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I'm trying to play games like far cry 4 and gta5 on ultra settings. At the moment I have 1 Titan gpu and it can't do ultra on either, which is quite disappointing really. Was wondering if anyone thought that doing 2x Titans in Sli might achieve ultra graphics or do you think I might need even more powerful cards in Sli like 3 Titans or 2x Titan x
 

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I thought SLI/XFIRE was pretty much agreed upon as a needed asset for today's more GPU intensive AAA games.
 

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What resolution do you play at? Single cards can't do it even on 1080p?

EDIT: I dunno how much your CPU is holding you back... If any.
 

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What resolution do you play at? Single cards can't do it even on 1080p?

maybe its CPU related though 1366 should be able to handle it.
 

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What resolution do you play at? Single cards can't do it even on 1080p?

EDIT: I dunno how much your CPU is holding you back... If any.

I played FC4 on 1080 ultra settings with 4xAA with no problem at all. And 3200x1800 noAA on ultra.

So maybe that CPU is holding him back umm.
 
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I played FC4 on 1080 ultra settings with 4xAA with no problem at all. And 3200x1800 noAA on ultra.

So maybe that CPU is holding him back umm.
not sure ... a 960 shouldn't be a bottleneck

I play almost ultra on a I7-920 and a 7970 ghz clocks in GTA5
almost is the key ... playing all to Ultra is pointless ... from very high to ultra most of the time nearly no major difference (except in fps reduction :D )

as for my side, FC4 ultra 4xAA no worries playable enough (main rig in the sys specs) GTAV... didn't test ... tho (well i don't like that game :D so it's mostly my fault ;) )

and indeed that would be disappointing that a Titan would not equal a 290 in FC4 Ultra (well i do 1080p only ... ) since they are equal...
 
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This is something I'm not sure about but what if he lowered his resolution to maybe 1600 x 900 and if he didn't get a lot more FPS then wouldn't that prove that his CPU is holding him back?
 
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not sure ... a 960 shouldn't be a bottleneck


almost is the key ... playing all to Ultra is pointless ... from very high to ultra most of the time nearly no major difference (except in fps reduction :D )

as for my side, FC4 ultra 4xAA no worries playable enough (main rig in the sys specs) GTAV... didn't test ... tho (well i don't like that game :D so it's mostly my fault ;) )

and indeed that would be disappointing that a Titan would not equal a 290 in FC4 Ultra (well i do 1080p only ... ) since they are equal...

The difference in GTA5 between very high and Ultra on things like grass, and the few others is very noticeable to me.
 

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not sure ... a 960 shouldn't be a bottleneck


almost is the key ... playing all to Ultra is pointless ... from very high to ultra most of the time nearly no major difference (except in fps reduction :D )

as for my side, FC4 ultra 4xAA no worries playable enough (main rig in the sys specs) GTAV... didn't test ... tho (well i don't like that game :D so it's mostly my fault ;) )

and indeed that would be disappointing that a Titan would not equal a 290 in FC4 Ultra (well i do 1080p only ... ) since they are equal...


Maybe if he disabled SLI he would get better performance, all so isn't there a best driver for FC4 with nVidia ( that's the impression i have been getting with nV drivers lately )
 
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what I don't get is if I have g6b ram in this card and it cost me a hell of a lot of money, £460 to be precise, why can I only run games on what seems at best, medium settings!!!
 
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Check your CPU and GPU usage while gaming. What Titan is yours? Newer one or the one based on the 6 series? I'm not surprised you're disappointed with the card. Overpriced and obsolete in a year.
 

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what I don't get is if I have g6b ram in this card and it cost me a hell of a lot of money, £460 to be precise, why can I only run games on what seems at best, medium settings!!!

Because you are under the impression that ram means something? VRAM is for TEXTURES if the GPU itself cannot handle that many polygons then the game runs slow period.
 
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what I don't get is if I have g6b ram in this card and it cost me a hell of a lot of money, £460 to be precise, why can I only run games on what seems at best, medium settings!!!
install MSI Afterburner get OSD to run and post pics of when you play so we can see your GPU/CPU load if the GPU is at 90-99%.
If it is lower than that your CPU might be a performance bottleneck.
 
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what I don't get is if I have g6b ram in this card and it cost me a hell of a lot of money, £460 to be precise, why can I only run games on what seems at best, medium settings!!!


Because its not a lack of RAM that is causing the issue, its a lack of bandwidth to the RAM and shaders to do the work.

AMD has been pushing the boundary of what we can reasonably expect much better than Nvidia, and don't get me wrong, Nvidia has been pushig the performance for very specific things like tessellation.
The reason the 295 still wins with less Vmem available to each core at 4K is due to better design, more shaders etc...

We are moving to HBM, and even at 4GB I expect it to eat 6, or 8, or 12 GB of GDDR5 for breakfast on high resolutions, and as DX12 is introduced and memory becomes more heterogeneous the expectation for using more than 6-8GB on card will become null.


The real reason all of this matters?

