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Advice: GTX 970 SLI or 980TI or Fury X

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Sli works very well, I've done it with many generations of nvidia cards. Just get 2 970s. Unless you are at 4k. Then just don't bother for now, even 2 titans are a waste. Sorry, I only like ultra settings.....
 
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eventually I went for another GTX970 because Im also a techno freak I wanted to get as much power as I can for as little money as possible, GTX970SLI is faster then Titan X and it only cost me 530USD for additional GTX970 and I dont need to look for a buyer for my old GTX970. Easiest solution....
Well, me being the most unlucky person on the planet after I returned home with the GTX970 i remembered to check what sort of motherboard I have and I have H97 mobo with CF only.

But, since August near, ill be doing a full Skylakeupgrade, getting a new motherboard Gigabyte is going to release a z170 mobo with Creative ZxR chip on board, 10SATA, x3 SATA express, some new overclock chip, USB3.1 and excellent layout

Multi-GPU has always proven to be faster and cheaper at expense of some extra heat and power consumption. But when it works. Problem is, when it doesn't, you're gimped like there is no tomorrow. I admit, NVIDIA is more responsive in this regard than AMD, but you still depend on stupid SLI profiles and that's crap. After looking at TPU GTX980Ti and R9 Fury X tests, the winner was R9-295X2 really. It outperformed everything in charts by almost 50% in most cases and costs less than both GTX 980Ti and FuryX. I don't care about the power draw and it's water cooled anyway, but what bothered me the most was the fact its multi-GPU (two R9-290's on one PCB)...
 
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Or wait til Fury air cooled version on July 14th for cheaper price and similar performance of a Fury X, and Crossfire them. The fury might be slower than Nvidia, but AMD's crossfire scales way better than Nvidia's SLI. So if you put AMD's xfire Fury vs 980 SLI, the gap closes by a pretty big margin. Moreover, AMD's cards age way better (I'm still rocking my 7970 crossfire). I recently hear ppl talk about Nvidia crippling the 780 Ti's and they seem to be slower than GTX 970 in the new games (780ti should to be a bit faster than 970, but slower than 980). Nvidia seemed to have fixed the issue with their latest drivers, but who knows what happens on their next driver. I was eyeing on the 980ti's but afraid they may be crippled by next year when the next gen comes out just like what happened to the 780 ti's. Btw, if you look at many 970/980 reviews, the 780ti's are slower than 970 in many cases.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
AMD's crossfire scales way better than Nvidia's SLI.
Does it? Define 'WAY' please...

I say this because results are ALL OVER THE MAP on multi GPU performance, so to confidently pick a clear winner is a bit curious considering the available facts. Got any links I can read?



Understand the 780 series is a refresh of the 6 series (Kepler cores). So I would look at support from that perspective and not the release date of the 7 series... I still think improvements should come for a couple of years, but, let's not be dramatic and think support will stop for a one year old card. ;)
 
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling-bottleneck,3471-3.html

plz look at the intel cpu one. You should be able to search online for benchmark for the current gen or previous gen somewhere and calculate the percentage boost before and after SLI vs Xfire :)

Just find any SLI review and calculate the percentage vs Crossfire review of any AMD card. AMD is around 90-99% scaling up to CPU bottleneck in several games vs approx 70-90% on Nvidia
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Funny Moo, that was the article I looked at before I posted to you... :p

Scaling varies DRAMATICALLY from game to game, resolution and in game settings. That said, blanket statements aren't useful here ("close to 100% scaling"). It may be better, but WAY better, I would disagree. Here is what I see from that site (5760x1080 results with highest settings Intel CPUs only)...

AVP:
N: 27.5->52.2 =89.8%
A: 34.2-> 67.6 = 97.6%
AMD by ~8%

BF3:
N: 34-> 63.9 = 87.9%
A: 33.8->67.2 = 98.8%
AMD by ~11%

F1:
N: 66->111 = 45%
A: 73->104 = 42%
Nvidia by 3%

Oblivion:
N: 47.4-> 85.6 = 80.5%
A: 57.7->95.8 = 66%
Nvidia by ~15%

Metro:
N: 15.3-> 29.0 = 89.5%
A: 18.3-> 31.7 = 73.2%
Nvidia by ~16%

That is 3-2 for Nvidia... and its clear in these games at the settings they chose, it averages better scaling. You should also be able to see that in only TWO instances (of 10) are things "close" to 100%. I would imagine my initial assertion to be more accurate.


