Arctic Silver 5 issues

[peche]

There is nothing at all wrong with AS5, it can be expensive, but its only a couple degrees away from the liquid metals that eat aluminum and can run out.

Tint means to apply a small amount and spread it across the surface, like applying a film of the product, essentially it does some of the work filling in the surface defects first.

I agree there is nothing WRONG with AS5, but you can get stuff that performs as good in most if not all circumstances for far cheaper.

It's also in my experience a little harder to apply, but again I am a really poor example due to poor hand coordination.

Nothing wrong with 66C peak during daytime. Given the higher idle seems like that's even with the ambient up a little bit.

I had nothing against AS5, the thing here is that compound its overpriced for me…

why?

Arctic Cooling MX2&4 beat it, pretty much better compound, no curing time, you can spread it as you want, arctic silver gets affected with application method, and AS5 is a way ticker than MX compound, removing the old burned paste from you cooler may be a nightmare, the unique advantage I have found so far is the time it last… like 3 years…!

I have to recognize that AS5 is a great compound, it’s a matter of personal opinion, but if arctic will offer a 4G tube and a little lower price will be excellent.. that’s my opinion


Regards,

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

I use As5 on all my rigs with no issues. I use the spread method as this is the way I have always done it with no ill effects.

 

[peche]

spread into CPU IHS and a little spread @ cooler?

 

[MrGenius]

Artic Silver 5 < Cool Silver G4(google it, and/or see links provided).

CSG4 is by far the best TIM I've ever used. Its performance humiliates the likes of MX-4 and AS5. Costs about the same as any high-end TIM. Not too hard to apply either, once you get used to it. It is pretty thick. But it also has a convenient "self-levelleing flow" factor. If left to its own for a few minutes, it sorta spreads itself out to an even thickness. Anyways, even a shitty application will work better than a perfect application of just about any TIM you're going to find(and certainly any mentioned in this thread). I guarantee it. Been there, done that.

http://www.aitechnology.com/products/thermalinterface/thermgel/

http://www.aitechnology.com/store/i...oducts_id=19&zenid=jqslcis1n47f73cnvsjjhdf1o1

 

[GreiverBlade]

Artic Silver 5 < Cool Silver G4(google it, and/or see links provided).

CSG4 is by far the best TIM I've ever used. Its performance humiliates the likes of MX-4 and AS5. Costs about the same as any high-end TIM. Not too hard to apply either, once you get used to it. It is pretty thick. But it also as a convenient "self-levelleing flow" factor. If left to its own for a few minutes, it sorta spreads itself out to an even thickness. Anyways, even a shitty application will work better than a perfect application of just about any TIM you're going to find(and certainly any mentioned in this thread). I guarantee it. Been there, done that.

http://www.aitechnology.com/products/thermalinterface/thermgel/

http://www.aitechnology.com/store/i...oducts_id=19&zenid=jqslcis1n47f73cnvsjjhdf1o1

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not bad ... but the price is still ..... meh. and humiliate ... by how much in reality ? +/-1° (until 10° difference then it's not a humiliation )
i keep my Gelide GC-Extreme , oh goody good Aquatuning.ch have a 30g (and not at 99.99$ ) also ... next time no syringe for me

edit: oh ... it's a 12W/m-°K oh well that's expected that it beat a 8.9W/m-°K (for the non electrically conductive Cool Silver, which is the line of the G4 i assume )

e edit: well availability rules all ... (if it's a so wonderful TIM it should be a bit more world widely distributed.)

 

[R-T-B]

I kind of doubt a "shitty application" of any "super" thermal paste will best even a subpar paste applied well. The fact is application is very important. If you have bare spots or too much goop it's going to suck no matter what magic material it's made of. This is why I rank ease of application so highly, I can't apply paste well in the first place and application truly is far more important than your choice of paste...

 

[Aquinus]

I use As5 on all my rigs with no issues. I use the spread method as this is the way I have always done it with no ill effects.

