seems to be ISP throttle issue for torrent downloading... Pls help....

[alivehunter]

The issue I am facing is :

I am trying to download some files via torrents.
(be it a single file or a folder with no. of files.)
the moment I add the torrent in the torrent client (I tried Utorrent, Bittorrent, Vuze, Deluge),
the file starts downloading at 1Mbps speed, but once the around 200 MB of the file is downloaded, the speed dies down to zero.
I tried with downloading torrent from different sources but same issue.
Also after a number of trial and error, I released that the moment a new file is added ... say if a torrent has 5 files in a folder to be downloaded, and initially while adding the torrent in the client I select (tick) only one file to be downloaded, it starts with 1Mbps and dies... but in the same torrent if I select the one more file to be downloaded ... again the torrent raises the speed to 1Mbps and eventually it also dies...

pls help .. if someone have an idea whts going on ...!!!!!

 

[newtekie1]

Do you have the port forwarded properly in your router to your PC? Are you setup to allow uploading and is uploading working? Sometimes if you aren't sharing seeders will start to really throttle how fast you can download from them.

If it really is your ISP throttling bittorrent traffic(and it is possible) then the only solution might be to use a service like Private Internet Access. This will hide all your activity from your ISP so they can't throttle torrents.

 

[Ikaruga]

Did you force encryption in the client?
What is the torrent in question? I might give it a try so we can see if it's at your end or just slow seeders.

ps: I hope it's not something illegal. you are trying to download

 

[alivehunter]

Do you have the port forwarded properly in your router to your PC? Are you setup to allow uploading and is uploading working? Sometimes if you aren't sharing seeders will start to really throttle how fast you can download from them.

If it really is your ISP throttling bittorrent traffic(and it is possible) then the only solution might be to use a service like Private Internet Access. This will hide all your activity from your ISP so they can't throttle torrents.

Did you force encryption in the client?
What is the torrent in question? I might give it a try so we can see if it's at your end or just slow seeders.

ps: I hope it's not something illegal. you are trying to download

yes i tried forced encryption .. also i tried RC4 encryption in Vuze...
also is not the issue of seeding ...(i am trying from kickass .. seeder=1500+) ...

uploading is normal... no issues with that...

my setup :
pin RJ45 direct from the ISP... then is my Wifi router ... TPLink 740N... which is then wired to my Desktop..

 

[erocker]

Did you try contacting your ISP?

 

[Ikaruga]

yes i tried forced encryption .. also i tried RC4 encryption in Vuze...
also is not the issue of seeding ...(i am trying from kickass .. seeder=1500+) ...

uploading is normal... no issues with that...

my setup :
pin RJ45 direct from the ISP... then is my Wifi router ... TPLink 740N... which is then wired to my Desktop..

Are you using UDP with encryption?
Did you try without the router?
What is your ISP?
Did you try some well seeded official torrent like ubuntu for example?

edit: Try with utorrent 2.2.1 and set it up like this: (maybe uncheck "allow incoming legacy connections" but only as a last resort)

 

[Dent1]

yes i tried forced encryption .. also i tried RC4 encryption in Vuze...
also is not the issue of seeding ...(i am trying from kickass .. seeder=1500+) ...
uploading is normal... no issues with that...
my setup :
pin RJ45 direct from the ISP... then is my Wifi router ... TPLink 740N... which is then wired to my Desktop..

Did you try contacting your ISP?

Many ISPs have a clause within their contracts which allow them to throttle torrents. It's to stop you from abusing the upstream bandwidth and to avoid any possible legal problems that might land on their door.

I've found the best solution is to reduce the amount of inbound connections and reduce your maximum amount of simultaneous downloads. Then reduce the sharing upstream to as low as possible, whilst still being fair.

This works for me in Utorent.

 

[jboydgolfer]

as a not so great fix.....disabling, and enabling your adapter while the torrent is active, weather LAN, or Wireless will allow another speed pup....but only until the throtle startys again, but that should work unless the files are large.

 

[newtekie1]

then is my Wifi router ... TPLink 740N

That very well may be your issue, that router is a very inexpensive model and only has 8MB of RAM. It is very likely that the amount of connections uTorrent is generating is overloading the router.

