Dark Rock 3 (Not pro) + Corsair 450D

[FiiLeTe]

PSU is 300 watts too big. Forgot that you might SLI
i5-4690k is basically the same price but has the better TIM and higher stock clocks.

I bought that PSU because i had lots of problems with XFX and Corsair, so i wanted a reliable one with no reports of problems, i wanted the V700 but they told me it was going to be removed from the market so i went a bit more future proof in case i want SLI or CF someday and all extra stuff i can get.

I have this 4670K since 2013, the only new things are the ones that say "Coming" , all the rest i had before.

 

[FiiLeTe]

Btw guys, i'm going to change the thermal paste of my CPU when i get the new cooler tomorrow. Is there a best guide on how to do it? And how to install the cooler too?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Is there a best guide on how to do it?

There are too many. The main thing is as thin as possible. I snip the end off a plastic shaft cotton swap (Q-Tip) and then bend the cut end over to form my application device into the shape of a hockey stick. Then use that to spread a small drop (no bigger than a grain of rice) over the CPU die like spreading icing on a cake. Make you clean the mating surfaces thoroughly first. I use 91% Isopropyl alcohol, then a quick blast from a can of dusting gas.

 

[FiiLeTe]

So, i just finished building up my PC, new cooler etc. But i got 37-40º temps on idle and the max he goes in intelburntest it's 84º . I believe something is not good, maybe the thermal paste is not well applied... The cooler is well fixed, he doesn't move a inch so i think it's the thermal paste ..

 

[sneekypeet]

did you remove the layer of plastic from under the base of the cooler?

 

[FiiLeTe]

Yes i did. It was the first thing i did before installing the cooler. I'm pretty sure that the problem is the thermal paste because i took like one hour to install the cooler after the thermal paste was applied, it was really hard to install it. I had to install and remove it some times so yeah the thermal paste pretty sure was getting lost during all those tries.

 

[FiiLeTe]

My temps:

The max temps was using intelburntest.

And btw, i placed the thermal paste in 5 places just like this guy did mins 9:45.

 

[FiiLeTe]

Tried changing the thermal paste uninstalling the cooler and pasting more correctly , and i still get those temps on the CPU. Nobody can help me please? May it be some problem with the CPU or something?

P.S. The funny thing is that in BIOS, it tells me that my CPU is on 27º C.

 

[sneekypeet]

Two things....
1.2V is a bit high compared to mine for stock, so idle temperatures could be a tad warm.
On the flip side of that coin, you are using IBT, which is the most extreme test on the market! Of course load temps are going to be super high.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Your temps are fine. IMO, you are abusing your system by running IBT. Note they claim IBT temps can be 20°C higher than Prime95. Those tests are NOT realistic scenarios. They are not even realistic extreme scenarios. Note too that running SLI does not add any significant load on your CPU. Running SLI just means your CPU can hand off tasks to your graphics solution faster, and it does not take any CPU horsepower to hand off tasks.

Finally, I am not a fan of the 5 dot TIM installation method he used because it assumes the TIM will then spread out evenly due to heat and the pressures applied by the cooler's mounting mechanism. I might use 5 dots, but then I would spread the TIM evenly across the die before mounting the HSF.

 

[FiiLeTe]

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1.2V is a bit high compared to mine for stock, so idle temperatures could be a tad warm.

I'm using BIOS optimized settings, so i have turbo boost activated. Is that that makes my voltage being a hit high and making high running at high temps in stock and idle? BIOS default configs can not be the best ...

Your temps are fine. IMO, you are abusing your system by running IBT. Note they claim IBT temps can be 20°C higher than Prime95. Those tests are NOT realistic scenarios. They are not even realistic extreme scenarios. Note too that running SLI does not add any significant load on your CPU. Running SLI just means your CPU can hand off tasks to your graphics solution faster, and it does not take any CPU horsepower to hand off tasks.

Finally, I am not a fan of the 5 dot TIM installation method he used because it assumes the TIM will then spread out evenly due to heat and the pressures applied by the cooler's mounting mechanism. I might use 5 dots, but then I would spread the TIM evenly across the die before mounting the HSF.

Yeah i know, i just runned the test like 3 times to check the temps. But like i said, can this be a BIOS setting that makes my CPU running a bit hot in idle? I don't have any OC on the CPU except the turbo mode on..

 

[Bill_Bright]

The funny thing is that in BIOS, it tells me that my CPU is on 27º C.
can this be a BIOS setting that makes my CPU running a bit hot in idle?

It is not running hot in idle. 40°C (as shown in HWMonitor) is not hot! That's barely above ambient (room) temperature. If it was hot, your CPU fan would be spinning full speed. But it's not! It is barely spinning at just 410 - 490rpm.

