Audi have successfully made diesel fuel from carbon dioxide and water

[dorsetknob]

Also your McDonalds french fries Deep Fat fryer Oil

 

[dorsetknob]

@rtwjunkie

NO i was thinking Colloquial English insult Slang

Name Association Lateral thinking

Spoiler: you want to look

Spoiler: are you sure

Gert WANKER as in BIG/ large WANKER

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Don't forget waste oil.

I don't think that finds its way to the market so EIA's prices reflect mostly what is made from soybeans. I'm sure biodiesel made from waste vegetable oil is much cheaper per gallon to produce than the market value of biodiesel because waste oil can often be obtained for free or close to it. When we look at the bigger energy picture, the amount of biodiesel produced from waste oil is very insignificant. In terms of mass production, EIA's figure is far more telling.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Oh yes, I GOT it if I was speaking as colloquial English. But being of German ancestry, as well as speaking German in addition to English, I immediately look at her name not as Wanker, but as Vonka (which is how it's pronounced).

So a name all depends on someone's background as to what they see (Cultural Relativism).

 

[Caring1]

there was this Moderator called Ivor Biggun who took offense at people smirking when ever his name was mentioned
His main Culprits were Patrick fitzmichael and Michael fitzpatrick who forever claimed that they were not Gay.


Are You ANY good at Lateral thinking ?

May be its an English thing

Apart from him being a Wanka too, I noticed he is a Professor at a University, I wonder if those kickbacks include him on Audi's payroll to assist in the research and development?

 

[Caring1]

Oh yes, I GOT it if I was speaking as colloquial English. But being of German ancestry, as well as speaking German in addition to English, I immediately look at her name not as Wanker, but as Vonka (which is how it's pronounced).

So a name all depends on someone's background as to what they see (Cultural Relativism).

That's even worse, now that made me think of Willy Vonka

 

[Steevo]

Great idea, use "renewable unreliable" energy to extract carbon from the air to make it go back into the air in a less efficient storage method than batteries!!!!!

On that note Germany has increased its emissions significantly since becoming "green" due to a massive coal use to make up for base load that the "renewable" is unable to produce reliably, and since everyone wants their lights to turn on, and hospitals to run, and food to not spoil.....

 

[MxPhenom 216]

there seem to basic errors in the text above


""to split water into oxygen and pure hydrogen, using a process known as electrolysis""

There Corrected that for you

Further thought

This seems like it is a waste of Time why pursue this (Patent and patent ip Royalties)
when by The first step involves harvesting renewable energy from sources such as wind, solar and hydropower. They then use this energy to split water into oxygen and pure hydrogen

"""Stop there """ that is a clean eco source of Fuel why waste time and energy going further

develop proper Hydrogen Powered /fueled Vehicles

STFU

 

[xvi]

First thing I thought when I saw this was the efficiency. It takes energy to create the synth diesel. When all is said and done, how much energy is lost? Audi is obviously trying to shoot down that argument by saying they're using renewable energy, sources, but I doubt they'd be able to scale it up much higher than their current lab experiment. As Steevo hinted at, if they ramp up production, the only feasible way to provide the energy needed to create the diesel in the first place would be with something environmentally unfriendly.

In the end, the pollution to get the energy to create the diesel would likely be more than the pollution from running standard diesel in the first place.

 

[DinaAngel]

this isnt anything new, the only thing they changed was adding more production delay with h20 instead of oxygen.
it isnt allowed to produce fuel from oxygen in the air, but oxygen in water is fine law wise.

using co2 and oxygen to make fuel is old but illegal.

the best option is hydro carbonate
when hydrogen gas comes up from deep ocean bed it gets compressed due to the pressure and it becomes this goo slimy substance. it burns just as good as normal hydrogen

 

[dorsetknob]

he best option is hydro carbonate
when hydrogen gas comes up from deep ocean bed it gets compressed due to the pressure and it becomes this goo slimy substance. it burns just as good as normal hydrogen

think your confusing hydrogen with Methane and Gas expands as pressure Decrease's

That is Basic junior high school Science

What is Methane Hydrate?


Methane hydrate is a crystalline solid that consists of a methane molecule surrounded by a cage of interlocking water molecules . Methane hydrate is an "ice" that only occurs naturally in subsurface deposits where temperature and pressure conditions are favorable for its formation.

 

[dorsetknob]

That's even worse, now that made me think of Willy Vonka

Shit Now I;m thinking 'Allo 'Allo!

