Now knowing the performance of Fury X, what would you choose?

Vayra86 · Jun 25, 2015

Aquinus said:
Side note: Does anyone remember when you could overclock the Core domain separate from the shader domain on nVidia GPUs (last one I had that could do that was a GeForce 8600 GTS.) It's too bad you can't just overclock certain parts of the GPU like the ROPs, the shaders, or the cache. This is a complaint for both camps IMHO. With that said, it would clearly be highly architecture dependent.

Same thing happened with CPU overclocking, we lost control over pretty much everything except multiplier and turbo with Intel, due to integration of more and more components on the cpu die itself. Can't really say it's a complaint for me, simplification also makes overclocking more accessible.

the54thvoid · Jun 25, 2015

Ferrum Master said:
That's why it is more than shady... external supply board and go on... if your luck is bad and the sucker doesn't clock even David Hasselhoff himself won't help you for sure. Yes naturally you can order a custom block, but the overall price won't justify it. If one goes for records, cherry picking in the store is always an essential start of the venture.

Well CCC clocking has always been buggy actually and gave worse results from my experience, some drivers even broke it in funny ways, I bet the transition states driving VRM and reading the voltage table causes that... We will see first custom partner cards, and then we will continue AMD rape fest further, at least with more confidence and arguments.

It's not shady. It's clearly sold to the crazy over clocking enthusiasts, of which I am not. I'm attracted to the TDP 'kill switch'.
These products, like the Kingpin cards are not for simply gaming. It's a gamble to buy but with some skill you can get great OC results.
You don't overclock then hell, get a Fury X or a 980ti. Those are now the top dogs.

erixx · Jun 25, 2015

without screen size (4K, blablabla) this poll makes no sense at all.
Image quality is about the same with any of those cards, it is just a performance/money drama. It is like asking wat car is better!!!

v12dock · Jun 25, 2015

GhostRyder said:
Which one did you get (Not that it matter much but I am just curious)?

Same Question, which one did you buy and what made you change your mind.

XFX, I almost bought the 980ti but I just can't get excited for Nvidia Cards and one was in stock. Also I figure the driver support are pretty awful for the Fury X right now so I'm anticipating a 5%-10% performance improvement in the next 6-12 Months. Unfortunately FedEx bumped delivery to tomorrow, it didn't ship until 9:30 last night.

the54thvoid · Jun 25, 2015

erixx said:
without screen size (4K, blablabla) this poll makes no sense at all.
Image quality is about the same with any of those cards, it is just a performance/money drama. It is like asking wat car is better!!!

Obviously the one with go faster stripes.

OneMoar · Jun 25, 2015

the54thvoid said:
It's not shady. It's clearly sold to the crazy over clocking enthusiasts, of which I am not. I'm attracted to the TDP 'kill switch'.
These products, like the Kingpin cards are not for simply gaming. It's a gamble to buy but with some skill you can get great OC results.
You don't overclock then hell, get a Fury X or a 980ti. Those are now the top dogs.

>associating gaming performance with the "ability" to overclock
gone gone gone are the days where you could take a 4850 and overclock it to 4870 performance that just doesn't happen anymoar
the performance gap between "price-tiers" now a days is massive
you are not going to take a 290x and overclock it to FuryX speeds or even close ...
the furyX is for 4K and beyond ... its one advantage is that 512GB/s memory bandwidth something you can not leverage at anything less then 2K _)unless you are using VSR Or a shitton of MSAA)

RejZoR · Jun 25, 2015

Erm, except you could turn HD5850 into HD5870, HD6950 into HD6970 and HD7950 into HD7970 just by overclocking them. Yeah, I had all of the mentioned cards and overclocked all of them so far they matched their faster brothers (in some cases even exceeded them)...

bpgt64 · Jun 25, 2015

Ehh...how many of these can you crossfire together? and water cool? cause there single slot? That to me is the biggest achievement.

Steevo · Jun 25, 2015

980Ti beats the Titan X in most cases.

AMD/ATI have had a longer standing following of tweaker-tuner-modders than Nvidia. Hell look at the original Omega drivers, turned a 7000 into a 7500.

This is a moot point though, at the end of the day ATI/AMD have had a poor record of vaporware in software and some hardware, and I have been using them for the majority of my personal hardware and hundreds of builds since the early days. They put their eggs in the wrong (Tonga) basket this time around, and their crystal ball was cloudy. They have two options, get driver fixes out for this card, and make damn sure the retail cards get a performance bump, or lose another round of profit due to overenthusiastic dreams.

If they released a Tahiti or Hawaii chip with double the resources, as the 295X shows, they would have won, and without the power draw of double the DDR5, and the bridge chip it still would have won. But they didn't. They could have easily mopped the floor with that, they could have put a gap between two parts of the card and completely turned off one half during light gaming or when FPS were over 120, they could have cut the UVD out and put it on separate real estate and kept unloaded power consumption at 20W but they didn't.

Aquinus · Jun 25, 2015

It's too bad that there isn't a GDDR5 variant of Fiji. I'm curious how much HBM actually contributes to performance, if at all.

The one thing I will say for the Fury X, at least they managed to improve the multi-monitor idle usage which is nice as it's now also the same as the single monitor idle usage. I found that very intriguing.

SASBehrooz · Jun 25, 2015

Still GTX 970.
Always buy price point video cards and save your money.

RejZoR · Jun 25, 2015

Anyone knows when vanilla air cooled R9 Fury is suppose to be released? I know I've seen it somewhere but forgot. Only R9 Nano is announced, but no date given...

