Is the internet on the brink of collapse?

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Wow, talk about FUD ...

could be....or it could be an interesting topic for discussion and learning. The Royal Society has always been a very respected institution.

 

[DinaAngel]

The last cable laid under the Pacific cost $ 300 million

https://www.telegeography.com/

Yeah and it costs up to a billion to just do Roads. 300 million would cover like 4 miles of road

 

[DinaAngel]

I wish norway would do theyr own cable to the uk. Btw good night

 

[Solaris17]

internet goes down reboot DHCP server problem solved.

 

[dorsetknob]

internet goes down reboot DHCP server problem solved.

Internet got a Virus Nuke DC "" Sounds better ""

awh you edited

 

[dorsetknob]

I wish norway would do theyr own cable to the uk. Btw good night

Its under construction

HVDC Norway–Great Britain

They Just got to sort out the power line kit for Networking

 

[twilyth]

I wonder if any of the mux'ing protocols use circular polarization yet. If not, that should be good for at least an order of magnitude increase.

Anyway, porn built the internet so it's really just a matter of coming up with the next big porn fetish. My vote goes to shokushu goukan.

 

[remixedcat]

it will if people won't stop using windows vista, realplayer, IE, and netscrape buttigator!

 

[hat]

Must be all the cat videos on youtube. Hopefully h.265 becomes standard soon so we can all experience more HD cat videos at a fraction of the bandwidth.

 

[twilyth]

Must be all the cat videos on youtube. Hopefully h.265 becomes standard soon so we can all experience more HD cat videos at a fraction of the bandwidth.

You laugh but there's a show on Animal Planet called "America's next cat star" - sort of like "Next top model" from what I can tell.

edit - not that I watch such things (meaning next top model - of course. )

 

[vega22]

The guys doing the work 100ms from my house.....very rural remote West Wales. Only 800 people live in my village.

dude you're the 1st person i have bumped into outside a city who has(is) been upgraded so far. only been doing it for 2 years now?

 

[Vayra86]

I am not really worried about this problem. The economical damage would be tremendous, so there is bound to be a solution in time.

 

[dorsetknob]

The guys doing the work 100ms from my house.....very rural remote West Wales. Only 800 people live in my village.

And the Village's name is Royston Vasey

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK, shops in " The "Local Shop "

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

And the Village's name is Royston Vasey

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK, shops in " The "Local Shop "

Wrong village

Spoiler

wrong shop too. but as you can see, i am quite relaxed when i am out shopping. I take it all in my stride

 

[Debat0r]

I think you're exaggerating the problem a lot.
Also:

The last cable laid under the Pacific cost $ 300 million

Big deal. One cable company made a profit of almost $500 million last year, which was a year in which it wasn't doing all that well.
You're not telling me that we can't afford to lay cables like this.
Source

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I think you're exaggerating the problem a lot.
Also:

Big deal. One cable company made a profit of almost $500 million last year, which was a year in which it wasn't doing all that well.
You're not telling me that we can't afford to lay cables like this.
Source

Noone is saying that laying cables is the hard part, i know we are talking millions but on the scale of things it is nothing. I think $ 300 mill is a drop in the ocean for a subaquatic cable that crosses the Pacific.

what @Aquinus said i think is more of an issue

I think that comes down the the same argument as the cabling though. If they really run out of switching capacity it means that they need to segment their network more and add more routers at different parts of the network. It's the same argument with bandwidth and DOCSIS. You can provide 1Gbps on DOCSIS 3.x, the question is how many more nodes and intermediate switches will need to be added to accommodate the load. Network traffic, even more so on tier 1 and 2 networks, tend to be designed in a way to can scale horizontally if they were to decide to build their network up. Although any upgrades cost money and in a capitalistic society where ISPs have a chokehold on certain markets, there isn't a whole lot of incentive. That's the big problem IMHO.

The only down side might be (slightly) increased latency due to more routers and hops across the internet, but I would happily give up 7ms and 115Mbps to get 11-13ms and 300Mbps, but that's me.

 

[dorsetknob]

laying Cables is Just as difficult now as it was at the end of the 19 century / start of the 20 century when Britain started to Cable the World ( FOR the EMPIRE ).
Same Problems Exist. often Still the same solution works.

when you consider the alternative is Space orientated ie Satellite uplink/downlink that in itself has its own problems

Ground links/cables are still the preferred choice Maintenance is cheaper and easyer

One CME hitting those Satellites and their totaly fried maneuvering fuel only lasts a few years

If a Satellite fails you just have to launch a replacement (if you can find a clear orbit)
Cable you can repair
Cable will last Decades longer than Satellite

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

laying Cables is Just as difficult now as it was at the end of the 19 century / start of the 20 century when Britain started to Cable the World ( FOR the EMPIRE ).
Same Problems Exist. often Still the same solution works.

