Samsung 840 EVO Issues - slow boot time

[Jborg]

Hey guys....

Recently been having some trouble with my SSD. I updated all MB drivers I could think of... Checked BIOS version.... Everything seems to be updated.

It seems I may be a victim of the Samsung 840 EVO degrading issue I am reading about.

My main issue is that Windows 7 takes about 30 -45 seconds to boot up.... This count is right when the Windows 7 logo stops loading and its in between the Log in screen/ Windows boot....

Originally it was about a 10 seconds start up time....

Now really the only thing I have not done is reinstall windows....

But since I have ran into this issue, I have decided to buy another SSD, however I am unsure about Samsung now..... However I am reading really good things about the 850 Pro.... But open to other options if they are fast.... Looking for a 250g for around 150$ price range if anybody has any suggestions... I picked up a Kingston Fury X but I think im going to return it....

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Have you tried updating the firmware already? All it took was a firmware update to fix (or two in samsung's case) Might save you some cash too!

 

[Jborg]

Have you tried updating the firmware already? All it took was a firmware update to fix (or two in samsung's case) Might save you some cash too!

I did try... However it won't update to the latest firmware. The update fails in Samsung magician. Also tried manually too booting from a ISO file on a usb drive. Just gave me an error. Reading about that firmware it seems it was a limited release to see how it worked for the 840 evos. It looks like Samsung may be releasing some new attempt at a fix soon. ( for the 3rd try )

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9196/samsung-releases-second-840-evo-fix

 

[FreedomEclipse]

go for the 850 pro or an equivalent Crucial SSD of your choice then in that case.

I have an 840 pro and i dont suffer from the same issues at the 840 Evo

 

[Easy Rhino]

Does the 850 EVO have the same problem?

 

[Jborg]

Does the 850 EVO have the same problem?

From what I have gathered its only a select number of 840 evo owners...

the 850 Pro seems to be the highest rated/reviewed



Would this be something I could RMA possibly? It has a 1 year warranty its still within.... however I dont have the original box.... (not sure if I need, never RMA'd anything)

 

[Steevo]

They have a firmware fix and a tool to refresh the drive and restore the speed, its free to download.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2887255/samsung-promises-yet-another-fix-for-slowed-840-evo-ssds.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8617/...e-to-fix-the-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug

I had it start to slow down on mine, ran the update tool and its fixed.

In case you still have issues, run defrag on it and then a checkdisk with both boxes checked and reboot and leave it to run overnight. It will cause the move and rewrite of the data on the drive.

 

[Jborg]

They have a firmware fix and a tool to refresh the drive and restore the speed, its free to download.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2887255/samsung-promises-yet-another-fix-for-slowed-840-evo-ssds.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8617/...e-to-fix-the-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug
I had it start to slow down on mine, ran the update tool and its fixed.
In case you still have issues, run defrag on it and then a checkdisk with both boxes checked and reboot and leave it to run overnight. It will cause the move and rewrite of the data on the drive.

I looked for that thing forever last night...... I can't find where to download that Performance Restoration tool....

The link takes you to: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html

However I don't see it anywhere.

Also reinstalled magician as well.

 

[Steevo]

I have it still, but its too big to upload here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/onm0eym7jkqus6z/Samsung_Performance_Restoration_V11.zip?dl=0

 

[Jborg]

Ill give it a shot when I get home.... Thank you.

 

[Jborg]

So I ran the Restoration program.... Thank you very much for that btw...

The boot time was 34 seconds so it did not change that. (I reinstalled all sata drivers)

Gonna try to reinstall windows.... I am hoping it fixes the booting issue... Otherwise gonna have to wait to see what Samsung releases i guess.

The AS Benchmark seems to actually be where it should be...Guru3d benchmarked it at 824 Its just this dang boot issue.

 

[Steevo]

Run chkdsk and force it to run a defrag on the drive before you go through all that trouble.

 

[yotano211]

I have a 1tb model, is this issue with the other size models too.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I have 2 SanDisk Extremes, 1 Kingston and a Crucial mx100 they are all good drives...
the Kingston was cheap and is a terrific cheap SSD...fast reliable and all that....

The Crucial is better than the Kingston...newer...faster...seems reliable..

But I love my SanDisk's....They are even Gen 1 models....They are 2 years old now and are one of the main reasons I've come to the conclusion that reviewer's are either full of shit or stupid....

I'm kinda laughing at your issue with your Samsung ssd's (no offense)

There was and is way to much hype for Samsung ssd's.....don't get me wrong I like Samsung I'm typing this message on a Samsung phone while eating food cooked on a Samsung stove and wearing clothes washed and dried in a Samsung washer and dryer but Samsung has and will always have stupid issues every single time they have the latest greatest anything...

So yeah...I actually think the 850 would be a good choice but for fucks sakes stay the Hell away from their first (or second) attempt at anything.

 

[zo0lykas]

Hi

What sata connection you have? did you connected to sata3 ? with good cable? maybe your cable is old as santa clouse

and another very importand question did you enable AHCI ?