MrGenius · Jun 25, 2015

the54thvoid said:
I think you will find this Maxwell core is quite operational... your faith in AMD is your weakness. (seeing as NV is the dark side for you )

We both know how "well" that goes for your "fully operational" Maxwell core. (seeing as you missed the moral of the story

)

Little guy smokes the big guy = I win

Thank you...and good night!

johnspack · Jun 25, 2015

I would pick 970, but at 450-475can after taxes and shipping, I'll wait for used ones. Jeez, midrange card at what used to be high end card prices.

the54thvoid · Jun 25, 2015

MrGenius said:
We both know how "well" that goes for your "fully operational" Maxwell core. (seeing as you missed the moral of the story )

Little guy smokes the big guy = I win

Thank you...and good night!

Lol, My good sir I doth my hat to thee - "you have me now" would be my appropriate quote.

But as Ben Kinobi said, "who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows?"

; )

Jborg · Jun 25, 2015

johnspack said:
I would pick 970, but at 450-475can after taxes and shipping, I'll wait for used ones. Jeez, midrange card at what used to be high end card prices.

450$ for a GTX 970 is high.... Is that the price in Canada?

They are on Newegg for 340$, and Ive seen used ones here on the forums for sub-300$ price.

johnspack · Jun 25, 2015

Yeah, that's after taxes and shipping from ncix. Haven't found one yet for under 400can before taxes ect.... pricey dam things.

Jborg · Jun 25, 2015

johnspack said:
Yeah, that's after taxes and shipping from ncix. Haven't found one yet for under 400can before taxes ect.... pricey dam things.

Theres a deal for ya...

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gigabyte-gtx970-gaming-g1-gpu-2-available.213370/

FreedomEclipse · Jun 25, 2015

Frag Maniac said:
Not likely to happen anytime soon, esp now that Fury X is being shown to not be able to beat it. It's no doubt why Nvidia chose to release their top shelf Ti version sooner than usual.

Anyone know when 980 Ti aftermarket cooled cards will be out btw? Still seeing just the reference ones.

Anyway, I envy the guys getting sent free samples of them, reference or not. I was just musing over the fact that two 980 Tis would cost more than I paid for both my dental crowns!

I have 970s in sli, trust me when i say i can wait for prices to drop

buildzoid · Jun 25, 2015

I think AMD royally screwed something software side with the Fury X so I'm just going to wait fro 15.7 or 15.8 drivers before I do anything. ATM I have this and it kicks ass.

xkm1948 · Jun 25, 2015

RejZoR said:
Anyone knows when vanilla air cooled R9 Fury is suppose to be released? I know I've seen it somewhere but forgot. Only R9 Nano is announced, but no date given...

You should totally get a Fury X man. I entertained the thought of having a 980ti
Briefly before finally settled for fury X.

Batou1986 · Jun 25, 2015

GreiverBlade said:
sorry but WHAT? you compare Fury X to bulldozer???

Aquinus said:
I suspect this is another case of AMD optimizing for good performance on one measure that isn't what the majority of the market wants. It's kind of like how AMD thought that going with "moar cores" was going to solve the performance problem and it didn't.

Loosenut · Jun 25, 2015

Jborg said:
Theres a deal for ya...

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gigabyte-gtx970-gaming-g1-gpu-2-available.213370/

Seller only ships in the US.

GreiverBlade · Jun 25, 2015

Batou1986 said:

sorry but nope.

bulldozer was a failure, yes, the fury line is not ... the perf are here and it compete in her price range the Titan X performances are not relevant to say the Fury is a failure. (price to price and perf to perf.)

the comparison is off.

Loosenut said:
Seller only ships in the US.

luckily ... you have a 290 ... why would you get a 970 :roll:

get a 980Ti at last and make it worth it.

ok on a 400$ price range better check a 290X or a 390X

i also have a 290 and as i wrote previously nothing is a upgrade unless 980Ti Fury line (waiting on Nano and vanilla reviews ) and Titan X (if i did won the lottery ... but i would still take a 980Ti SLI or a Fury X CFX over a Titanics... oh again ... Titan X sorry )

Steevo · Jun 25, 2015

GreiverBlade said:
sorry but nope.

bulldozer was a failure, yes, the fury line is not ... the perf are here and it compete in her price range the Titan X performances are not relevant to say the Fury is a failure. (price to price and perf to perf.)

the comparison is off.

luckily ... you have a 290 ... why would you get a 970 get a 980Ti at last and make it worth it.

ok on a 400$ price range better check a 290X or a 390X

i also have a 290 and as i wrote previously nothing is a upgrade unless 980Ti Fury line (waiting on Nano and vanilla reviews ) and Titan X (if i did won the lottery ... but i would still take a 980Ti SLI or a Fury X CFX over a Titanics... oh again ... Titan X sorry )

Fury is a failure in efficiency compared to prior generations, and compared to the 295X.

Tahiti 7970/280X was faster per clock and per shader than Tonga. We knew this when the 285 came out and was tested, it was a mediocre card then and it still is now.
They doubled the lower performing hardware to make a card that is 20% slower than it should have been. In what world does that make sense? Its like making a crappy dinner and then eating twice as much to make up for it being crappy. Its like strapping two Yugo cars together for twice the power.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/31.html

The 295X is 24% faster in 4K despite being a dual GPU card.
The 280X is 40% slower with half the GPU resources and 1Gb less VMEM at 1080P and its OLD!
The 390X is 13% slower at 1080P
The 285X is 46% slower at 1080P

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Now knowing the performance of Fury X, what would you choose?

Now knowing the performance of Fury X, what would you choose?

980 Ti

Fury X

980

970

390X

280X,280,270 960 and all other cards

potato, i am not buying anything!

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