Me as well. Even on the tower in my specs I use the pea method for both GPUs and the CPU. I haven't changed the thermal compound since I first built it (with respect to the CPU) and it still works great. The GPUs are another story as it seems to dry out very quickly (faster on the non-reference one which is interesting.) With respect to thermal transfer, I've never had an issue with AS5. I will note that using the pea method with the GPUs does require several heating/cooling cycles so the paste can continue to spread out.

I would also like to clear up the misconception that you need to run a machine for X amount of hours to cure. Only 5 full heating/cooling cycles were needed to get the temps to drop significantly on my GPUs after applying it.

All in all, I've used MX-4 and AS5 and I notice practially no difference between them other than the AS5 usually requires some heating/cooling cycles to finish up the application of it. I personally feel that AS5 is good not because it transfers heat any better than other compounds, but because it seems to last longer than most other pastes I've used.

Also WRT tinting, I've heard that doing it this way can introduce air pockets when you mount the cooler. I don't know how true this is, but I can see the logic behind it since air is a less capable medium for thermal transfer than the TIM.

I kind of doubt a "shitty application" of any "super" thermal paste will best even a subpar paste applied well.

A little too much paste can easily increase your temperature anywhere from 5 to 20*C depending on how much you put on. Since you want the smallest gap possible, less is more until too little is less. The first time I applied it to my 3820 I overestimated how much I needed because of the size of the CPU and put too much. Remounted it with less and temps dropped 15*C under stress, so too much can mean a big difference.

 

[peche]

i can tell you fellas that AS5 lasts pretty much in comparisson woth others.... also applicacion method and mounts may affect the complete process, not as a magical diference as it was said there....

Regards,

 

[GreiverBlade]

i can tell you fellas that AS5 lasts pretty much in comparisson woth others.... also applicacion method and mounts may affect the complete process, not as a magical diference as it was said there....

Regards,

the unique advantage I have found so far is the time it last… like 3 years…!,

well the Arctic MX-4 is under a 3yrs application duration warranty (i don't remember the Gelid tho ... ) but as i change the TIM quite often (i should say when i remember to do so or when i am fiddling with a waterblock or cleaning a GPU heatsink) i don't really care about the application duration.

to make it clear : easy to apply, good performance, little overtime degradation the GC Extreme the MX4 and the PK3 qualify for all, the AS TIM don't for at last 1 (i don't remember who got a GPU ruined by a AS5 application because the past turned into a weird goo but i remember clearly reading it somewhere).

 

[peche]

well, as i told before here in costa rica is pretty hard to find another source of TIM, people here love AS despite of curing time and sh*t, if you want to try another paste you have to import it, order on line

Regards,

 

[R-T-B]

Someone out there needs to make an epic thermal compound from all your central/south american mirracle rainforest plants.

(Yes, I am well aware that's an incredibly stupid idea. Just want to see it happen).

 

[Jetster]

Ive never had an issue with AS5. But really I use what I have. I just prefer AS5 but in my drawer right now I have GC Extreme, MX-4, Nt-H1, And AS5.
If your getting bubbles from tinting than your doing it wrong. Your suppose to wipe it off then apply a grain of rice and let pressure spread it. I've personally tested all these. I cant see much difference at all

 

[R-T-B]

I've personally tested all these. I cant see much difference at all

I've tested quite a few compunds myself in search of "the one", and ditto. Almost no difference.

Which is why I take my "cheap easy to spread stuff" anyday. It's yet to do anything bad (despite being intended for radios and tractors), at any rate.