Regards - Tomas

 

[RCoon]

So I ran the Restoration program.... Thank you very much for that btw...

The boot time was 34 seconds so it did not change that. (I reinstalled all sata drivers)

Gonna try to reinstall windows.... I am hoping it fixes the booting issue... Otherwise gonna have to wait to see what Samsung releases i guess.

The AS Benchmark seems to actually be where it should be...Guru3d benchmarked it at 824 Its just this dang boot issue.

Make sure your drive is plugged into a SATA III 6Gbps port on your motherboard, and not a SATA III 3Gbps port. Also make sure that it's a SATA III port from the chipset, NOT an ASMedia port.
Also, Samsung Magician now comes with the fix bundled in to the software. If you go to the Performance Optimization tab, there should now be a second tab within that menu called Advanced Optimization. That runs the fix for the 840 EVO drives. Just ensure you have the latest firmware.

I have a 1tb model, is this issue with the other size models too.

All EVOs have the issue. Run the firmware update through Magician and run the fix. My problem was solved.

Hi

What sata connection you have? and another very importand question did you enable AHCI ?

^ Useful questions well worth looking into.

 

[Jborg]

Hi

What sata connection you have? did you connected to sata3 ? with good cable? maybe your cable is old as santa clouse

and another very importand question did you enable AHCI ?

Regards - Tomas

Yep I checked that early on.... I swapped the cables to ensure it was not the cable originally.

AHCI is enabled.

Make sure your drive is plugged into a SATA III 6Gbps port on your motherboard, and not a SATA III 3Gbps port. Also make sure that it's a SATA III port from the chipset, NOT an ASMedia port.
Also, Samsung Magician now comes with the fix bundled in to the software. If you go to the Performance Optimization tab, there should now be a second tab within that menu called Advanced Optimization. That runs the fix for the 840 EVO drives. Just ensure you have the latest firmware.

Yeah its plugged into the AMD SATA ports with the latest AMD SATA driver.

I will have to look at Magician a bit closer later....

Thanks again.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Is the PRO version that much faster than the EVO version for gaming? It doesn't seem to justify the price difference based on the benchmarks.

 

[Steevo]

The Pro version was optimized for I-O server applications, plus carried a 5 year warranty. I built a machine with two 512 Pro's in RAID 0 for database and file serving it was amazingly fast.

 

[Easy Rhino]

The Pro version was optimized for I-O server applications, plus carried a 5 year warranty. I built a machine with two 512 Pro's in RAID 0 for database and file serving it was amazingly fast.

cool, so no reason if i am just going to game/derp with it?

 

[Jborg]

The Pro version was optimized for I-O server applications, plus carried a 5 year warranty. I built a machine with two 512 Pro's in RAID 0 for database and file serving it was amazingly fast.

Actually already picked up a 250g 850 PRO

Been itching to get another SSD since I am playing GTA 5 + some other games and cannot install them on my current ssd.

Basically just bought it for the reliabilty/speeds.... and it actually has a 10 year warranty now. So its worth it, at least for me.

Not giving up on the 840 evo yet though...

 

[Steevo]

cool, so no reason if i am just going to game/derp with it?

I would choose the best Price/Performance at the capacity you need and go with that, a few MB here or there doesn't change much on SSD's anymore.

 

[Ruyki]

I just updated one 840 evo to the latest firmware today. This is how you do it:

Download samsung magician 4.6 from samsung site and install it. There is an option to update the firmware in magician software, use it. That fixes it for most people.

If you still have problems, run the advanced performance optimization in magician software, that should rewrite all the files on your drive and completely get rid of any slowdown, at least for the time being.

If you still have problems after that, there is probably something else wrong with your PC.

Also, the 840 evo performance restoration tool is outdated and you don't have to use it anymore.

 

[SetsunaFZero]

Also, the 840 evo performance restoration tool is outdated and you don't have to use it anymore.

it is out of date but it still works. worked for me with the latest firmware, where Samsung claimed they fixed the slow down issue

back to OP issue
if u have more then one sata device then make sure your SSD is connected to SATA port_0 or else the boot time is dammmm high

 

[Jborg]

I just updated one 840 evo to the latest firmware today. This is how you do it:

Download samsung magician 4.6 from samsung site and install it. There is an option to update the firmware in magician software, use it. That fixes it for most people.

If you still have problems, run the advanced performance optimization in magician software, that should rewrite all the files on your drive and completely get rid of any slowdown, at least for the time being.

If you still have problems after that, there is probably something else wrong with your PC.

Also, the 840 evo performance restoration tool is outdated and you don't have to use it anymore.

Discovered that the firmware update does not support AMD SATA drivers.... had to disable AHCI, and run the firmware update with IDE enabled. That firmware update is what adds the advanced tab in magician. Almost done running it.

it is out of date but it still works. worked for me with the latest firmware, where Samsung claimed they fixed the slow down issue

back to OP issue
if u have more then one sata device then make sure your SSD is connected to SATA port_0 or else the boot time is dammmm high

Tried this, however it did not change the boot time.