Again, scaling varies by leaps and bounds depending. AMD is NOT consistently sitting at "close to 100%". SOME titles may show that, but the vast majority, both SLI and CFx, show around 60-80% scaling with exceptions below and above. Things may have gotten better with the new generation... but they still aren't consistently close to 100%...

I apologize for being so pedantic.
 
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Depends on res and what version of 980 Ti you're comparing.

If you plan to go 4K, or are just using 4K VSR, the Giga 980 Ti G1 can almost double a 970 in performance on some games at 4K. Plus at 6GB it has a much better hi res VRAM going forward. There are a few games the 970 struggles with on VRAM even at 1080p.

The Fury X doesn't compete with a 980 Ti except at 4K, and even then, you have to fiddle with the rad/fan and hoses.

The Giga 980 Ti G1 costs $690, but appears to be well worth it. The ASUS Strix 980 Ti with the new DCU III tri fan cooler might be comparable, but is not available most places yet, and I would trust Giga's support over ASUS.
 
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Does it? Define 'WAY' please...

I say this because results are ALL OVER THE MAP on multi GPU performance, so to confidently pick a clear winner is a bit curious considering the available facts. Got any links I can read?



Understand the 780 series is a refresh of the 6 series (Maxwell cores). So I would look at support from that perspective and not the release date of the 7 series... I still think improvements should come for a couple of years, but, let's not be dramatic and think support will stop for a one year old card. ;)


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Too late :)I got the GTX970.
Actually they had Fury X, I could buy it on the spot, but decided to go with the SLI and Im getting scared of AMD, looking how most devs go with Nvidia middle-ware these days

Good, then tell us how it's working out for you?
 
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Funny Moo, that was the article I looked at before I posted to you... :p

Scaling varies DRAMATICALLY from game to game, resolution and in game settings. That said, blanket statements aren't useful here ("close to 100% scaling"). It may be better, but WAY better, I would disagree. Here is what I see from that site (5760x1080 results with highest settings Intel CPUs only)...

AVP:
N: 27.5->52.2 =89.8%
A: 34.2-> 67.6 = 97.6%
AMD by ~8%

BF3:
N: 34-> 63.9 = 87.9%
A: 33.8->67.2 = 98.8%
AMD by ~11%

F1:
N: 66->111 = 45%
A: 73->104 = 42%
Nvidia by 3%

Oblivion:
N: 47.4-> 85.6 = 80.5%
A: 57.7->95.8 = 66%
Nvidia by ~15%

Metro:
N: 15.3-> 29.0 = 89.5%
A: 18.3-> 31.7 = 73.2%
Nvidia by ~16%

That is 3-2 for Nvidia... and its clear in these games at the settings they chose, it averages better scaling. You should also be able to see that in only TWO instances (of 10) are things "close" to 100%. I would imagine my initial assertion to be more accurate.


Again, scaling varies by leaps and bounds depending. AMD is NOT consistently sitting at "close to 100%". SOME titles may show that, but the vast majority, both SLI and CFx, show around 60-80% scaling with exceptions below and above. Things may have gotten better with the new generation... but they still aren't consistently close to 100%...

I apologize for being so pedantic.

Here are 20 games from TPU forum...

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...780ti-780-290x-290-x-dual-triple-quad.195818/

I do apologize the claim of Crossfire scaling 100% isn't valid on most cases, but it does apply on certain games, but Nvidia does reach 100% too, but overall the link speaks for itself.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Great link. Best ive seen as far as beikg comprehensive!

Its too bad .1% it's done at 4k where hardly anyone plays though. The nvidia cards used choke at 4k, particularly with AA on due to it's 3gb vram versus 4gb for amd cards. I'd like to see those same tests with the 980/titan/980ti and see how scaling stacks up then. ;)

That said, the results were pretty close... a lot closer than your post said.
 
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Hi,
right now I have a Single Asus Strix GTX 970, based on past benchmarks a pre-overclocked 970SLI is equal or faster then R9 295X2 (im comparing to this one because unlike GTX970 SLI, the 295X2 appears in every benchmark across most web sites, so its easier to compare)

Looks like 295x2 is faster then 980ti and Fury X, means that if ill get another 970 it will be both faster and cheaper then selling my old one and getting 980Ti or furyX?

I have a 2560x1440 Sasmung monitor that I rarely game on, only when im too lazy to turn on the TV, but i prefer to game on big screen LED which is only FHD so thats my target resolution, FHD with x4 or x6 AA or 4K DSR.