 

[Nabarun]

Could be a firewall issue too. In any case, may be you would like one of us to take a look into it via TeamViewer.

 

[alivehunter]

Are you using UDP with encryption?
Did you try without the router?
What is your ISP?
Did you try some well seeded official torrent like ubuntu for example?

edit: Try with utorrent 2.2.1 and set it up like this: (maybe uncheck "allow incoming legacy connections" but only as a last resort)
View attachment 64042

tried this with Utorrent 2.2.1..
within 4 mins of adding the torrent the speed went to zero.
speed graph attached....

Also tried by re-starting the router.. but of not use... after restarted .. upload speed gained the normal speed .. but download remained to zero or less than 10 kBps.

I have tried torrents from various website ... having 1000+ seeds..
also a friend downloading the same torrent is getting good speed..

Never the less, I too get a good speed .. if I stop the torrent and start after 4 to 5 hrs...

Could be a firewall issue too. In any case, may be you would like one of us to take a look into it via TeamViewer.

sure ... would be of great help..!!

That very well may be your issue, that router is a very inexpensive model and only has 8MB of RAM. It is very likely that the amount of connections uTorrent is generating is overloading the router.

router us TP link TL-WR740N with 32 MB RAM and 8 MB Flash

as a not so great fix.....disabling, and enabling your adapter while the torrent is active, weather LAN, or Wireless will allow another speed pup....but only until the throtle startys again, but that should work unless the files are large.

tried this ... worked for the first time ...
but no luck after that

after restarting the after 30 min...
immediately after restarted it reached the speed of 950kBps and then dropped to zero... within 2 mins...

 

[Ahhzz]

That very well may be your issue, that router is a very inexpensive model and only has 8MB of RAM. It is very likely that the amount of connections uTorrent is generating is overloading the router.

I'm with @newtekie1 on this one. There's a lot of things that could be causing it, but I've seen time and time again tons of issues with a sub-par router. How much luck would you have getting another router to try? Do you have a second one, or someone you could borrow one from?

 

[alivehunter]

I'm with @newtekie1 on this one. There's a lot of things that could be causing it, but I've seen time and time again tons of issues with a sub-par router. How much luck would you have getting another router to try? Do you have a second one, or someone you could borrow one from?

When in that case i will try to connect the (RJ45) cable direct to my desktop ... eliminating my TP Link router..
will post the feedback then..
thanks for your inputs...

 

[Jetster]

Restart your router when it slows. If it works after then get a better router

Where do you live? Some ISP do still throttle torrents

 

[Ikaruga]

We still don't know your ISP, there might be relevant info online about the ISP in question.

It's not easy to "see" into the stream if you are encrypting it with the header as well, so it might be a trigger. Try limiting the bandwidth to half of your connection's speed as a test ("Bandwidth" tab in utorrent 2.1.1's preferences), and/or also try limiting to a low number of connections (on the same tab). Experiement with very low numbers, like 16-64 max connections, and increase only if the speed you are getting (during the fast start period) is too slow because of the low number of incoming seeds.

Also if you get a slowdown on a port, you might want to shuffle it to a a different port with the next try (utorrent can do this for you automatically)

 

[Jetster]

If your using sites like PB then you may have a Trojan or malware that could be causing the problem

 

[dorsetknob]

Do you have "a Friend" with broadband (same or preferably different ISP )
You may try your Pc on his connection to see what the results are
Take a Case of beer with you to drink with him ( it helps )
Test First with your PC and His Router
Drink 2 to 3 cans of beer to pass the time
then test with your PC and Router
Drink more beer
get back to us with the results

edit
try not to multi post the mods frown on this practice edit your posts together

 

[alivehunter]

Restart your router when it slows. If it works after then get a better router

Where do you live? Some ISP do still throttle torrents

well the other fact is .. some torrents do give me full speed all the times ....
even when the other torrent speed dies down ... these torrents do give me full speed all the time.

Also my fiend in the same locality .. using the same IPS .. is also facing similar issue .. and he is Belkin router...

so my feeling to that is ... may router may not be the culprit ...
anyways ... I will check by directly connecting to the desktop eliminating the router...

I am from Malad, Mumbai ... ISP is Pacenet Broadband (www.pacenet-india.com)

 

[Ikaruga]

well the other fact is .. some torrents do give me full speed all the times ....
even when the other torrent speed dies down ... these torrents do give me full speed all the time.