And understand that running the BIOS Setup Menu is the LEAST demanding task you can ask of your computer. Only the most basic drivers built into the BIOS are running to enable only most basic features.

So seriously, YOU need to chill! Your computer is (pun intended).

 

[FiiLeTe]

Sorry but i got scared because in all the reviews it says with this cooler the idle temps are around 28º and mine is at 39-40º that's why i got in panic a bit.

 

[sneekypeet]

It is not running hot in idle. 40°C (as shown in HWMonitor) is not hot! That's barely above ambient (room) temperature.

I assume you are at his house.....40C is seriously hot for an ambient temperature! If my office were 40C all the time I'd move to Alaska.

@FiiLeTe ....you can listen to Bill and ignore the obvious, or you can ignore him as you should do, and we can start to get your rig fine tuned

 

[FiiLeTe]

Well, please help then i will be ideas opened . Since i believe this is very hot and not normal for this high perfomance cooler. Do you need my contact or something to help me out ?

 

[sneekypeet]

Well, please help then i will be ideas opened . Since i believe this is very hot and not normal for this high perfomance cooler. Do you need my contact or something to help me out ?

No need for special means of contact, just making sure you were still good to go and not put off.
Now as I see it in that chart, I have to assume ambient temps are somewhere in the 22-25C range. I see 23C as the lowest temps shown in the image above. On any cooler pretty much, when I am at idle and the office is 23.5-24.5C my results do not lead me past 30C, unless it is complete poop or way undersized for the 4770K I test with.

The plan here is that while BIOS defaults are a good place to start, remember, the board has to boot ANY proc, so that voltage isn't exactly the best for the chip. At this point I would simply start to lower that CPU voltage until the processor becomes unstable. Once that happens, raise the voltage slightly until stability in testing is regained. My guess is you should be able to get that down to 1V or less for day to day at stock voltage. Also I would use something like Prime95 or AIDA64 CPU testing to get results and not use IBT any longer.

In my opinion, you are just dumping excess voltage into the chip, which is turning right into heat as displayed in your 40C idle reading.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I assume you are at his house.....40C is seriously hot for an ambient temperature!

Nobody said 40°C was the ambient.

or you can ignore him as you should do

That's uncalled for and totally unprofessional.

Since when is 40°C for a CPU temp too high?

 

[FiiLeTe]

No need for special means of contact, just making sure you were still good to go and not put off.
Now as I see it in that chart, I have to assume ambient temps are somewhere in the 22-25C range. I see 23C as the lowest temps shown in the image above. On any cooler pretty much, when I am at idle and the office is 23.5-24.5C my results do not lead me past 30C, unless it is complete poop or way undersized for the 4770K I test with.

The plan here is that while BIOS defaults are a good place to start, remember, the board has to boot ANY proc, so that voltage isn't exactly the best for the chip. At this point I would simply start to lower that CPU voltage until the processor becomes unstable. Once that happens, raise the voltage slightly until stability in testing is regained. My guess is you should be able to get that down to 1V or less for day to day at stock voltage. Also I would use something like Prime95 or AIDA64 CPU testing to get results and not use IBT any longer.

In my opinion, you are just dumping excess voltage into the chip, which is turning right into heat as displayed in your 40C idle reading.

So it's for sure the BIOS configs i have (wich are the default optimized ones) , how can i lower this since i don't understand a bit of this voltage stuff things lol

 

[sneekypeet]

Nobody said 40°C was the ambient.
That's uncalled for and totally unprofessional.

Since when is 40°C for a CPU temp too high?

You said and I quote.... "That's barely above ambient (room) temperature"

Also I am not a professional here, I do not get paid for my input, and also 40C is too hot when anyone who has played around with these chips, and tested hotter CPUs on that same cooler knows that it should idle a degree or two above ambient!

@FiiLeTe Go to Extreme Tweaker.... you may have to scroll down in that menu and look for the CPU voltage line. Went to youtube and saw it in your bios at about 3:55 in this video....

At that point either use the - key to lower the value, or you can use the numbers on the keyboard to directly enter the voltage. Lower it a bit at a time and test. You could go right to 1V but lowering it slowly usually will show instability when it happens rather than having to guess where between say 0.90V and 1.2V you have now is the right spot

 

[Bill_Bright]

You are right! Your personal attacks and insults demonstrate you clearly are not a professional. Thanks for admitting that. And yes, when talking about a CPU with the fan spinning less than 500rpm, 104°F is barely warm. It is not too hot, it is not even hot. 40°C is barely warm! If it were coffee, you would spit it out and claim it was cold. And that 40°C was actually the high of his minimums and current temps.

