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And also, if I upgrade my legal copy of win7 to win10, can I go back? Will my license change to win10 only at that point, or can I go back to win7?

I think that's what the 30 day grace period is about.
 

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No, I already have a legal copy of win7 installed. If I upgrade it to win10, does my license stay at 10 or can I go back? If I convert, do I have to stay at win10? I hate wasting money.... and time....
Sorry, but MS's policies are that confusing to me. The legal activation version is the most confusing to me, what do they want? Can I then wipe out the 10 install, and do a clean install of 7 using my key again?
 

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No, I already have a legal copy of win7 installed. If I upgrade it to win10, does my license stay at 10 or can I go back? If I convert, do I have to stay at win10? I hate wasting money.... and time....
Sorry, but MS's policies are that confusing to me. The legal activation version is the most confusing to me, what do they want? Can I then wipe out the 10 install, and do a clean install of 7 using my key again?

That's what I mean. You have 30 days, then ... it becomes a Win10 license or something. Or it is invalidated. That's how I understood it anyway. Read back in the thread, it has been discussed.
 

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Uchhh... I'll run win7 for now. Just so much easier. I ran xp64 during the vista era, everyone told me it was better and faster than xp64, that was bs, xp64 is still screaming fast. Just uninformed people kept saying no drivers ect...
I never had a problem with drivers. Now it's win7 against bloated win10. And if you don't believe the backdoors are there.... alright.
And no, you can't turn them off unless you block them, just like skype, and all the other malware and spyware ms thrusts on us.
 

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And no, you can't turn them off unless you block them, just like skype, and all the other malware and spyware ms thrusts on us.
Meh. I have no problem giving them money to enable them to do it even more. I'd even let you look at my butthole.



:fear:

Seriously though, if you have a cellphone... you're doing it anyway. So whatever.





BTW... I don't own a cellphone.


In case you might ask. :p
 

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Skype is offered through windows update now. It's effectively part of the os too. I know how to block the skype crap, the win10 stuff scares me to be honest.

Fair enough. I just set it to not autolaunch. I also use no express settings whatsoever. I'm confident in my ability to limit W10's snooping.

And if you don't believe the backdoors are there.... alright.
And no, you can't turn them off unless you block them

On skype, perhaps not. Just don't run it. On the rest of the OS? Yeah, you can turn them off. That's been well established to work with wireshark and packet analysis.
 
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NEWSWEEK - Using Windows 10? Microsoft Is Watching

NEWSWEEK said:
Tucked away in the 45 pages’ worth of terms and conditions (effective August 1) is a substantial power grab: The company is collecting data on much of what you do while using its new software.

From the moment an account is created, Microsoft begins watching. The company saves customers’ basic information—name, contact details, passwords, demographic data and credit card specifics —but it also digs a bit deeper.

Other information Microsoft saves includes Bing search queries and conversations with the new digital personal assistant Cortana; contents of private communications such as email; websites and apps visited (including features accessed and length of time used); and contents of private folders. Furthermore, “your typed and handwritten words are collected,” the Privacy Statement says, which many online observers liken to a keylogger. Microsoft says they collect the information “to provide you a personalized user dictionary, help you type and write on your device with better character recognition, and provide you with text suggestions as you type or write.”

All this information doesn’t necessarily remain with just Microsoft. The company says it uses the data collected for three purposes: to provide and improve its services; to send customers personalized promotions; and to display targeted advertising, which sometimes requires the information be shared with third parties. Microsoft mentions that though it assigns each customer a unique advertising ID, which is fed data during computer usage, it “does not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you.” It makes no such promise for its other stated data collection purposes.
 
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Sigh. Give him a break. Newsweek? Like checking CNET for a review of the i7-4790K.

And plus, everything in that article regurgitates what Microsoft tells you on the first page after a Windows 10 installation. Obviously Cortana and page prediction would allow Microsoft to record your data. Obvious things are not so obvious to everyone, I guess.
 

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Wait a sec...MS policy has ALWAYS been that OEM license is tied to a single motherboard. However, I've had plenty of occasions in which I've transfered an OEM 7/8.1 license to another computer. Of course it wouldn't activate at first, but I just had to make a quick call to MS automated activation phone line and it would be sorted out.

Does this mean that I can't do that anymore? Or will they have a staffed service that helps people with broken motherboard -> upgrade scenarios? Or are they going to be THAT company and make you buy a new Windows if your motherboard breaks?

Not to worry about all that. THAT part has been made clear. On the upgrade, W10 becomes the equivalent of what you had. So, if you had an OEM, your W10 will be OEM with all accompanying rules and restrictions, officially.
 
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Sigh. Give him a break. Newsweek? Like checking CNET for a review of the i7-4790K.

And plus, everything in that article regurgitates what Microsoft tells you on the first page after a Windows 10 installation. Obviously Cortana and page prediction would allow Microsoft to record your data. Obvious things are not so obvious to everyone, I guess.

I think it's that a lot of people click "express setttings." I'm always paranoid of that button.
 
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So can anyone answer my question of is it going to be something i will have to try down the road? Question was, if I have to use the oem restore partition on the hdd of my laptop say after the 30 days, will the win 7 os still activate? Meaning can I reuse the factory restore to put the laptop back as it came from factory after the 30 days?
Also the win 8.1 key and os on my main rig, can I use it on another rig if I wanted to and will it activate if I upgrade my main to win 10?
 

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Actually, based on MS wording, you can't. But the wording is somewhat vague, so I think we're in the position of having to try it to be sure, after the 30 days from someone's upgrade is past.
 
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Actually, based on MS wording, you can't. But the wording is sonewhat vague, so I think we're in the position of having to try it to be sure, after the 30 days from someone's upgrade is past.
Are you saying that about both questions? just wondering?

I am still trying to decide if I want to upgrade my main rig to win and lose my Win 8.1 in the process or not. If I can upgrade and keep my Retail copy of win 8.1 I am okay with it.
 
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So can anyone answer my question of is it going to be something i will have to try down the road? Question was, if I have to use the oem restore partition on the hdd of my laptop say after the 30 days, will the win 7 os still activate? Meaning can I reuse the factory restore to put the laptop back as it came from factory after the 30 days?
Also the win 8.1 key and os on my main rig, can I use it on another rig if I wanted to and will it activate if I upgrade my main to win 10?


We will have to wait and see for the first question. I think your recovery partition will work fine and activate if you need to later. The second one No you cant move your OEM key to another PC after upgrading. That would violate the license
 

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Answering first question. But the second is similar. If in fact they are meaning what they say, your retail 8.1 if upgraded is "consumed" onto W10 as a retail, and after 30 days the 8.1 is gone.

I say wait, and let some dissatisfied people guinea pig it for you after 30 days. There's no real urgent reason to upgrade right now, and you still have over 11 and a half months left.
 
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We will have to wait and see for the first question. I think your recovery partition will work fine and activate if you need to later. The second one No you cant move your OEM key to another PC after upgrading. That would violate the license
@Jetster My win 8.1 key isn't Oem, it's a retail key. I bought it straight from Microsoft.

@rtwjunkie I just may have to do that and let someone else try it out before upgrading my Win 8 rig (Main). The first question was referring to My laptop with a win7 recovery partiton. The Second question was referring to my Main rig (Selene in my system specs) which was a scratch install of win 8.
 

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I'm more concerned about people calling an OS that lets you opt out of such things an OS with "back doors"

Seriously, you can turn 99% of that shit off by not using "express settings." I don't get all the worry.
Some people like back door action.
 

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At least those sheep will understand the difference between opinion and fact.
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