 

[Aquinus]

well, as i told before here in costa rica is pretty hard to find another source of TIM, people here love AS despite of curing time and sh*t, if you want to try another paste you have to import it, order on line

Regards,

So much hate for AS5 when

Ive never had an issue with AS5.

and

I've tested quite a few compunds myself in search of "the one", and ditto. Almost no difference.

being the general kinds of statements which is also true in my own findings (with the exception of some really cruddy stuff from a local store in an emergency several years ago.) So I personally can't see why someone would think AS5 is cruddy when in reality all half-decent pastes practically work the same. More often than not, high temperatures are not the fault of the TIM but rather the application, mounting of it, along with the mount itself, the cooler, and airflow. So to reduce the "my temps are higher" argument down to simply the TIM is a little ridiculous.

I would be much more likely to believe that you didn't optimally apply the paste as opposed to it actually being bad considering other people's experiences in addition to my own. I wouldn't have bought a 10g tube of the stuff if I didn't think it worked and if it hadn't worked in the past. Something as simple as too much or too little can cause problems. I usually tend to think it's the human element at fault because more often than not, it is.

 

[R-T-B]

It's also worth noting his location in central america likely has much higher ambients than some folks... unless he's running AC or something of course, which is possible.

My main beef with AS5 comes from a value perspective, which doesn't apply here if that's all he can get. It performs fine, but here in America there are far more options at cheaper cost.

 

[MrGenius]

not bad ... but the price is still ..... meh. and humiliate ... by how much in reality ? +/-1° (until 10° difference then it's not a humiliation )
i keep my Gelide GC-Extreme , oh goody good Aquatuning.ch have a 30g (and not at 99.99$ ) also ... next time no syringe for me

edit: oh ... it's a 12W/m-°K oh well that's expected that it beat a 8.9W/m-°K (for the non electrically conductive Cool Silver, which is the line of the G4 i assume )

e edit: well availability rules all ... (if it's a so wonderful TIM it should be a bit more world widely distributed.)

You can order it directly from the AIT online store(as well as ebay, amazon, etc. too). It does cost slightly more that way, but still well worth it in my book.

O.k. then, maybe not humiliate. How about embarrass? Because you'll likely see at least 5°(+/- 1°). Less likely nearer to 10°. YMMV. But, again, still well worth it if you ask me.

I've never used, or even seen, Cool Silver G3. Which is/was also non-conductive. I can only assume that G4 is an improved version of it. I'll add this quote from the back of the package referring to the matter.

Note: Cool Silver G4 is thermally conductive yet electrically insulating. With Cool Silver G4, there is no concern of shorting electrical components. Cool Silver G4 is also non-curing, allowing for the easy removal of the heat sink for testing upgrades.

1 more thing, I've also found a TIM with WAY higher thermal conductivity than anything you've probably ever heard of(>16W/m-°K). But I haven't tried it, so I ain't giving that secret up just yet. You'll have to find that one on your own...for now.

 

[FireFox]

but there is something in my mind that keeps sayin' to me to do it ..

Something?
That's me

MX-4 is all what i use and so far no problems with temps, CooLab ultra is a different history.

 

[peche]

Something?
That's me

i think yes... i want to achieve better temps...

MX-4 is all what i use and so far no problems with temps, CooLab ultra is a different history.

Agreed.... coollab FTW

also the fact of the post was about arctic silver, issues like anormal temps, curing time, every adeventure... you might imagine....
i am not complaining about it, im bringing out my experience this time,
Regards,

 

[Steevo]

You can order it directly from the AIT online store(as well as ebay, amazon, etc. too). It does cost slightly more that way, but still well worth it in my book.

O.k. then, maybe not humiliate. How about embarrass? Because you'll likely see at least 5°(+/- 1°). Less likely nearer to 10°. YMMV. But, again, still well worth it if you ask me.

I've never used, or even seen, Cool Silver G3. Which is/was also non-conductive. I can only assume that G4 is an improved version of it. I'll add this quote from the back of the package referring to the matter.


1 more thing, I've also found a TIM with WAY higher thermal conductivity than anything you've probably ever heard of(>16W/m-°K). But I haven't tried it, so I ain't giving that secret up just yet. You'll have to find that one on your own...for now.