I don't get paid for my input either, but you can follow the link in my sig to see if I might have some experience in electronics hardware support. And as noted by the last line in my sig, I take heat seriously.

Unless you have the exact same CPU, exact same cooler, exact same motherboard, voltages and timings, exact same case and fan configuration, same drives, PSU and cable management, and the exact same programs running and exact same ambient temps, your examples mean nothing in terms of suggesting what FilLete should be getting.

And when sitting at the Windows desktop, there is no such thing as idle - except for the user.

As I said 5 days ago in post #18, it is the case's job to supply a sufficient supply of cool air. And according to the OP's HWMonitor screen shot, that case is doing its job well.

@FiiLeTe - Sneekypeet is fueling your paranoia! The fact your CPU was still stable at 86°C when highly taxed by IBT proves that! And when you, the user was idle, your CPU fan was barely spinning and then your CPU maxed out at "just" 40°C. There are many who would envy those cool temps.

There is nothing wrong with 40°C! Can you get it lower? Sure, but even if you get it down to 30°C, your system will NOT perform better, it will NOT be more stable, and your CPU will not have a longer life. All that gets you is bragging rights. If anyone tells you otherwise, they don't know electronics. Period.

 

[sneekypeet]

There is nothing wrong with 40°C! Can you get it lower? Sure, but even if you get it down to 30°C, your system will NOT perform better, it will NOT be more stable, and your CPU will not have a longer life. All that gets you is bragging rights. If anyone tells you otherwise, they don't know electronics. Period.

This, this, and this.....
The point of TPU is to help those achieve what THEY want, not to impose that YOU believe it is fine. I guess saying to ignore you since you were not helping in that path has caused you much butthurt. I for one just want it all to go away so that FiiLeTe can have what he wants. Instead you are now throwing your weight around like you are some sort of magical PC guru. Look. we all have opinions, and nobody said yours were wrong, they just don't help the situation here. Please move along now and either help the OP or find another thread to try to impose your will in. Thanks!

 

[FiiLeTe]

Guys please don't create a war for this, just don't because you are making me feel in who should i really believe in because both theories make sense to me ...

This has lead me to a question.... I have my CPU running at high voltage with 40º in idle situation, so this means if i Overclock it a bit around 4.2ghz or something, my temps won't go higher because i'm already running at high voltage that leaves me room for OC my CPU or am i wrong with this ?

 

[sneekypeet]

Guys please don't create a war for this, just don't because you are making me feel in who should i really believe in because both theories make sense to me ...

This has lead me to a question.... I have my CPU running at high voltage with 40º in idle situation, so this means if i Overclock it a bit around 4.2ghz or something, my temps won't go higher because i'm already running at high voltage that leaves me room for OC my CPU or am i wrong with this ?

Im not creating war, I'm just explaining my "Paranoia"

When OCing you will have to likely raise volts at a certain point, but keep in mind, there usually is a bit of "free" overclocking where voltages wont need changed, but heat will still increase in load scenarios. Idle should still be the same. Also I assume you did not disable speed step or anything and the CPU is downclocking when idle?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Impose my will? Wrong! I am ensuring the readers have the true facts so they can make informed decisions that are best for them. And the fact is 40°C is perfectly fine and NOT hot, but safe and well within "normal operating range" of the CPU - contrary to what YOU are trying to impose on the OP.

So you are staff here, you get to criticize and insult to impose your will and have your say. So be it. The OP has the facts to make an informed decision. That is my goal. So I will "move along".

 

[FiiLeTe]

Im not creating war, I'm just explaining my "Paranoia"

When OCing you will have to likely raise volts at a certain point, but keep in mind, there usually is a bit of "free" overclocking where voltages wont need changed, but heat will still increase in load scenarios. Idle should still be the same. Also I assume you did not disable speed step or anything and the CPU is downclocking when idle?

Impose my will? Wrong! I am ensuring the readers have the true facts so they can make informed decisions that are best for them. And the fact is 40°C is perfectly fine and NOT hot, but safe and well within "normal operating range" of the CPU - contrary to what YOU are trying to impose on the OP.

So you are staff here, you get to criticize and insult to impose your will and have your say. So be it. The OP has the facts to make an informed decision. That is my goal. So I will "move along".

My question goes for both since you guys are both helping me a lot:

No, my CPU is running at 3.8ghz even at idle, should i disable this?
Should i try to OC my CPU with this current voltage ? I mean, it should be easy to get it to 4.2ghz at least without raising the temps at this voltage.