OFFICIAL Fallout 4 (Discussion)

[BumbleBee]

it's fake

 

[Nailezs]

on the subject of the hypothesized new engine, what kind of power are we talking about (general estimate) to run this at max?

I have yet to play a game that tests my current rig

 

[BumbleBee]

you will find out more in a week or two. Bethesda probably won't release system requirements at E3 but i'm sure we will find out what super computer the on-stage demo is running on

 

[Vayra86]

This was posted on reddit 11 months ago by Sandra Reed who says she's an ex-employee of Bethesda. Most called her bluff way back then, but take a look at the roadmap she writes about, she was spot on about #1 so far:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/28v2dn/i_played_fallout_4

Wow. If I were Bethesda right now, I would have filed a suit for breaking the NDA. And I would also feel so very justified in firing this POS from the company.

Of course, it could be fake, but imagine what a major type of @ss you have to be to disclose this info out of spite, especially after being fired for leaking in the first place

 

[BumbleBee]

look.. I have a crystal ball too, okay?

 

[Vayra86]

Well that crystal ball does confirm that EA is going to milk, and milk... and milk.

Don't really need a crystal ball for that, just common sense

 

[BumbleBee]

everybody knows Mass Effect 4 will be released by April 2016. you can find out a lot in Fiscal reports and Twitter

in other news I guess EA dropped Tiger Woods lol

 

[Nailezs]

^ i lol'd at the same time that I was like "MASS EFFECT 4!!" in my mind

 

[BumbleBee]

just an FYI about Non-Disclosure Agreements.

Jeff was talking about this a couple weeks ago on the Giant Bombcast. basically when you break NDA you get an email saying what an asshole you are from some PR guy and probably not going to send you anymore codes lol

hes never heard of anybody getting sued in like 20+ years covering games.

 

[Batou1986]

Engine looks the same to me with the addition of better lighting and textures, animations and models still look subpar just like skyrim.
I have a feeling this will just be the skyrim engine with a directx 11 render.
The way the detail and grass fades in the distance is a dead giveaway as well a the wires, tho I would love for bethesda to prove me wrong.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

If this game uses Gamebryo its likely the newest version, which Skyrim did not use obviously.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Engine looks the same to me with the addition of better lighting and textures, animations and models still look subpar just like skyrim.
I have a feeling this will just be the skyrim engine with a directx 11 render.
The way the detail and grass fades in the distance is a dead giveaway as well a the wires, tho I would love for bethesda to prove me wrong.

Thing is, and I just thought of this, I hope they have fundamentaly changed the engine. The reason is, even wth LAA fix, it was limited to 3.1GB of RAM in Syrim. The biggest impact of that was that it limited the amount of and /or intensity of graphical mods, since that engine was so poor, for every 100MB of Textures loaded in VRAM, a corresponding 80MB was loaded in system RAM. This is why you'd get so many crashes with alot of intense textures, even if you had no dedicated mods, for instance. If there is no fundamental change, it will limit what can be done here.

 

[BumbleBee]

I just want native 120/144hz support!!!!!!!

edit: and for puck sakes using more than 2GB of my memory would be nice too lol

 

[AsRock]

Engine looks the same to me with the addition of better lighting and textures, animations and models still look subpar just like skyrim.
I have a feeling this will just be the skyrim engine with a directx 11 render.
The way the detail and grass fades in the distance is a dead giveaway as well a the wires, tho I would love for bethesda to prove me wrong.

TBH, i don't care i could not get enough of FO3 or FONV, so even if they made a FO4 with the same graphics i would not give a dam.

People bitch to much these days and no wounder we cannot get games we love because people asking to much in a short time.

 

[BiggieShady]

+1 for pure awesome on that Vinyl idea. Send it in!

Gotta admit I stole it from Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag, so you have my blessing to send it in.

 

[rtwjunkie]

TBH, i don't care i could not get enough of FO3 or FONV, so even if they made a FO4 with the same graphics i would not give a dam.

People bitch to much these days and no wounder we cannot get games we love because people asking to much in a short time.

I know I bitch when games come out in too short a time. I want developers to take ALL the time they need!

 

[Batou1986]

If this game uses Gamebryo its likely the newest version, which Skyrim did not use obviously.

http://peter.corrosivetruths.org/2011/12/21/is-skyrims-creation-just-gamebryo/
IMO Bethesda bought out code from gamebryo to make their engine

 

[Frag_Maniac]

No, VATS is what makes the connection with Fallout 1 and 2 combat mechanics and using it is a great incentive to see gory finishers ... I liked it that way. It's not like they can't improve shooting mechanics and keep VATS also.

I agree with Bee, VATS seems to be "a cheap way to make bad shooting bearable", and I'm sorry but it doesn't suffice to do that for me, and many others I've seen complain about the combat. What it does is take away the shooting and supplant it with a cheesy paint by numbers killing system, where you literally play God.

Let's not get hung up on RPG vs Shooter, it doesn't have to play like a Shooter just because the combat is refined. What makes an RPG an RPG has zero to do with combat. There are plenty of RPGs with MUCH better shooting mechanics, in fact MOST have better. FO 3&4 are probably in the 10% range when it comes to quality of combat.

A LOT of RPGs put you in a desperate setting involving conflict. Does their being an RPG automatically mean the combat system has to be dysfunctional? I don't think so, it's moronic.

 

[BiggieShady]

What it does is take away the shooting and supplant it with a cheesy paint by numbers killing system, where you literally play God.

You can't play with VATS constantly, it costs action points. So it doesn't supplant, rather supplement. Look at it as a strategic interface for use with overwhelming number of enemies. It's similar to slo-mo execution mode in spinter cell games, you don't have to use it if you like your game being harder.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Looks like id tech the more i look at pictures. The shack just screams Id tech. looks like something from RAGE.

 

[Batou1986]

Looks like id tech the more i look at pictures. The shack just screams Id tech. looks like something from RAGE.

That's the thing that gets me the pictures look substantially different than the video

 

[Octopuss]

How can you tell what kind of engine it is by looking at textures? That's compeletely irrelevant to an engine.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

How can you tell what kind of engine it is by looking at textures? That's compeletely irrelevant to an engine.

Lighting...

 

[Batou1986]

How can you tell what kind of engine it is by looking at textures? That's compeletely irrelevant to an engine.

Because different engines have different texture rendering techniques and abilitys that can be distinguished visually.
Simply put if you use the same 4096 base texture in 3 different engines say unreal, cryengine, gamebryo it will look different in each one.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

You can't play with VATS constantly, it costs action points. So it doesn't supplant, rather supplement. Look at it as a strategic interface for use with overwhelming number of enemies. It's similar to slo-mo execution mode in spinter cell games, you don't have to use it if you like your game being harder.

Yeah, well, that may sound like a full description to you, but it really isn't. The reality is the shooting mechanics are so bad, and ammo so scarce, that most rely on VATS for tougher battles, and amass points specifically for that. That adds up to a flawed system overall in my book.