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-gap-pads/4901711/

AS5 thinned with mineral oil was found to have the highest themal conductivity of any tested substance a few years ago, but ran out when placed in the vertical position.

http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com...sk=view&id=138&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=1

 

[Dave65]

I've done the line method and the pea method, all the line method does is use more TIM, but doesn't lower temps over the pea method..

 

[GreiverBlade]

You can order it directly from the AIT online store(as well as ebay, amazon, etc. too). It does cost slightly more that way, but still well worth it in my book.

O.k. then, maybe not humiliate. How about embarrass? Because you'll likely see at least 5°(+/- 1°). Less likely nearer to 10°. YMMV. But, again, still well worth it if you ask me.

I've never used, or even seen, Cool Silver G3. Which is/was also non-conductive. I can only assume that G4 is an improved version of it. I'll add this quote from the back of the package referring to the matter.


1 more thing, I've also found a TIM with WAY higher thermal conductivity than anything you've probably ever heard of(>16W/m-°K). But I haven't tried it, so I ain't giving that secret up just yet. You'll have to find that one on your own...for now.

still looks fishy ... wonder TIM ... naaaaahhh and 16W/m-°k or even 12 and above are pointless when all the 8.9W/m-°K past does the job and fine ... com'on ... you need under 30° idle? my cpu rarely get above 42° gaming and 51° max seen under a stress test (OCCT )

the price is still meh ... means: what the hell... cost 3time the Gelide GC-Extreme per 30g and ... i would really see how it's humiliating it ... as i said if the difference is between 1 and 9° : not worth at all, the other past do the job fine, above 10° difference well maybe you can call it superior ... but not worth it.

5° is not a embarrassment it's a good improvement but still not worth it ... well i would like to see my 4690k at 25° but not at that price even if i watercool it and run it at 4.6 permanent
(cost slightly more is a weak sentence xD 3 time the normal price for 5° is not what i call a bargain)

AS5 thinned with mineral oil

and totally impractical .... what's the point if you have to do extra manipultation .... the AS line is expensive enough to have it right without requiring extra work.... at last the Cool Silver from AIT have a high cost and does it right at start ... even if they are not worth the "improvement"

 

[peche]

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-gap-pads/4901711/
AS5 thinned with mineral oil was found to have the highest themal conductivity of any tested substance a few years ago, but ran out when placed in the vertical position.
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com...sk=view&id=138&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=1

no need to secrew over thermal compound with mineral oil ... i dont want to bake pizza under my waterblock....

I've done the line method and the pea method, all the line method does is use more TIM, but doesn't lower temps over the pea method..

Correct, but for some cases works pretty well i like the most pea sized application method, but sometimes it's a matter of tryouts,

Also tonight gonna replace my TIM again, yesterday found my old coolermaster Ice fusion flask... so guys you will have another review,

Regards,

Well yesterday i got pretty late at home, so re-paste is going to be re-scheduled, today !
Coolermaster Ice Fusion...!

 

[MrGenius]

still looks fishy ... wonder TIM ... naaaaahhh and 16W/m-°k or even 12 and above are pointless when all the 8.9W/m-°K past does the job and fine ... com'on ... you need under 30° idle? my cpu rarely get above 42° gaming and 51° max seen under a stress test (OCCT )

the price is still meh ... means: what the hell... cost 3time the Gelide GC-Extreme per 30g and ... i would really see how it's humiliating it ... as i said if the difference is between 1 and 9° : not worth at all, the other past do the job fine, above 10° difference well maybe you can call it superior ... but not worth it.

5° is not a embarrassment it's a good improvement but still not worth it ... well i would like to see my 4690k at 25° but not at that price even if i watercool it and run it at 4.6 permanent
(cost slightly more is a weak sentence xD 3 time the normal price for 5° is not what i call a bargain)

You win. I won't argue with any of that. It's a valid opinion, and you're fully entitled to have it.