Spoiler: Warning Funny Video may offend some people

 

[DinaAngel]

think your confusing hydrogen with Methane and Gas expands as pressure Decrease's

That is Basic junior high school Science

What is Methane Hydrate?


Methane hydrate is a crystalline solid that consists of a methane molecule surrounded by a cage of interlocking water molecules . Methane hydrate is an "ice" that only occurs naturally in subsurface deposits where temperature and pressure conditions are favorable for its formation.

no i meant hydro carbonate, its gray and its very gel like. at around 1000 meters or lower u find that it forms at gas outlets, iv considered doing a fab for it as the tech is there but nah its too early

 

[Aquinus]

Interesting. With respect to the energy cost problem, I would suggest a modern high temperature nuclear reactor using a thermochemical cycle to produce free hydrogen and oxygen which in theory has efficiencies as high as 50%. The issue with electrolysis is that it consumes a lot of electricity to produce a relatively small amount of hydrogen where a properly designed nuclear power plant could not only produce the gasses you need in sizable quantities but, could also produce electricity at the same time. Also the argument for solar is two sided. If a panel lasts you for a decade, then you really need to consider the cost of the panel versus the total output over the course of the panel's life. It's not that solar is expensive, it takes a long time to pay off, so the up front cost after 2 years is a lot greater than after 5 years. This isn't to say solar shouldn't be cheaper, but that for a long term project, it may be a reasonable investment. Also we're using the term "solar" very badly, when I say solar I mean photovoltaic cells. Thermal solar power is a different story because it can produce temperatures high enough where a thermochemical cycle could be considered to produce hydrogen and oxygen, but once again, there is nothing that can provide the kind of thermal output like a nuclear reaction can.

Either way, this all sounds neat, but I would prefer efficient methods of producing the gasses required.

 

[dorsetknob]

let us know when you start
So we can Run for the hills
your concept of Science is still inadequate

as in

gas comes up from deep ocean bed it gets compressed due to the pressure

In this Universe and reality you compress /chill /pressurize gas to turn it into a Liquid /solid.
To return Liquid / solid to Gas you Heat /depressurize /decompress

Substances being brought up From deep Ocean go through a state of De pressurization and therfore degass

 

[Caring1]

Substances being brought up From deep Ocean go through a state of De pressurization and therfore degass

This^
Compressed gas is generally a liquid, unless compressed in to a solid.
Once pressure decreases, it liquifies before returning to its gaseous state.

 

[dorsetknob]

Compressed gas is generally a liquid, unless compressed in to a solid.
Once pressure decreases, it liquifies before returning to its gaseous state

Thanks for the Scientific peer review

 

[Caring1]

Doffs cap

 

[Aquinus]

This^
Compressed gas is generally a liquid, unless compressed in to a solid.
Once pressure decreases, it liquifies before returning to its gaseous state.

Yes but, gases at the bottom of the ocean aren't liquid, it may be dissolved, which is a very different thing than liquid oxygen, nitrogen, or solid CO2.

Lets say for the sake of argument that oxygen did in fact under some radical thermodynamic process in which you had free liquid oxygen. First problem is that liquid STP (standard temperature and pressure) gases evaporate at very low temperatures which the ocean floor doesn't offer. If liquid oxygen was every in contact with liquid water, regardless of temperature, it would freeze instantly while some of the oxygen is converted (depending on quantity, violently due to the expansion ratio of more STP gases) into a gas. The second problem is that liquid oxygen has a higher density than water, so even if you ignore thermodynamics, oxygen would sink to the bottom of the ocean, not float to the top, which we know doesn't happen.

I just wanted to be 100% clear on this because you can't compare two different branches of physics where two very different things are happening. The ocean doesn't work like an air conditioner.
Simple fact is that dissolved gases are not the same as liquid gases (O, N, CO2, etc).

The reason gas may be released is because of fluctuations in water temperature, pressure, and salinity. The ocean is simply a solvent for oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, and other STP gases. For those of you who have forgotten their chemistry, water is polar molecule. It does some weird things with... well, just about everything.

 

[Steevo]

no i meant hydro carbonate, its gray and its very gel like. at around 1000 meters or lower u find that it forms at gas outlets, iv considered doing a fab for it as the tech is there but nah its too early

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hydrocarbonate

What sort of quackery are you on about?

very gel like and its grey...... I think you are confusing whale ejaculate with something that is not real.

 

[dorsetknob]

@Steevo

Thanks for the Second Scientific peer review

re

very gel like and its grey...... I think you are confusing whale ejaculate with something that is not real.

who's been Skinny Dipping at the beach with porno mags @DinaAngel