrigerator in it it runs so cool.

Is it just "because?"

Correct

I 'm like… amazed because of the intense process, all the risk and shit, ya know livin' on da edge"
Lol… I would like to doit just for temps lowering, no reason at all, my temps may be decent…
but there is something in my mind that keeps sayin' to me to do it ..


Regards,

 

[R-T-B]

@xfia
@R-T-B

Can you tell us more?
how it does at idle and full load?
Discovering new things and sharing new options is always cool!


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Sure, but you have to take my figures with a grain of salt. I take staying under the 100C thermal junction limit in RealTemp's full load test as "acceptable" as I both have a very power hungry, very hotrunning chip based on a 32nm process node, and a bad clocker at that. I'm basically thermally limited by this chip as to get the clocks in my profile I have to pump almost 1.4v through it and it gets rather hot doing so.

That said, AS5 fails the RealTemp test at these clocks at around 90% of the full load test. The stuff I linked passes, but barely. I'm considering ordering some of that Prolimatech stuff that won some heatsink compound review bout I read and see how it performs too.

I'll post actual realtemp load figures here in a sec.

 

[peche]

another thing that i hate about arctic silver 5, here in costa rica its pretty difficult to get some specific parts for computers, and Arctic silver 5 its ultra overpriced,




Regards,

 

[R-T-B]

If you ever wanted to bulk ship thermal paste, prices here are decent and I'd be happy to help you get some. Issue is with shipping, even first class to Costa Rica is expensive ($10+ for a small envelope), so it'd have to be a rather large order to amount to any savings.

 

[peche]

If you ever wanted to bulk ship thermal paste, prices here are decent and I'd be happy to help you get some. Issue is with shipping, even first class to Costa Rica is expensive ($10+ for a small envelope), so it'd have to be a rather large order to amount to any savings.

Everything in here is expensive... trust me ...
thanks for your help....

 

[R-T-B]

Here's my thermal chart with that stuff. I'll post a more reputable brand's thermal chart, possibly Prolimatech's stuff later. But this is pretty decent for my chip which has a stock clock TDP of 130W, and probably around 260W at my crazy voltage overclock (figure when it dies, it'll be a good excuse to upgrade, lol).

IDLE:

LOAD (Shown as distance from TJMax, or 100C):

 

[peche]

interesting !
Thanks for sharing!

Regards,

 

[R-T-B]

Np,

It's also worth noting I have a "better" intel stock cooler. It's still shit.

 

[peche]

would be nice to testit with water
will outperform many big brands,

 

[SirKeldon]

Since 7 years ago I'm using MX-2 and then switched to MX-4, for CPUs and GPUs, best thermal compound for me, with air and with water, i'm with @GreiverBlade 100%

Cheers

 

[R-T-B]

would be nice to testit with water
will outperform many big brands,

I'm scared of water, used to have it and I sprung a leak... never again.

Again, bad hands remember? lol

I'm open to good aircooler suggestions though.

 

[Steevo]

There is nothing at all wrong with AS5, it can be expensive, but its only a couple degrees away from the liquid metals that eat aluminum and can run out.

Tint means to apply a small amount and spread it across the surface, like applying a film of the product, essentially it does some of the work filling in the surface defects first.

 

[R-T-B]

I agree there is nothing WRONG with AS5, but you can get stuff that performs as good in most if not all circumstances for far cheaper.

It's also in my experience a little harder to apply, but again I am a really poor example due to poor hand coordination.

 

[xorbe]

Nothing wrong with 66C peak during daytime. Given the higher idle seems like that's even with the ambient up a little bit.