"The card features 6 GB of memory, half that of the GTX Titan X, but at 288 GB/s, the memory bandwidth is the same"

When the memory was overclocked it gained half the performance, but that was tested only at 1080, before the bend of the knee where memory speed becomes more and more critical to deliver the frame to the display without interrupting the data the core needs to render the next frames. In short its a great card, but its only going to do some titles in 4K on Ultra before it runs out of steam, or you can do three screens and eat up more bandwidth, 4K 60Hz takes 12Gbps for each screen, and that has to come out of the vmem and thus chops the bandwidth available to the core down.
 
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what I don't get is if I have g6b ram in this card and it cost me a hell of a lot of money, £460 to be precise, why can I only run games on what seems at best, medium settings!!!

Welcome to the world of gaming. Where the ultra-high-end has an astronomical price premium and only offers some odd 10% more performance than going one tier down the product stack. And where in the vast majority of games that extra 10% really doesn't get you much at all.

Here's my advice:
- Do NOT, I cannot stress this enough, SLI your current Titan. You are CPU bound in many games already.
- Sell your current Titan. It has value as a card that can also do things other than gaming, ie Workstation applications. As a GPU for gaming you will find you will sell it at a price that is too low fwiw.
- Buy a GTX 970, or a GTX 980 if you game at 1080p/1440p. Wait for a 980ti if you game at higher res, or AMD's new baby. If you still feel like you need more, place another card in SLI.
- Start thinking about upgrading motherboard/CPU and go straight to Skylake when it comes out.
- Never again buy a Titan. Ever. Just don't.
- For somewhat cost-effective gaming, 4K is actually a bit too much as of today. It CAN run, but it won't do so without the absolute top end of graphics cards, preferably in SLI. Your Titan does not qualify as such a card.

Some advice for the mind:
- Reconsider what Ultra means, and that gaming on PC is always a balancing trick between stable and fluid gameplay/FPS, and graphical fidelity. No matter how much power you cram into your PC case, there is ALWAYS a tradeoff one way or another. Cost is the first and most primary one. You want to mindlessly put everything on Ultra, that means you will be upgrading every single time a new high end card comes out. Consider whether you want that. Makes for a very costly hobby. Or be sensible and see what the actual difference is between Ultra ultra ultra, and going one step back to enjoy 'virtually Ultra' at playable FPS and much, much lower cost.

- Don't throw hardware at a software problem. That means: don't buy new cards just because one game runs like shit, if you are already at the high end. Because the solution lies in the game, not the GPU. Throwing hardware at software problems actually means you are paying for a developer's laziness or shitty work.
 
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so a gtx 980 would be a better card then. is a 980 faster than a titan?
 
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so a gtx 980 would be a better card then. is a 980 faster than a titan?

Yes! I think youll find its also a much better fit to work with your system, although a 970 would be an even better deal for nearly the 980 performance.
 
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For a second(based on thread title) I thought this was a killer instinct coming to pc thread.
 

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For a second(based on thread title) I thought this was a killer instinct coming to pc thread.

when I first read it I thought this was going to be a thread about Ultra power supplies.
 

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A GTX 980 is faster than a Titan



http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Gaming/25.html

however if it turns out that your CPU is what is holding you back in GTA V and Far Cry 4 then it won't get you what you want. You give me the impression that you want Ultra settings and you are willing to spend the money to get it going by your first post that you would even consider getting two Titan X.

There's plenty of room for a new CPU and motherboard and a high end GPU like maybe the GTX 980 Ti for the cost of a little over one Titan X alone. I would suggest a Skylake CPU when they arrive later this year. That doesn't help you right now but I wouldn't buy Haswell at this point.
 

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If it's a first gen Titan didn't the 780 come out a month later and overclocking it made it faster than the titan? That's why everyone with a titan was pissed and bought a GTX780. I'd sell the titan and buy a 970 or 980, but I'd get the 980 for the full 4gb vram. I'd upgrade the 960 cpu as well, but not until Skylake is available. I'm not saying the i7 960 wouldn't handle it, because it would... I would just for the new features. :toast:
 

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I don't think even a first gen Titan should struggle at 1080p, I don't play those games but I am guessing that they might need a bit of CPU grunt also and whilst I agree the 1st gen i7's are still pretty strong, perhaps at 3.2 gig it's struggling with the throughput, if that is the case (and it's only a guess), then swapping out for a 980 is not going to make a huge difference. I would suggest testing the theory out which does not cost anything..... try overclocking the CPU to see if there is a performance increase, if not then I am talking crap and then the OP can go upgrade his card! :D
 
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I'm not sure I could replace the cpu as I'm not that good at building and that, but there are a couple of 980s going on eBay for £355 each I reckon I get these babies and sell that Titan yeah?
 

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I'm not sure I could replace the cpu as I'm not that good at building and that, but there are a couple of 980s going on eBay for £355 each I reckon I get these babies and sell that Titan yeah?
I would still try overclocking your CPU first as I mentioned above, that's the cost free test, if you don't see a performance improvement then yes, a 980 would be a strong contender.
 
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