when you consider the alternative is Space orientated ie Satellite uplink/downlink that in itself has its own problems

Ground links/cables are still the preferred choice Maintenance is cheaper and easyer

One CME hitting those Satellites and their totaly fried maneuvering fuel only lasts a few years

If a Satellite fails you just have to launch a replacement (if you can find a clear orbit)
Cable you can repair
Cable will last Decades longer than Satellite

A satellite/cable guy, a friend of mine, visited last night....extolling the virtues of satellite web, excellent up and down speeds, however a ping of more than 400ms makes gaming much too laggy in his opinion. Great for bringing access to remote areas.
he was talking specifically about this village.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrenny


which is a lot closer to "civilisation" than where i live. BT (through cost) will not lay fibre to that village so the locals have bought into a satellite system installed by one inhabitant, i think he said they pay about £ 10.00 month for 10/10 speeds.
The initial installation is expensive but living in a rural idyll is worth more than money in my opinion.

 

[dorsetknob]

Wrong village

Spoiler

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wrong shop too. but as you can see, i am quite relaxed when i am out shopping. I take it all in my stride

I Stand Corrected the Village of Royston Vasey is in the north of England and not Wales

 

[DinaAngel]

A satellite/cable guy, a friend of mine, visited last night....extolling the virtues of satellite web, excellent up and down speeds, however a ping of more than 400ms makes gaming much too laggy in his opinion. Great for bringing access to remote areas.
he was talking specifically about this village.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrenny


which is a lot closer to "civilisation" than where i live. BT (through cost) will not lay fibre to that village so the locals have bought into a satellite system installed by one inhabitant, i think he said they pay about £ 10.00 month for 10/10 speeds.
The initial installation is expensive but living in a rural idyll is worth more than money in my opinion.

Don't get sat internet. The ping lol
Almost better to move to the moon and get sat net.

Nah we Will probably make the moon our wifi planet. Soo strong antennas to beam earth having solar panels on the back side of the moon as its allways directed at the sun.
Servers should be put on the moon so internet capacity problem solved

 

[Nosada]

the back side of the moon as its allways directed at the sun

 

[dorsetknob]

@DinaAngel
Build something like this in orbit / Lagrange point
would be better than on the moon

the back side of the moon as its allways directed at the sun.

that is something of a myth ( nah its blatantly untrue ) Look at some Celestial mechanics for a better idea of the sun lit faces of the moon

Thoughts like what your saying are akin to saying the dark side of the sun (well it must be dark because we only see the light side)

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I dont think the moon will ever be an option

The average distance between the moon's surface and the earth's surface is 380,500 kilometers(km). Light is an electromagnetic wave and travels at a speed roughly 3 x 10^8 meters/second(m/s) in a vacuum. Since distance = speed*time the time it takes for the laser pulse to travel from the the earth to the moon is, time = distance/speed. For round trip time = 2*(distance/speed). So the calculation is: time=2*(38500 x 10^3 m / 3 x 10^8 m/s) = 2.56 s.
Thats one hell of a ping.

The system i mentioned before uses a geostationary satellite at about 23 deg. I did ask my mate for the name of it but he couldnt remember. He did tell me that the guy who bought the system uses it like the wifi hotspots in the early days of www you pay for the password to access his system but the link from his installation to your router is cabled.

 

[dorsetknob]

Lots of places in DEEP Rural America do this as its the only way to get any form of Broadband

Some Rural Towns in America are way to far for the TeLco to bother with broadband or Cable Tv /internet Sometimes even Telephone fixed or Mobile

Our Au buddies have it even worse in the Outback

Yes @CAPSLOCKSTUCK There are worse places than Wales

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

@DinaAngel


Should we build a base on the 'DARK' side of the moon? Esa wants international team to colonise the far side of lunar surface

• Incoming chief Johann-Dietrich Wörner made the comments in Colorado
• He wants a permanent international moon station to succeed the ISS
• And with it on the far side, it could perform key science and experiments
• This includes using lunar resources and observing the universe without interference from Earth

Mr Wörner, who will become Director General of Esa on 30 June, made the comments at the Space Foundation’s National Space Symposium in mid-April in Colorado.
‘It seems to be appropriate to propose a permanent moon station as the successor of ISS,’ he said, reported Space.com.


The moon is tidally locked to Earth, which means that we always see the same face pointing towards our planet.
This means that the far side - often erroneously called the ‘dark’ side of the moon, although both sides receive equal amounts of light - is not in the line of sight of Earth.
If astronauts were to be based there, they would therefore need a system of relay communications satellites to stay in contact with Earth.

@dorsetknob There are worse places than Wales ..... Dorset?