If you are getting full speeds with some of the torrents, it's not your connection. It still can be the router, but you can test that.
There might be fake peers from your ISP or from other ISPs along the route who trigger a throttle if they see such connections from an IP, you can look for a blacklist of those perhaps.
Or maybe the slow torrents are simply Overseas or in Europe and they are getting throttled far away from you.
Check what countries the peers of the fast torrents are from , maybe you only get good speeds if someone is seeding from the same country and/or ISP.

 

[Jetster]

You do realize not all torrents are healthy

If some torrents run okay then they are not throttling you

 

[alivehunter]

You do realize not all torrents are healthy

If some torrents run okay then they are not throttling you

right Jetster...

but I am sure the one i am talking about is surly healthy..

may be someone can connect to my system to check ....

should i post the link of the torrent in question ??? will this be okay .. forum admin ??

 

[95Viper]

You could try these tests, they may give you some more insight into where about the problem lies:

Glasnost
Glasnost attempts to detect whether your Internet access provider is performing application-specific traffic shaping. You can test if your ISP is throttling or blocking email, HTTP, SSH, Flash video, and P2P apps including BitTorrent, eMule and Gnutella.

Neubot
Neubot (the network neutrality bot) is a free-software Internet bot, developed and maintained by the Nexa Center for Internet and Society, that gathers network performance data useful to investigate network neutrality. Once installed, it runs in the background and periodically performs active transmission tests with M-Lab servers. Three tests are currently implemented: `speedtest', that emulates HTTP; `bittorrent', that emulates BitTorrent; and `raw`, that performs a raw TCP test.

Shaperprobe
ShaperProbe detects whether your ISP performs traffic shaping. Traffic shaping means that your ISP automatically drops your access rate after you have downloaded or uploaded a certain number of bytes. ShaperProbe detects whether traffic shaping is used in either the upload or download directions, and in that case that it is used, ShaperProbe reports the shaping rate and the maximum burst size before shaping begins.

 

[Dent1]

right Jetster...

but I am sure the one i am talking about is surly healthy..

may be someone can connect to my system to check ....

should i post the link of the torrent in question ??? will this be okay .. forum admin ??

Post the link if its a "legal" torrent for legitimate software (freeware, open source, public domain software, Demo, Beta)

You can't post warez or stolen software.

 

[Aquinus]

Post the link if its a "legal" torrent for legitimate software (freeware, open source, public domain software, Demo, Beta)

You can't post warez or stolen software.

We can help the OP out if he tests using something like a torrent for Ubuntu. The Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit LTS torrent would be a good place to start to keep this endeavour "legal".
http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.2/ubuntu-14.04.2-server-amd64.iso.torrent

If it occurs with this torrent, I can say it's either the OP's internet or router. If it does not occur, there is probably something wrong with the other torrent the op is downloading, maybe there are no seeds and its downloading only the parts that other peers have before stopping because no one has the remaining parts.

 

[alivehunter]

You could try these tests, they may give you some more insight into where about the problem lies:

Glasnost
Glasnost attempts to detect whether your Internet access provider is performing application-specific traffic shaping. You can test if your ISP is throttling or blocking email, HTTP, SSH, Flash video, and P2P apps including BitTorrent, eMule and Gnutella.

Neubot
Neubot (the network neutrality bot) is a free-software Internet bot, developed and maintained by the Nexa Center for Internet and Society, that gathers network performance data useful to investigate network neutrality. Once installed, it runs in the background and periodically performs active transmission tests with M-Lab servers. Three tests are currently implemented: `speedtest', that emulates HTTP; `bittorrent', that emulates BitTorrent; and `raw`, that performs a raw TCP test.

Shaperprobe
ShaperProbe detects whether your ISP performs traffic shaping. Traffic shaping means that your ISP automatically drops your access rate after you have downloaded or uploaded a certain number of bytes. ShaperProbe detects whether traffic shaping is used in either the upload or download directions, and in that case that it is used, ShaperProbe reports the shaping rate and the maximum burst size before shaping begins.

UPDATE: I removed the router and directly connected cable to desktop...
still the same issue.

Wht to do? its very irritating ..