And I will defiantly be getting either Valve HTC Vive or OculusVR, so I need to know if SLI is OK for VR, maybe VR is best on a single card? I have no idea.


Basically what should I do, if i want to skip upgrading in 2016, should I get another 970 or sell mine and get 980Ti or Fury X?

Thanks
Hey mate,

I suggest going for GTX 970 SLI. My wife is using this setup on a ASUS PG278Q ROG Swift 27in 144Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor 2560 x 1440 (16:9). Both 970's are running at 1400 on the core and they smash any game.

Not sure about the Valve HTC Vive or OculusVR SLI compatibility though. Maybe send NVidia an email.

All the best.
 
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Hey mate,

I suggest going for GTX 970 SLI. My wife is using this setup on a ASUS PG278Q ROG Swift 27in 144Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor 2560 x 1440 (16:9). Both 970's are running at 1400 on the core and they smash any game.

Not sure about the Valve HTC Vive or OculusVR SLI compatibility though. Maybe send NVidia an email.

All the best.

1400Mhz is the boosted clock or before boost?

my Asus STRIX works on 1300Mhz/1230mV before boost
when i set it to 1350Mhz i have to increase minimum mV to 1175mV and maximum to 1213mV to work properly
1400Mhz hangs, maybe i need to increase the mV even more dunno because in boost mode it goes to 1500Mhz

Im using asus GPU utility, now they released a new version and it sucks, it locks the minimum mV to the clock, you cant increase them separately
going to the old version soon
 
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1400Mhz is the boosted clock or before boost?

my Asus STRIX works on 1300Mhz/1230mV before boost
when i set it to 1350Mhz i have to increase minimum mV to 1175mV and maximum to 1213mV to work properly
1400Mhz hangs, maybe i need to increase the mV even more dunno because in boost mode it goes to 1500Mhz

Im using asus GPU utility, now they released a new version and it sucks, it locks the minimum mV to the clock, you cant increase them separately
going to the old version soon

Hey, she' using custom bios that have 3d clocks locked at 1400 constantly. Not very power efficient i know :laugh:. I think her voltage is set to 1256 or thereabouts. She's got the G1 gaming models. Sorry I can't help you with the Asus gpu utility iv'e never used it. I'll have a look around for the bios editing tool if it interests you and post the link here.

Edit. Here we go http://www.overclock.net/t/1517316/...d-980-firmware-zosons-h2o-and-air-custom-bios
 
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Good, then tell us how it's working out for you?

LOL not working, im an idiot, i have CF mobo :(
BUT im ready for Skylake, going to do a massive update
 
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Hey, she' using custom bios that have 3d clocks locked at 1400 constantly. Not very power efficient i know :laugh:. I think her voltage is set to 1256 or thereabouts. She's got the G1 gaming models. Sorry I can't help you with the Asus gpu utility iv'e never used it. I'll have a look around for the bios editing tool if it interests you and post the link here.

Edit. Here we go http://www.overclock.net/t/1517316/...d-980-firmware-zosons-h2o-and-air-custom-bios

BTW, is her GTX970 is of the silent kind or the fan is spinning non stop?
 
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BTW, is her GTX970 is of the silent kind or the fan is spinning non stop?

She's edited the baseline rpm for when she's not gaming so it's silent. You can edit the fan profiles in the bios editor. From memory you can do the same with Afterburner utility etc :)
 
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She's edited the baseline rpm for when she's not gaming so it's silent. You can edit the fan profiles in the bios editor. From memory you can do the same with Afterburner utility etc :)

I just asked because ASUS is silent by default, i mean the fan starts spinning when it gets to 60degress Celsius, otherwise its not spinning at all.
maybe its better for the overclock to let it always spin?
 
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I just asked because ASUS is silent by default, i mean the fan starts spinning when it gets to 60degress Celsius, otherwise its not spinning at all.
maybe its better for the overclock to let it always spin?
Yeh probably better for the case thermals overall :)
 
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I just asked because ASUS is silent by default, i mean the fan starts spinning when it gets to 60degress Celsius, otherwise its not spinning at all.
maybe its better for the overclock to let it always spin?
Well its more of a matter of opinion when it comes to this topic. When it comes to graphics cards and other components they will last longer the cooler they run. On the other hand when it comes to these cards the temps are low enough that its no where near a dangerous level which is why these cards with 0db exist.

My opinion is that I would rather have my card spinning at lower speeds than completely off when it comes down to it.
 
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